Wait... who goes to hell?

[2-0-NINE]

These other points you bring up are different conversations. Let's just deal with the eternal separation from God concept. That Orthodox Jews believe as I do means what in regard to my points?

THAT MAN MADE DOCTRINES ARE CORRUPTED

 

[n9newunsixx5150]

Then in the case that you have brought, that we cannot be seperated from the Absolute, is Satan not a Product of Yahweh, Yeshua, Ruach Hakodesh *holy spirit* or Elohim *The True God* in General. So because he rebelled against God, but is also a creation of him, he won't be thrown into hell? Read the Scripture Bro.

I am simply applying logic on God-given premises.

To answer your question, why can't Satan be thrown into hell? Why can't you or I be thrown into hell? I am not denying a hell. I am denying it as an eternal dwelling place.

 

[n9newunsixx5150]

The Spirit can be Destroyed, wait for a while, I'll look it up in the Bible right now!

If we have learned ANYTHING from this thread, it is that these words "spirit" and "soul" are precarious translations.

 

[n9newunsixx5150]

I say again:

Sin means to presume as if separated from God.

Do you not agree with the above statement?

 

[2-0-NINE]

OK THEN REVELATION CHAPTER 20:10 IF THIS CAN'T CONVINCE YOU THEN GOODNIGHT, IT'S NOT USE ANYMORE TRYING TO SHED LIGHT

 

[2-0-NINE]

Yup sin means to be Seperated from God, in Spanish SIN means without. But the Spanish Word has nothing to do with it, but to sin is to be separated from the Lord.

 

[n9newunsixx5150]

Sin means "to miss the mark".

We "miss the mark" when we presume to be separate from God. Therefore we are NOT separate from God.

 

[2-0-NINE]

So you mean to tell me you are Omni-Present, because if you are in hell, you are also with Christ in Heaven?!

 

[n9newunsixx5150]

Yup sin means to be Seperated from God, in Spanish SIN means without. But the Spanish Word has nothing to do with it, but to sin is to be separated from the Lord.

I didn't realize at first that this was in response to my question.

Anyway,

You say "yup" as if to agree, but then you take out a significant word. That is, "presume". So I ask again:

Do you agree that sin means to presume as if separated from God?

 

[2-0-NINE]

In a Spiritual sense, but how do you define Being Seperate from Him, in the Physical?

 

[n9newunsixx5150]

So you mean to tell me you are Omni-Present, because if you are in hell, you are also with Christ in Heaven?!

I am saying that there is this illusion of separation from God.

 

[2-0-NINE]

No there is not, then you are Claiming you're ONMI-PRESENT RIGHT?!

 

[n9newunsixx5150]

In a Spiritual sense, but how do you define Being Seperate from Him, in the Physical?

Yes. In this material world there is the illusion of an automatically running universe. We have no direct empirical evidence of God. This is the illusion of being without God.

 

[2-0-NINE]

Physically Yes, Spiritually No.

 

[n9newunsixx5150]

No there is not, then you are Claiming you're ONMI-PRESENT RIGHT?!

Your reasoning is poor. This is cleared up quite simply...

I don't have to be omni-present to fulfill this logic since God already is.

 

[2-0-NINE]

GOODNIGHT!

 

[n9newunsixx5150]

Physically Yes, Spiritually No.

The physical is an illusion.

illusion (noun)
something that deceives by producing a false or misleading impression of reality. (dictionary.com)


Specifically, this physical universe misleads us in thinking that we are separate from, without or independent of God.

 

[HERESY]

Similarly, Heresy, if you don't want to go through the conversation of this thread then leave it alone; asserting your ability to do so but admitting your unwillingness to engage the conversation. You're getting after EDJ for exactly what I was getting after you for. Now EDJ needs to tell you that you don't dictate what he does or doesn't do.

Again, you don't run anything around here. You don't tell me what to leave alone and what not to leave alone. I am getting after EDJ because EDJ asked me questions and attributed things to me that are not true. If he does not want to answer he does NOT have to answer, and I am not getting on him for that. However, YOU came faulty from the gates, I saw it and I said I wasn't going to give you an answer. You asked me a question AFTER I said I wasn't going to answer. EDJ said he was not going to talk about it but he still talks about it. I told you I wouldn't give you an answer and I have NOT given you the answer. Do you see the difference?

 

[HERESY]

I made this thread with two things in mind:

1) figuring out what exactly is the living entity that is eternal (which may go to hell)

2) showing that it is absolutely unnacceptable that anyone dwells endlessly in any type of hell.

The logic on this is simple:

There is no absolute separation from God because no one is absolutely separate from God. It is not in any way possible to be absolutely separate from the absolute itself. THEREFORE, our suffering is a result of our presuming in the illusion of being separate from the absolute God. The Bible may not explain this in such depth, but try considering the grade of people to whom the Bible was given before you jump to think that it necessarily provides in it's literal word a full understanding on every point.

Again, the way you posted your question is NOT how you are coming off now. Look at the FIRST couple of responses to your initial post. Also, you have beat this topic to death before (use the search engine) and you simply want to go round and round and round.

Hit the LAST link I gave EDJ and you'll see EXACTLY why your views do NOT coincide with what is taught in biblical scriptures. From your view of seperation, to your view on sin, to your view on eternal punishment (which can be explained if you hit the link.)

 

[HERESY]

Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet [are], and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Rev 14:9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive [his] mark in his forehead, or in his hand, 10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: 11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.