Wait... who goes to hell?

2-0-NINE · Sep 12, 2006

You Spirit does not go directly to God, it remains asleep until the First Resurrection. When it means the Soul goes to God, and when you say why does it go to hell, the Soul meets God The Father or Since Jesus is now Judge, it meats Jesus for it's Judgement. Once your soul receives it's Judgements it goes either to hell or heaven. There is no Purgatory, Purgatory at one time was Abraham's Bosom or Paradise, BUT NOT HEAVEN.

http://www.dtl.org/dtl/treatise/soul-spirit-1.htm Or read this

You are a Living Soul, and you have Spirit your Soul is your Spirit, and your Spirit is your soul. It's the same thing, but the Soul is the Living Spirit. You don not go to God The Father as many Pastors will tell you, you remain asleep, until the First Resurrection. If our souls where to Go Directly to God, then why in Acts 2:29 does he speak about David being Dead(asleep) and buried and that his sepulchre is here with us, and Going on into Acts 2:34 Fro David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,

HERESY · Sep 12, 2006

You don't dictate what I do or don't do. If I want to come here one million times and tell you I know the answer but that I won't explain it, you can do nothing about it. If you want people to respond to you a certain way you need to put it out there a certain way.

Sure.

If anyone is defensive it is you. I am not trying to defend my motives or explain myself. When you post up questions or make threads and one of the first responses is, "nop,e it doesnt make sense, haha", just what type of message are you trying to convey? It DOESN'T come off as one seeking to know an answer to a legit question.

See above, and if you know these are the possibilities, why didn't you look into them?

I have not given you the run around, and I have made it quite clear/obvious that your answer may be found if you study the words.

EDJ · Sep 12, 2006

^THIS IS WHY I DON'T BELIEVE IN HELL BEIN' A PLACE OF TORMENT. BUT I DON'T WANT TO gO THRU WITH THIS CONVO.

STOCTON,
DON'T CONFUSE YOURSELF AND LOOK FOR TRUTH. THE SOUL IS NOT THE SPIRIT, BUT THE SPIRIT WHEN IT'S IN YOUR BODY(FLESH).
NINEWUNSIX5150,
gOOD POINT. HELL IS YOUR ACTUAL gRAVE. LOOK UP THE HEBREW WORDS FOR HELL. AND THIS IS ANOTHA REASON WHY I DON'T BELIEVE IN HELL BEIN' A PLACE OT TORMENT.

HERESY · Sep 12, 2006

EDJ said:

I probably have 10 verses or MORE around here proving a hell (as mentioned in teh new AND old testament) that you have FAILED to answer. Not only that but you have also failed to address QEBER. So, if you don't want to go through the convo leave it alone.

HERESY · Sep 12, 2006

Handsworth4Life said:

http://www.amazon.com/Englishmans-Hebrew-Concordance-Old-Testament/dp/1565632087

2-0-NINE · Sep 12, 2006

Yup The Hebrew Word Sheol means Graves, and Gehenna or Hades means a place of Hell or fire like it does in the New Testament, the New Testament was Written in Greek and In Latin.

Read this Page homeboy http://www.sundoulos.com/theological.aspx?in=6.

Hells is a Place of Torment, there are two different hells, The One Sheol in Hebrew is your Grave or your Sepulcre or tomb, and the Other Hell which in the New Testament is Hades is a place of Fire or Torment. If hell was never a place of Torment then where is Jesus going to Throw the False Prophet, Satan and all of his Followers and People who rebeled against God? Is the Lake of Fire not a Place of Torment? Revelation Chapter 20:10-15. The Soul is the Spirit, read that Link I gave you it'll explain. BRO

2-0-NINE · Sep 12, 2006

EDJ remember the Story of the Man and Poor Ol Lazarus, where did that man end up? Sodom and Gomorrah ring up anything in you mind?

HERESY · Sep 12, 2006

Stockton, based on convos with EDJ it appears that his beliefs are rooted in the Jehovah Witness doctrine/dogma. This is why he will NOT see it from a different perspective.

EDJ · Sep 12, 2006

HERESY,
WE NEVA FINISHED THAT CONVO AND LEFT IT AT THAT. I CAN EASILY BRINg BAK THAT THREAD. BUT I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT. THAT QEBER WORD WAS NEVA MENTIONED. ONLY YOU HAVE BROUgHT THAT UP. ALL I gO TO SAY IS THAT NINEWUNSIX5150 BROUgHT UP A gOOD POINT, SO ADDRESS HIM. I'M OUT THIS CONVO.

BTW,
I THOUgHT YOU WERE gONNA SEND THAT SHIT SUNDAY?

STOCTON,
MAN. DO A SEARCH ON THIS TOPIC, I DONE COVERED THIS BEFORE AND gAVE MORE THAN ENOUgH INFO ON LAZARUS AND BROUgHT UP ALL MY POINTS, WHICH WERE NEVA DEBUNKED. SOME OF THE VETERANS CAN TESTIFY TO THIS. I'D RATHER LEAVE IT ALONE, FOR I AM NOT A HIPOCRITE.

EDJ · Sep 12, 2006

HERESY,
MY SHIT IS ROOTED ON MY OWN CONCLUSIONS. QUIT TRYIN' TO LABEL ME AND HAVE OTHAS DO THE SAME.

HERESY · Sep 12, 2006

No, your beliefs are rooted in the Jehovah witness doctrine. You have NEVER shown a different belief system. You believe Michael is Jesus, you don't believe in a hell, you believe that the 144,000 are Jehovah Witnesses, you believe the soul/memory (or whatever) returns to God, you deny the Trinity and accept many other things that are exclusive to the J.W. doctrine.

In the past when you were asked about this you basically implied that you believe it because it sounded right based on your own research. With that ebing said, it is safe to say you adhere to the JW doctrine.

EDJ · Sep 12, 2006

^NO, I BELIEVE A LOT OF SHIT THAT HAS BEEN PRESENTED TO ME(WHETHA IT WAS THEM OR SOMEBODY ELSE WHO SHOWED ME THOSE FACTS AND I LATER ON LOOKED INTO THEM). FOR YOU TO LABEL ME SUCH JUST CAUSE I DON'T ADHERE TO POPULAR CHURCH DOgMA(FAKE DOCTRINE OF THE TRINITY, FIERY HELL, PURgATORY, AND SO FORTH...) DOES NOT MAKE ME A BELIEVER OF A DOCTRINE OR WHAT YOU LABEL AS "THEIR" DOCTRINE. I BELIEVE THEY(J.W) UNCOVER A LOT OF BIBLE TRUTHS AND ADHERE TO SCRIPTURE(UNLIKE MOST OF THESE RELIgIONS(ESPECIALLY THESE SO CALLED CHRISTIANS OF TODAY). NINEWUNSIX5150 CAME WITH A LEgITIMATE QUESTION CAUSE I BELIEVE HIS SOUL IS SEEKIN' TRUTH AND IT DON'T ADD UP WITH ALL THE CHURCH DOgMA'S(LIKE HELL BEIN' A PLACE OF TORMENT).

HERESY · Sep 12, 2006

EDJ said:

EDJ your claim that Queber was never mentioned is incorrect. I'll chop it up to memory loss. I don't NEED to address 916, because HE needs to address himself and pick up a book just like you. Here is proof that I have mentioned Queber, and this is the stuff that I typed BEFORE the site crashed.

http://siccness.net/vb/showthread.php?t=184670&highlight=queber

http://siccness.net/vb/showthread.php?t=30067&highlight=queber

As far as Lazarus you have failed to debunk what I posted about it (before the site went down), but the links I just gave basically tell the same thing.

HERESY · Sep 12, 2006

You have NEVER went against ANYTHING presented by the JEHOVAH WITNESSES.

SEE ABOVE.

Yet, you have NEVER gone against it. I HAVE gone against what can be considered "christian" doctrine and have openly stated that I am NOT a "christian" but a FOLLOWER OF THE WAY. You on teh other hand have CONSTANTLY endorsed EVERYTHING associated with the J.W.'s (including their mistranslated bible) and have NEVER been at odds with their doctrine.

As far as 916 having a legit question thats up for debate. 916 does NOT adhere to the scriptures that you or I profess to believe in. He adheres to the HINDU scriptures, and if I were to make a thread similar to his he would have probably done the same thing. Again, people need to READ before they start making posts that appear contradictory. Look at the FIRST reply to 916's post and you'll see why I say people need to read and why his question was sideways.

2-0-NINE · Sep 12, 2006

EDJ said:

I'm was starting to get that Feeling too, and as for you EDJ, you a bigger hypocrite then me fool! Telling me why I make up arguments about God and then Curse as I use his name, don't make yourself look bad homie. Then you use my past, me Banging and chunking with scraps, look at you Mr. Crip. But I'm not here to judge you on that, and if you want to me do research on What homie, you can't argue with a Fundementalist if you can't bring up Solid Evidence, and if you're going to use scripture make sure it's the Right Scripture.

2-0-NINE · Sep 12, 2006

A false Doctrine, or a False Dogma?! How many times must you Read John 1:1 Isaiah 7:14 Immanuel Meaning God Is with Us, also another Name of Jesus, Also read Isaiah 9:6. The Whole Jehovah Witness teachings along with the Mormon teaching will burn. I honestly can say so, because It's false Teaching how many times have many Tower Leaders predicted that God would come and it never came to pass. What about this 144,000 that are the Supposed Chosen to be in heaven while the Other Witness stay in Paradise, WT Heck? Michael is Not Jesus, Jesus is not an Angel, Jesus was the Promised Messiah of the Old Testament, he is Jehovah Yahweh or Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh, he is the Holy Spirit, for if the Father and the Holy Spirit are God then in John 1:14 (Read this b4 you continue with you ranting that There is no Trinity). Jesus was the in one of the Earliest Prophecies in the Bible Genesis 3:15 and if the Death and Resurrection of Jesus Christ doesn't become the same with this Prophecy then tell me what is? If the Deity of the Trinity is false, why does Jesus have the Power to Forgive sins as only God the Father can, why can he Raise People from the Dead as only God Can, and why did he perform so much Miracles as only God can and Exorcise demons as a man of God or God himself can. SIMPLE ANSWER HE IS GOD!

2-0-NINE · Sep 12, 2006

There is no Purgatory unless you mean the Bosom of Abraham which was Paradise, not Heaven. This was the Place where many of the Righteous dead would await for God the Father to judge them into Heaven. But when Christ was Crucified and when he had Resurrected Paradise was no longer in Existense. Now instead of the Soul returning to Paradise and ultimately back to God, our Spirits or Souls remain asleep until the First Resurrection depending on if you were a True Believer of Jesus Christ. If you weren't then you are part of the Second Resurrection of the Unrighteous Dead, then are Judged into the Lake of Fire or hell.

EDJ · Sep 13, 2006

STOCTON,
YOU A JOKE AND A HIPOCRITE. NOWHERE HAVE I STATED THAT I AM CHRISTIAN OR TRYIN' TO BE. I SAID MY BELIEFS ARE ROOTED IN SCRIPTURE(NOT YOUR INTERPRETATION, OBVIOUSLY), BUT I'M STILL THAT gANgSTA ASS MUTHA-FUKA FROM THE 5-1 BLOK. IF THE WORLD WAS TO END TODAY, I'D BE AgAINST (gOD) CAUSE I'M WILLFULLY SINNIN' AND PART OF THIS WORLD WITH WORLDY DESIRES.
YOU ON THE OTHA HAND, TRYIN' TO PREACH TO MUTHA-FUKAS BUT QUIK TO CALL A SURENO A "SCRAP". CAN YOU SAY THE WORD SURENO? WOULD YOU EVA HAVE A BIBLE STUDY WITH A SURENO AND LOVE HIM LIKE A BROTHA? MISS ME WITH YOUR TYPE-BEFORE-YOU-THINK ASS. CAUSE I WILL BEAT YOUR "NORTONTO" ASS WITH YOUR OWN BIBLE PUNK.
AND ADDRESS THE ISSUES IN THE THREADS HERESY LEFT IF YOU WANNA ADDRESS THEM. I'M NOT gONNA WASTE MY TIME AND SOUND LIKE A BROKEN RECORD.

HERESY,

I TOLD YOU I DON'T WANNA gET INTO THIS.

BUT YOU STRESSED, "EDJ your claim that Queber was never mentioned is incorrect. I'll chop it up to memory loss. I don't NEED to address 916, because HE needs to address himself and pick up a book just like you. Here is proof that I have mentioned Queber, and this is the stuff that I typed BEFORE the site crashed."

WHEN DID THE SITE CRASHED? I SAID YOU THE ONE THAT MENTIONED QEBER OR QUEBER. I SAID YOU BROUgHT IT UP. AND WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT THE COMMON gRAVE FOR ALL MANKIND, NOT THAT HELL=QEBER.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "As far as Lazarus you have failed to debunk what I posted about it (before the site went down), but the links I just gave basically tell the same thing."

BULLSHIT. WE WENT THOROUgHLY ON THAT SUBJECT AND YOU NEVA ANSWERED:

#1. HOW CAN A LOVIN' gOD TORTURE HIS OWN CHILDREN?

#X. IF HELL IS AN ACTUAL PLACE OF TORMENT AND ALL SINNERS BURN FOREVA, THAT VIOLATES THE EYE FOR AN EYE RULE. WHY WOULD I BURN FOREVA FOR A MEASELY 80 YEARS(MORE OR LESS, AND THAT'S TAKIN' INTO ACCOUNT THAT EVERY DAY I WAS DOIN' THE MOST DIRT) OF SIN? THE SHIT DON'T ADD UP.

#3. 2-0-SIXX CAN FIND THAT POST WHERE WE WENT THUROUgHLY ABOUT THE LAZARUS INCIDENT. CAUSE I EVEN LEFT A BIBLIOgRAPHY WHERE I gOT MY INFO. AND THE SITE DIDN'T gO DOWN THEN. YOU MY FRIEND IS LOSIN' YOUR MEMORY. BUT LIKE I TOLD YOU, LET'S NOT gET INTO THIS. ALL WE DOIN' IS BEATIN' A DEAD HORSE.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "You have NEVER went against ANYTHING presented by the JEHOVAH WITNESSES."

BULLSHIT. I QUESTION EVERYTHANg. EVERY INFO PRESENTED I LOOKED UP TO SEE IF IT WAS TRUE OR NOT. I AIN'T TAKIN' MUTHA-FUKAS WORD FOR IT. AND WHEN I LOOKED IT UP, MY CONCLUSION IS THAT THEY WAS SPEAKIN' THE TRUTH.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "Yet, you have NEVER gone against it."

LOOK ABOVE. AT THE END, IN MY OPINION, THEY SPOKE THE TRUTH.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "I HAVE gone against what can be considered "christian" doctrine and have openly stated that I am NOT a "christian" but a FOLLOWER OF THE WAY."

IT AIN'T CHRISTIAN AND THAT'S WHY YOU REBUKE IT. I FEEL IN YOUR HEART, YOU LOOKIN' FOR TRUTH AND HAVE SEEN THE FALSE WAYS OF THESE SELF PROFESSED "CHRISTIANS". BTW, WHAT IS THE FOLLOWER OF THE WAY?

THEN YOU STRESSED, "You on teh other hand have CONSTANTLY endorsed EVERYTHING associated with the J.W.'s (including their mistranslated bible) and have NEVER been at odds with their doctrine."

THE KEY WORD IS "ASSOCIATED". SO YOU TELLIN' ME THAT YOU ARE LIKE THESE LAWS AND SQUARES AND WANT TO LABEL ME AND ASSOCIATE THANgS TO CERTAIN MUTHA-FUKAS? THAT AIN'T COO'. TELL IT LIKE IT IS, DON'T ASSOCIATE ME WITH N-E-BODY CAUSE EDJ RIDES SOLO. AND JUST LIKE MUTHA-FUKAS THAT QUIK TO CALL A BIBLE A BOOK INSTEAD OF A COLLECTION OF BOOKS, YOU DOIN' THE SAME THANg BY SAYIN' THAT J.W BELIEVE IN A DOCTRINE INSTEAD OF A SET OF DOCTRINES. gET IT RIgHT.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "As far as 916 having a legit question thats up for debate. 916 does NOT adhere to the scriptures that you or I profess to believe in. He adheres to the HINDU scriptures, and if I were to make a thread similar to his he would have probably done the same thing. Again, people need to READ before they start making posts that appear contradictory. Look at the FIRST reply to 916's post and you'll see why I say people need to read and why his question was sideways."

NINEWUNSIXX5150 QUESTION IS LEgIT. HE SEE'S A FLAW IN THE DOCTRINE ABOUT THE SOUL SURVIVIN' DEATH AND WANTS TO SEE WHOEVA BELIEVES IN THIS DOgMA TO DEFEND THEY POSITION. SEE, HE CAN'T PULL MY CARD, CAUSE I SEE WHAT HE STRESSIN'.

HERESY · Sep 13, 2006

I'll answer all of this when I get home from class.

EDJ · Sep 13, 2006

^DON'T BOTHER. WE BEATIN' A DEAD HORSE. I'D RATHER FOR YOU TO gET AT YOUR EQUIPMENT AND COME WITH SOME MORE BANgERS.

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