49ers Offensive Coordinator Jimmy Raye Fired!

[FATAL NYGHTMARE]

I'm probably in the minority, but I don't think the root of our problem was at QB. Alex has the tools and the weapons. This is still his make it or break it year, IMO...so I'd at least want to give him that before throwing him under the bus again.


Its a team game, even though I know the easiest thing to do is to just blame it all on the QB. Comes with the territory, but most of the INT's he's thrown this year have been to Crabs. Tipped balls and wrong routes, have more to do with Crabtree still having to play catchup, than Alex's fault.

Most of those INT's to Crabtree were a result of Smith forcing it to him because he doesn't know how to look for his 2nd and 3rd options when his first read isn't there - especially if there is any hint of pressure by the defense. Good QBs always go to their 2nd, 3rd and 4th options even with pressure on them. Smith can't even do it without pressure. Not to mention many of the throws that he forced to Crabtree were poor throws to begin with.

Alex has thrown 1 INT that wasn't his fault. The rest were bad throws or bad decisions.

 

[NAMO]

he doesn't seem to have faith to stay inside the pocket for long either, that is a part of his game I don't like

 

[Tony]

Naaa, I don't blame Alex Smith. He has shown us what he can do and what he's capable of last Monday night against the Saints. Canning Jimmy Raye is Singletary's way of using someone as a scapegoat instead of taking responsibility. He let head coaching go to his head. How do you fire Mike Martz and then go to Jimmy Raye? Jimmy was Singletary's choice of hire if I'm not mistaken and the offense was being run just like Mike wanted (run oriented). Now things are going wrong and he needs someone to blame.

 

[ayo4yayo]

Most of those INT's to Crabtree were a result of Smith forcing it to him because he doesn't know how to look for his 2nd and 3rd options when his first read isn't there - especially if there is any hint of pressure by the defense. Good QBs always go to their 2nd, 3rd and 4th options even with pressure on them. Smith can't even do it without pressure. Not to mention many of the throws that he forced to Crabtree were poor throws to begin with.

Alex has thrown 1 INT that wasn't his fault. The rest were bad throws or bad decisions.

Nah some of those INTs were crabs fault. Route running, slipping and falling. That's what happens when you bitch and complain about your first training camp, getting injured and unable to play pre-season games.

 

[NAMO]

Naaa, I don't blame Alex Smith. He has shown us what he can do and what he's capable of last Monday night against the Saints.

he's inconsistent though

 

[MOREBASS]

I'm wondering now though, does the entire offensive philosophy change?

 

[Tony]

Yeah the Crab and Smith connection problem is due to chemistry issues..... Crab didn't play in pre-season so I think it's having an affect in their chemistry.

 

[Tony]

he's inconsistent though

Yeah he is but Smith is better when they spread the ball out..... they ran that type of offense pretty good last year. Don't know why they haven't tried it. Smith is most effective in spread formations. Singletary should've of said or instructed the offense to go to the spread.

 

[9erfitted]

first nellie now this guy..

yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

 

[Artistic]

the niners need to throw the fucking ball downfield to open up the running game

 

[FATAL NYGHTMARE]

Nah some of those INTs were crabs fault. Route running, slipping and falling. That's what happens when you bitch and complain about your first training camp, getting injured and unable to play pre-season games.

I don't recall any INT occurring when Crabtree slipped or ran a wrong route. Everyone thought he ran the wrong route when Alex overthrew him in Seattle, but Singletary said he didn't and it was Alex's error. Every single pass to Crabtree that was intercepted was a shitty throw. ALL OF THEM. He throws into double-coverage, forcing it to Crabtree and it gets intercepted. You can't blame Crabtree for that shit. Alex needs to learn how to scan for other options. Plain and simple. When Crabtree is the intended target and the play is not there, Alex doesn't go through his progressions or even wait for Crabtree's route to develop, he throws it like a timing route and forces it. He also has no touch on his passes and every time Crabtree does make a catch it looks fantastic because Alex rockets it to him and it's always off-target. Blame it on whatever you want; Crabtree being hurt and not practicing or Crabtree missing the preseason, it really doesn't matter, it's Alex's passes that are fucked up and it's not just his throws to Crabtree. He's worked with Gore his entire career and still can't get a clean pass to him underneath.

@ Tony, I agree Singletary is trying to save his job with this move, but it is the right move and should have been done last year. Running the offense the way Singletary wants it run doesn't mean you have to call Dive Right, Dive Left, Shotgun Draw, Punt. Raye is too damn predictable. Chiefs players were calling the plays on the field and getting it right most of the time. How the hell can any offense function when the defense literally knows what play you're about to run?

The reason Smith has a big part of the blame, to me, is because he fucks up plays even when they have a chance to be successful. I don't know if you watched the game or not, but Smith dumped off to Gore 4 or 5 times without even allowing any receivers enough time to run their routes - this was happening with no pressure on him; there wasn't even enough time for the defense to put pressure on him. He got the snap, looked straight to Gore and dumped off for 2-yard gains. How can a receiver run his route and have a chance to make a play when Alex Smith doesn't even give them a chance? People like to blame the line, but he did this without pressure. It's ridiculous.

 

[FATAL NYGHTMARE]

Yeah the Crab and Smith connection problem is due to chemistry issues..... Crab didn't play in pre-season so I think it's having an affect in their chemistry.

Then why did Crabtree have success last year?

Alex's play has dropped off the face of the earth this year. That's why.

 

[T-Rip]

^^^ yeah, Jimmy Raye to me was only a small part of the problem. Really its the lack of qb play thats killing the Niners and I think they dont have the confidence in Alex Smith to be passing the ball more then running it. Also the run blocking can be blamed cuz the holes arent really there

 

[Tony]

I hear you Fatal, but Alex does have touch on his passes.... don't forget about that perfect throw to Vernon Davis against the Saints. It went right over Vernon's head and dropped into his hands. Alex could play better but I don't blame him for the 49er problems. I would place the blame more on Singletary than anyone else. He's the head coach and he has the power/authority to make decisions. He's calling the shots so he's responsible to be honest. It's not just the offense that's killin' the Niners, the defense didn't play good either. It looks like the Niners are getting out coached on both sides of the ball.

 

[FATAL NYGHTMARE]

^^^ yeah, Jimmy Raye to me was only a small part of the problem. Really its the lack of qb play thats killing the Niners and I think they dont have the confidence in Alex Smith to be passing the ball more then running it.

I wouldn't say Raye was only a small part of the problem. He was a huge part of it. But Alex Smith also has a big hand in the offense's failures. He CAN be a good QB now and then, but sometimes he simply can't get it done. Inconsistent.

You have to take into account the fact that the two games we looked atrocious in happened against two teams with advantages in their favor. Seattle has several former Niners players and personnel that could have (and probably did) tip them off on our gameplans, styles and weaknesses of certain players or packages. In KC's case, players somehow knew what play we were going to run and were calling them out - by name - on the field. How in the hell does that happen? I mean, seriously. You can't expect ANY offense to do well when the defense literally knows what you're about to do. That's all Raye's fault no matter how you look at it, but even under those circumstances, Smith had plenty of chances to make something happen and failed to do it.

Also the run blocking can be blamed cuz the holes arent really there

Again, Seattle and KC knew what was coming. The only team that didn't have that advantage was New Orleans, and somehow the lanes were there in that game.

 

[FATAL NYGHTMARE]

I hear you Fatal, but Alex does have touch on his passes.... don't forget about that perfect throw to Vernon Davis against the Saints. It went right over Vernon's head and dropped into his hands. Alex could play better but I don't blame him for the 49er problems. I would place the blame more on Singletary than anyone else. He's the head coach and he has the power/authority to make decisions. He's calling the shots so he's responsible to be honest. It's not just the offense that's killin' the Niners, the defense didn't play good either. It looks like the Niners are getting out coached on both sides of the ball.

The defense played poorly on Sunday, but that's only one game. We can't start acting like they're a problem after only one bad game. It happens to the best of them. They played well against the Saints and didn't do bad against the Seahawks. The offense fucked them over in Seattle and continuously put the defense in bad situations. Even then, they ranked 4th overall in defense until KC's run game murdered them.

I do blame Singletary, mostly for his stupid ass offensive philosophies. He doesn't know shit about offense. Having said that, Raye was the biggest problem due to being the most predictable play caller in the world. Like I said before, running the offense the way Sing wants it - run oriented - doesn't mean run up the gut, run up the gut, draw, punt.

 

[corinthian]

fuck, why couldn't they wait until after october 17th to fire him

 

[DFresh77]

im a die hard 9er fan going on my 15th year of season tix, but just cuz we like the same team doesnt mean we gotta see eye to eye or i should back you up, those jimmy raye things were stupid as fuck, and you wanna build our team around an old man....

Well maybe because you thought he was good?

I been on the "FUCK JIMMY RAYE" wagon since last year buddy....

and yes I thought they were funny...could careless if you thought they weren't ...

by the way, is jimmy raye related to you?

and if you think Jeff Garcia wouldn't be able to give the 49ers some wins...you have to be out of your fucking mind....

 

[prodigy91]

fuck you jimmy raye...

*gary radnich voice* BYE BYE!!!!

 

[BROWN GUERRERO]

lol @ gary radnich. He had me lmao the other day when the baby was in the studio and he kept screaming "were in a pennant race for christ' sake!! who cares about the damn baby?".