Wait... who goes to hell?

[EDJ]

^YEAH MY VIEWS ARE PERVERTED, I'M JUST A PERVERT. I'M AN UNDA-COVER JEHOVAH WITNESS THAT'S gONNA BUMRUSH WHOEVA'S CRIB IF THEY READ THIS THREAD. I'M NOT gONNA gET IN DEPTH WITH YOU ON THIS. I NEITHA HAVE THE TIME OR PATIENCE. JUST CONTINUE WITH NINEWUNSIXX. CAUSE ALL YOU gONNA DO IS REBUTE WITH THE WORD QEBER MEANIN' YOUR LITERAL gRAVE AND I HAVE STRESSED THAT SHEOL IS THE gRAVE OF ALL MANKIND,.A.K.A DEATH. SO WHEN IT'S THROWN IN THE LAKE OF FIRE, gUESS WHAT? IT CEASES TO EXIST. BUT KEEP BELIEVIN' IN MEDIEVIL DOgMA'S THAT TRY TO KEEP PEOPLE IN CHEK. I WILL NEVA ACCEPT THAT AS FACT. AND YOU WONDA WHY THERE'S PEOPLE LIKE 2-0-6 THAT ARE ATHEISTS AND NINE-WUN-SIX5150 THAT QUESTION WHERE THE SOUL gOES AND WHAT IT IS. AND FOR THE RECORD, THIS THE "WHAT TIME" THAT YOU HAVE LIED ABOUT TALKIN' BOUT RELIgION?

 

[HERESY]

^YEAH MY VIEWS ARE PERVERTED, I'M JUST A PERVERT.

Perverted can simply mean twisted or misconstrued and that was the context in which I used the word.

I'M AN UNDA-COVER JEHOVAH WITNESS THAT'S gONNA BUMRUSH WHOEVA'S CRIB IF THEY READ THIS THREAD.

Fine, just don't go to 206's door.

I'M NOT gONNA gET IN DEPTH WITH YOU ON THIS. I NEITHA HAVE THE TIME OR PATIENCE. JUST CONTINUE WITH NINEWUNSIXX. CAUSE ALL YOU gONNA DO IS REBUTE WITH THE WORD QEBER MEANIN' YOUR LITERAL gRAVE AND I HAVE STRESSED THAT SHEOL IS THE gRAVE OF ALL MANKIND,.A.K.A DEATH.

Please read the link I provided.

SO WHEN IT'S THROWN IN THE LAKE OF FIRE, gUESS WHAT? IT CEASES TO EXIST.

Please read the link I provided.

BUT KEEP BELIEVIN' IN MEDIEVIL DOgMA'S THAT TRY TO KEEP PEOPLE IN CHEK. I WILL NEVA ACCEPT THAT AS FACT. AND YOU WONDA WHY THERE'S PEOPLE LIKE 2-0-6 THAT ARE ATHEISTS AND NINE-WUN-SIX5150 THAT QUESTION WHERE THE SOUL gOES AND WHAT IT IS.

No, these people are atheist and believe what they believe because thats what they WANT to do. The same reason why YOU want to live in sin and CONTINUE to do so is the same reason why 206 and 916 do what they do. Also, if all three of you had read the scriptures, studied them (and that includes attempting to learn the o.g. languages), and still chose not to believe I would take my hat off to you. However, NO ONE HERE has EVER done that. Also, how do you know J.W. dogma isn't causing any of this?

AND FOR THE RECORD, THIS THE "WHAT TIME" THAT YOU HAVE LIED ABOUT TALKIN' BOUT RELIgION?

huh?

 

[Danger Manye]

^YEAH MY VIEWS ARE PERVERTED, I'M JUST A PERVERT. I'M AN UNDA-COVER JEHOVAH WITNESS THAT'S gONNA BUMRUSH WHOEVA'S CRIB IF THEY READ THIS THREAD.

if you weren't so sarcastict(trying to see things clever) and spoke truth(trying to see things smart) we might know who you were and why you believe what you do, just your views could make more sense to us. but if you are reading something that is not the holy bible, you should not compare it to the holy bible. my bible is proof of who is right its not me or you but the Way, the Truth, the Life, the Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[HERESY]

Titus 2:15 These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee.

Proverbs 27:5 Better is open rebuke than hidden love.


2 Timothy 4:1-4 I charge [thee] therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom; 2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. 3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4 And they shall turn away [their] ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

TO THE PERSON WHO HIT ME ON PM DO NOT HIT ME ON PM ANY LONGER UNTIL YOU HAVE READ THESE SCRIPTURES AT LEAST 7 TIMES.

GOOD DAY!

 

[EDJ]

HERESY,
I KNOW WHAT CONTEXT YOU USED PERVERTED. I JUST CHOOSE NOT TO SPEAK ABOUT THIS AS I SAID BEFORE YOU EVEN RESPONDED AND WHEN I FIRST POSTED IN THIS THREAD. AND I DID HIT THAT LINK AND WAS READIN' HALFWAY THRU, AND THAT INSPIRED THE POST AFTER YOU POSTED IT. IT'S INFORMATIVE, BUT I SEE SOME UNDERTONES IN THEY REFERENCE TO "PASTOR RUSSELL" AND HOW THEY MISCONSTRUED SHEOL TO NOT MEAN A gRAVE AND THE PLURALS IN IT'S USAgE IN THE TIMES USED.
AND HOW I KNOW J.W BELIEFS AIN'T CAUSIN' PEOPLE TO BE ATHEISTS AND BE PART OF THE WORLD CAUSE THEY ARE THE ONLY FEW THAT gO PREACHIN' AND TRYIN' TO FIND DISCIPLES AS INSTRUCTED BY SCRIPTURE. WHAT DO THE OTHA RELIgIONS DO? SEND YOU A PAMPHLET AND HOPE YOU COME TO THEY CHURCH? I CHOOSE TO BE WORLDLY CAUSE IN A CONFUSED WORLD, I'M STILL TRYIN' TO SORT SHIT OUT. A PRIME EXAMPLE IS THIT SHIT HERE.

ODY-SICC,
YOU STRESSED, "if you weren't so sarcastict(trying to see things clever) and spoke truth(trying to see things smart) we might know who you were and why you believe what you do, just your views could make more sense to us."

I HAVE, TO ONLY BE LABELED, RIDICULED, AND MISCONSTRUED. IF YOU THAT INTERESTED, DO A SEARCH.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "but if you are reading something that is not the holy bible, you should not compare it to the holy bible."

WHAT IS THE HOLY BIBLE? THE KJV VERSION? THE AMERICAN STANDARD VERSION? THE DOUAY VERSION? THE MASORETIC VERSION? THE NEW TESTAMENT VERSION BY CHARLES B WILLIAMS? WHICH ONE?

THEN YOU STRESSED, "my bible is proof of who is right its not me or you but the Way, the Truth, the Life, the Lord Jesus Christ."

AND WHATEVA HAPPENED TO YHWH?

 

[HERESY]

I KNOW WHAT CONTEXT YOU USED PERVERTED. I JUST CHOOSE NOT TO SPEAK ABOUT THIS AS I SAID BEFORE YOU EVEN RESPONDED AND WHEN I FIRST POSTED IN THIS THREAD.

Sometimes when I reply I actually type it before I post it. If I had saw your post before I typed it I wouldn't have posted it, but I typed it as soon as I got home, and I didn't see your response.

AND I DID HIT THAT LINK AND WAS READIN' HALFWAY THRU, AND THAT INSPIRED THE POST AFTER YOU POSTED IT. IT'S INFORMATIVE, BUT I SEE SOME UNDERTONES IN THEY REFERENCE TO "PASTOR RUSSELL" AND HOW THEY MISCONSTRUED SHEOL TO NOT MEAN A gRAVE AND THE PLURALS IN IT'S USAgE IN THE TIMES USED.

Homie, study the languages thats all I'm telling you.

AND HOW I KNOW J.W BELIEFS AIN'T CAUSIN' PEOPLE TO BE ATHEISTS AND BE PART OF THE WORLD CAUSE THEY ARE THE ONLY FEW THAT gO PREACHIN' AND TRYIN' TO FIND DISCIPLES AS INSTRUCTED BY SCRIPTURE.

So, holding up comic books in front of safeway and raleys is preaching the word as instructed by scriptures? The J.W. beliefs ARE causing people to go astray which is why people need desensitizing when they leave the religion.

WHAT DO THE OTHA RELIgIONS DO? SEND YOU A PAMPHLET AND HOPE YOU COME TO THEY CHURCH?

Some of them do. Some of them have the comics that look like teh J.W. comics , only the jesus they have has long hair and they show him on a cross and not a stick or tree. The point is they can spread it according to the bible all day long but what they are spreading is not biblical doctrine.

I CHOOSE TO BE WORLDLY CAUSE IN A CONFUSED WORLD, I'M STILL TRYIN' TO SORT SHIT OUT. A PRIME EXAMPLE IS THIT SHIT HERE.

Which is why I continue to pray for you. You know me (OFFLINE), and you know all the stuff that you and I have talked about. This is why I am firm with you and why some people may think I'm coming at you harsh, but you know thats not the case. Iron sharpens iron, fam. Remember that.

 

[2-0-NINE]

.W BELIEFS AIN'T CAUSIN' PEOPLE TO BE ATHEISTS AND BE PART OF THE WORLD CAUSE THEY ARE THE ONLY FEW THAT gO PREACHIN' AND TRYIN' TO FIND DISCIPLES AS INSTRUCTED BY SCRIPTURE

@EDJ read Acts 20:29-30

 

[n9newunsixx5150]

You Spirit does not go directly to God, it remains asleep until the First Resurrection. When it means the Soul goes to God, and when you say why does it go to hell, the Soul meets God The Father or Since Jesus is now Judge, it meats Jesus for it's Judgement. Once your soul receives it's Judgements it goes either to hell or heaven. There is no Purgatory, Purgatory at one time was Abraham's Bosom or Paradise, BUT NOT HEAVEN.

http://www.dtl.org/dtl/treatise/soul-spirit-1.htm Or read this

You are a Living Soul, and you have Spirit your Soul is your Spirit, and your Spirit is your soul. It's the same thing, but the Soul is the Living Spirit. You don not go to God The Father as many Pastors will tell you, you remain asleep, until the First Resurrection. If our souls where to Go Directly to God, then why in Acts 2:29 does he speak about David being Dead(asleep) and buried and that his sepulchre is here with us, and Going on into Acts 2:34 Fro David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,

I am not saying that the soul goes directly to God. It may possibly go somewhere else, but ultimately, God is the destination. This is actually logical based on the premise that God is the Absolute Truth. On this basis it is unacceptable that anyone dwells forever in hell (since hell is not the Absolute; and if it is, then hell is God, by definition!). So when the Bible explains that spirit returns to God, I understand this as following logically from the theistic premise. I give the Bible such high credit. Or am I wrong for doing that?

So now, you are saying that the spirit-soul goes returns to God, but then either goes to heaven or to hell. Still, this hell (separation from God) cannot be permanent (or absolute) as I explained above. Actually, it is an illusion because no one is factually separate from God. We are eternally related to God. Our ignorance of this fact causes us to sin and to suffer further. So on this basis we may suffer hell for an inconceivable amount of time, but never forever. A loving God would not have it. Basically what is being said is that God's love is conditioned under finite time. If I live a sinful life of eighty years and then go to suffer endlessly in hell, then God's love for me is limited to 80 rotations of the earth around the sun. This contradicts an eternal, loving God. Plain and simple.

The bottom line is, whatever the Bible says according to scholar A or scholar B or whoever else is secondary to what logic says based on these things we know about the nature of God. The Bible may not actually explain that one dwells forever in hell. This may be a lack of understanding on those translating and/or those interpreting.

 

[n9newunsixx5150]

^THIS IS WHY I DON'T BELIEVE IN HELL BEIN' A PLACE OF TORMENT. BUT I DON'T WANT TO gO THRU WITH THIS CONVO.

STOCTON,
DON'T CONFUSE YOURSELF AND LOOK FOR TRUTH. THE SOUL IS NOT THE SPIRIT, BUT THE SPIRIT WHEN IT'S IN YOUR BODY(FLESH).
NINEWUNSIX5150,
gOOD POINT. HELL IS YOUR ACTUAL gRAVE. LOOK UP THE HEBREW WORDS FOR HELL. AND THIS IS ANOTHA REASON WHY I DON'T BELIEVE IN HELL BEIN' A PLACE OT TORMENT.

So what do you say about this "lake of fire"?

 

[n9newunsixx5150]

I probably have 10 verses or MORE around here proving a hell (as mentioned in teh new AND old testament) that you have FAILED to answer. Not only that but you have also failed to address QEBER. So, if you don't want to go through the convo leave it alone.

Similarly, Heresy, if you don't want to go through the conversation of this thread then leave it alone; asserting your ability to do so but admitting your unwillingness to engage the conversation. You're getting after EDJ for exactly what I was getting after you for. Now EDJ needs to tell you that you don't dictate what he does or doesn't do.

 

[2-0-NINE]

I am not saying that the soul goes directly to God. It may possibly go somewhere else, but ultimately, God is the destination. This is actually logical based on the premise that God is the Absolute Truth. On this basis it is unacceptable that anyone dwells forever in hell (since hell is not the Absolute; and if it is, then hell is God, by definition!). So when the Bible explains that spirit returns to God, I understand this as following logically from the theistic premise. I give the Bible such high credit. Or am I wrong for doing that?

First of all God gave you the Whole time while you were on Earth to live a Godly and Truthful life. You live your life for him, after all we were made in his image and pleasure. Secondly it's not Wrong to give the Bible High Credit, for the Bible is a Book that doesn't get much credit.

now, you are saying that the spirit-soul goes returns to God, but then either goes to heaven or to hell. Still, this hell (separation from God) cannot be permanent (or absolute) as I explained above. Actually, it is an illusion because no one is factually separate from God. We are eternally related to God. Our ignorance of this fact causes us to sin and to suffer further. So on this basis we may suffer hell for an inconceivable amount of time, but never forever. A loving God would not have it. Basically what is being said is that God's love is conditioned under finite time. If I live a sinful life of eighty years and then go to suffer endlessly in hell, then God's love for me is limited to 80 rotations of the earth around the sun. This contradicts an eternal, loving God. Plain and simple.

You deserve it so, how could you live your whole life according to
yourself and Expect God to pardon you and your sins if you never gave your life for him, or even TRULY REPENTED. It doesn't contradict God, because you're given your whole time on earth to do good, but instead you rather rebel against him.

The bottom line is, whatever the Bible says according to scholar A or scholar B or whoever else is secondary to what logic says based on these things we know about the nature of God. The Bible may not actually explain that one dwells forever in hell. This may be a lack of understanding on those translating and/or those interpreting.

The Bible has no flaws, and It Only speaks the truth, many of you will say WELL IT WAS Interpretated by Man, then why don't you get a Concordance of Hebrew, Latin, and Greek words, and understand both the New and Old Testament. About Hell Read Matthew Chapter 10:28, 11:23, 25:46 "And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal Take it how it is, but open your ears and your eyes along with your mind. Don't allow your own opinion to shape the Bible, but instead allow the Holy Spirit to inspire you. Alot of you on here think we care less of you non-believers or those who follow corrupted Doctrines, but we're trying to teach you, and Pray that you all will see the Way, The Truth and the Light!

 

[n9newunsixx5150]

I made this thread with two things in mind:

1) figuring out what exactly is the living entity that is eternal (which may go to hell)

2) showing that it is absolutely unnacceptable that anyone dwells endlessly in any type of hell.

The logic on this is simple:

There is no absolute separation from God because no one is absolutely separate from God. It is not in any way possible to be absolutely separate from the absolute itself. THEREFORE, our suffering is a result of our presuming in the illusion of being separate from the absolute God. The Bible may not explain this in such depth, but try considering the grade of people to whom the Bible was given before you jump to think that it necessarily provides in it's literal word a full understanding on every point.

 

[n9newunsixx5150]

First of all God gave you the Whole time while you were on Earth to live a Godly and Truthful life. You live your life for him, after all we were made in his image and pleasure. Secondly it's not Wrong to give the Bible High Credit, for the Bible is a Book that doesn't get much credit.



You deserve it so, how could you live your whole life according to
yourself and Expect God to pardon you and your sins if you never gave your life for him, or even TRULY REPENTED. It doesn't contradict God, because you're given your whole time on earth to do good, but instead you rather rebel against him.




The Bible has no flaws, and It Only speaks the truth, many of you will say WELL IT WAS Interpretated by Man, then why don't you get a Concordance of Hebrew, Latin, and Greek words, and understand both the New and Old Testament. About Hell Read Matthew Chapter 10:28, 11:23, 25:46 "And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal Take it how it is, but open your ears and your eyes along with your mind. Don't allow your own opinion to shape the Bible, but instead allow the Holy Spirit to inspire you. Alot of you on here think we care less of you non-believers or those who follow corrupted Doctrines, but we're trying to teach you, and Pray that you all will see the Way, The Truth and the Light!

God desires that we love Him. Therefore God does not desire sending anyone into permanent separation from God, nor is He obligated to do such.

Here is ANOTHER reason why absolute hell does not exist.

 

[2-0-NINE]

There is no absolute separation from God because no one is absolutely separate from God.

Sin has Seperated us from God, when Adam was Naked and Sinless in the Garden of Eden, HE WALKED WITH GOD! When he and Eve commited the First Sin ever, that sin permanently seperated us from the Absolute, and made us Fall short of the Glory he intended for us to have.

 

[2-0-NINE]

God desires that we love Him. Therefore God does not desire sending anyone into permanent separation from God, nor is He obligated to do such.

Here is ANOTHER reason why absolute hell does not exist.

This is exactly what the Orthodox Jews Believe, which is a false doctrine as well, also to Note, it's a doctrine yet again of Organized Religion. They too, believe that when you die, THAT'S IT, there's no more, and there's a slight chance of Reincarnation which in the bible is Truly False.

 

[n9newunsixx5150]

Sin has Seperated us from God, when Adam was Naked and Sinless in the Garden of Eden, HE WALKED WITH GOD! When he and Eve commited the First Sin ever, that sin permanently seperated us from the Absolute, and made us Fall short of the Glory he intended for us to have.

Sin means to presume as if separated from God. If we were factually separate from God then presuming to be separate from God would not be considered a sin!

Therefore, as I said before, no one is absolutely separate from God.

 

[2-0-NINE]

Then in the case that you have brought, that we cannot be seperated from the Absolute, is Satan not a Product of Yahweh, Yeshua, Ruach Hakodesh *holy spirit* or Elohim *The True God* in General. So because he rebelled against God, but is also a creation of him, he won't be thrown into hell? Read the Scripture Bro.

 

[2-0-NINE]

The Spirit can be Destroyed, wait for a while, I'll look it up in the Bible right now!

 

[n9newunsixx5150]

This is exactly what the Orthodox Jews Believe, which is a false doctrine as well, also to Note, it's a doctrine yet again of Organized Religion. They too, believe that when you die, THAT'S IT, there's no more, and there's a slight chance of Reincarnation which in the bible is Truly False.

These other points you bring up are different conversations. Let's just deal with the eternal separation from God concept. That Orthodox Jews believe as I do means what in regard to my points?

 

[2-0-NINE]

Oh wait b4 I get on that, to EDJ about there not being a Hell Read Revelation Chapter 20:14-15. No 916 so that I can look that scripture up!