damn no monte ellis?!?!?!
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Being a die-hard Warrior fan I would love to see Monta make the team. The bottom line though is historically in order to make the reserve squad you must be on a winning team. Being the best player on a winning team always holds more weight than being a semi-star on a losing team. As a Warrior fan you shouldn't even be bad mad though, it's just part of the game.
Roy is better leader than Monta
Roy is a better ball handler
Roy is a better passer(5/2 ast/to ratio vs Monta's 5/4)
Roy is a better defender(although Monta has stepped his D up)
Roy is a proven consistant clutch player(Monta has had clutch moments but he's also had plenty brain dead plays at crucial times)
edit:now that I think about it the only clear advantage I see in Monta is that he's a more explosive scorer because of his quickness and ability to finish around the rim in a way very few can.
Roy is a better ball handler
Roy is a better passer(5/2 ast/to ratio vs Monta's 5/4)
Roy is a better defender(although Monta has stepped his D up)
Roy is a proven consistant clutch player(Monta has had clutch moments but he's also had plenty brain dead plays at crucial times)
edit:now that I think about it the only clear advantage I see in Monta is that he's a more explosive scorer because of his quickness and ability to finish around the rim in a way very few can.
I pretty think besides scoring (I say they are equal) that Roy does everything else better. He is a better outside shooter, better defender, better passer, unselfish, and is more versatile all around. Again I aint goin off stats because u have to look at the stats closely. Before this year Roy would win the stat battle anyway. But this year with Monta the main guy in GS and how they play offense he shoots whenever he feels like it so of course his scoring is way up. Dont get me wrong Monta is a baller, I just think Roy brings more to the table is all. I aint takin nuthin away from Monta though. Got Em!!
These types of answers are always interesting because you get to see how cats quantify certain abilities.
Leader, shmeader ... Monta plays for the worst organization in NBA. There's only so much you can do there, lol
I'll give Roy the ball handling ... for now. He's just more conservative with the ball which leads to less TOs which is what you'd come back at me with if I argue this point. His actual dribbling prowess isn't THAT great. He's not on Jamaal Crawford, CP3 or Steve Nash's level. He's just really careful with the ball.
I'm not saying you're right or wrong, but how you say Roy's a better passer strictly based on TO ratio is kind of odd. I could just as easily say Monta is a better passer based on him averaging more assists *shrugs*
How is Roy a better defender? What does he do on the defensive end as an individual that stands out? Nothing ...
Roy, given the opportunity has been able to hit some big shots (and some lucky ones), but so has Monta. The attention they get is different because the league has been pushing B-Roy since he's been in the league (just trust me on this one).
Name the brain dead plays Monta has made and I'm sure you can name some that B-Roy has made to go with them...
Leader, shmeader ... Monta plays for the worst organization in NBA. There's only so much you can do there, lol
I'll give Roy the ball handling ... for now. He's just more conservative with the ball which leads to less TOs which is what you'd come back at me with if I argue this point. His actual dribbling prowess isn't THAT great. He's not on Jamaal Crawford, CP3 or Steve Nash's level. He's just really careful with the ball.
I'm not saying you're right or wrong, but how you say Roy's a better passer strictly based on TO ratio is kind of odd. I could just as easily say Monta is a better passer based on him averaging more assists *shrugs*
How is Roy a better defender? What does he do on the defensive end as an individual that stands out? Nothing ...
Roy, given the opportunity has been able to hit some big shots (and some lucky ones), but so has Monta. The attention they get is different because the league has been pushing B-Roy since he's been in the league (just trust me on this one).
Name the brain dead plays Monta has made and I'm sure you can name some that B-Roy has made to go with them...
I'll ask you the same question I asked the other guy. What makes Roy a better defender? I know you guys can pull some general shit out of your asses for answers but when it comes time to really break shit down, I don't think you can.
Roy's more unselfish? For one, the way the offenses on both teams are set up are way different and it's Monta's responsibility to score. And ... Monta averages more assists, lol
Winning the stats battle doesn't mean only scoring though.
If you want to talk about before this year, ok: Monta hardly played last year because of the injury, but if you want to take it back to 07-08 where they both played the majority of the games, their numbers were pretty even. Monta had the slight edge in scoring and a big edge in overall FG% and Roy had the slight edge in assists and TOs. You also have to take into account that Roy was the main dude on his team and Monta was playing with BD, and Stack Jack. So your argument is bullshit (as usual).
I'm not saying Roy ISN'T a baller. I'm just saying when you compare him to other guys in the league, you'd be surprised at how unimpressive he looks.
@ MrFedEx ... HA! Youtube vids. Yeah that proves your point. Individual snapshots of "good" stuff, lol ... There's no bias in that at all
Roy's more unselfish? For one, the way the offenses on both teams are set up are way different and it's Monta's responsibility to score. And ... Monta averages more assists, lol
Winning the stats battle doesn't mean only scoring though.
If you want to talk about before this year, ok: Monta hardly played last year because of the injury, but if you want to take it back to 07-08 where they both played the majority of the games, their numbers were pretty even. Monta had the slight edge in scoring and a big edge in overall FG% and Roy had the slight edge in assists and TOs. You also have to take into account that Roy was the main dude on his team and Monta was playing with BD, and Stack Jack. So your argument is bullshit (as usual).
I'm not saying Roy ISN'T a baller. I'm just saying when you compare him to other guys in the league, you'd be surprised at how unimpressive he looks.
@ MrFedEx ... HA! Youtube vids. Yeah that proves your point. Individual snapshots of "good" stuff, lol ... There's no bias in that at all
Whats your point. Baron Davis came to a shitty W's team and was a vocal leader on and off the court from the start. Coming to the W's didn't hurt his leadership qualities at all, he was a natural born leader from the start and also much more clutch than Monta. His problem was/is staying focused on basketball consistantly.
Im not saying Roy is a better passer strictly based on TO ratio..I was just using it to support my arguement. Monta only average .6 more assists than Roy, wow.
Well he's got a size and strength advantage which makes him more versatile.
Huh? not sure what your point is...
LOL who cares. Point is Roy's clutch/brain dead play ratio is much better than Monta's when the game is on the line.
Watch more games...
Im not saying Roy is a better passer strictly based on TO ratio..I was just using it to support my arguement. Monta only average .6 more assists than Roy, wow.
Well he's got a size and strength advantage which makes him more versatile.
Huh? not sure what your point is...
LOL who cares. Point is Roy's clutch/brain dead play ratio is much better than Monta's when the game is on the line.
Watch more games...
And also, mr peete. I respect ur opinion and keeping it a "professional" debate but at the end of the day....
Some will say monta is the better player...
Some will say Roy is the better player...
Either way, REGARDLESS of who's better etc etc. Both players are dope as fuck. They play 2 diff styles of bball as well.
Also, I'm a huggggeeee monta fan so my opinion ain't bias towards Roy.
Some will say monta is the better player...
Some will say Roy is the better player...
Either way, REGARDLESS of who's better etc etc. Both players are dope as fuck. They play 2 diff styles of bball as well.
Also, I'm a huggggeeee monta fan so my opinion ain't bias towards Roy.
And ... your point is what?
I "firmly believe" what I believe and I can articulate why I feel that way. Nothing wrong with that. The thing is, no one else is clearly "explaining" anything. That's the difference. Mufuckas just use, "because I said so" as their reasoning. Or they'll use numbers, then complain when someone uses the numbers in a better way.
These threads are discussions yo. Mufuckas WILL go back and forth. Then someone will eventually tap out when they can't come back anymore. Don't read the shit if you don't like it.
I "firmly believe" what I believe and I can articulate why I feel that way. Nothing wrong with that. The thing is, no one else is clearly "explaining" anything. That's the difference. Mufuckas just use, "because I said so" as their reasoning. Or they'll use numbers, then complain when someone uses the numbers in a better way.
These threads are discussions yo. Mufuckas WILL go back and forth. Then someone will eventually tap out when they can't come back anymore. Don't read the shit if you don't like it.
And if I do explain why Roy is the better player... Ur gonna break it down post by post. Sayin this n that. I'm wrong ur right. Disagree everything. Which is fine wit me but I don't really give a fuck. Nor do i care to explain why cuz at the end of the day, ur STILL gonna say monta is better.
U stand to believe monta is better. Good shit. Do u. Not knocking u whatsoever.
We all entitled to our own opinion. And no one is gonna change that.
U stand to believe monta is better. Good shit. Do u. Not knocking u whatsoever.
We all entitled to our own opinion. And no one is gonna change that.
