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For One Dog, I Aint Ask You 4 Shit My Nigga... For Two This Thread Aint Got Started About Me Giving You My Angal On My Personal Music Aproach
For Three You Left Out Hella Different Descriptions In My Resume. Fourth I Aint Doing Or Trying To Do Nothing No Other Bay Area Artist Or Artist In General Is Doing,, I DO ME all Day Every Day Thats It Thats All,, So About Understanding How Some Artist Think A Lot Of Them Think Alike,, But A Unique Few Think Like None Other,, So When Addressin Me Ask Me Specifically How I Think Not In Reference 2 Some Artist Cause That Aint Me, SHOREVIEW SHAN the One an Only....
fumble.

you could have just answered his question, without being defensive. you had a chance to answer a LOT of people's questions, maybe make yourself shine a bit, stand out apart from other rappers

which is what i believe radiostationrep was getting at...

but... typical bay rapper.. fumble...
 

S.V

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kepp doing your thing. i was just curious about what seperates your music from other frisco cats. i wasnt trying to put you on the defensive. good luck with your music career.
4 Show Fam I Didnt Wont 2 Go Turning This Thread In2 Shit All About Me..Cause It Aint All About Me It's About The Bay,, I Get Mine Outside The Bay But As Far As Or Region They Dont Respect This Shit Outside The Bay,,, I Mean Very Few Do As In The Fans Of Music,,, People On The Inside Business Wise Yeah They Respect It Cause It's They Job 2 But Fan Wise They lol At Us, Majority Of Am,,, Somebody Brought Up A Good Point In Anotha Thread Even I Over Looked The Difference From Hyhpy And Crunk And All Other Music Generes (if spelled it right) Is We Really Have A Lifestyle That Goes Beyond Music In Terms Of Gettin Hyhypy,,,,Crunk Shit and All That Other Shit Dont Go Beyond Dance And Music,,,,Even Mobb Music We Really Mobb Niggas Out Here Have Been Since Day One,, So We Diffently Inovators,,,So I Respect Yo Question And Reply,, The Day Will Come That I Get The Spot 2 Answer Any And Every Question Needed 2 No About Me.............

@ Hiddengem I Dont Fumble My Nigga And I Aint The Typical Bay Rapper And If You Could See Me NOW!!! Im Shinning Dog Always Have Always Will.....I Stand Out Cause My Story Only I Could Tell It. And Like I Said It's Only One SHOREVIEW SHAN I Aint Half Of These Rap Niggas That Got 20 Other Rap Niggas Around The World Callin They Self The Same Name,,,Never Had That Problem My Name Came From The Streets Be4 This Rap Shit,,, So Right There That Sets Me Far Anuff Apart From Any One I Aint Tryna Be Close 2 Any Way.......

@ Filthy Rich Every Sale Lost 4 A Wont Stop Records Release Is 4 Moe Gained,,, Cause The Same Reason You Say I Lost His Sell A Real Nigga Gone Come Along And Appreciate It,,, Why Was The Sell Lost Cause You Dont Like My Attitude Rappers Dont Sell Records Due 2 Attitude,, You Think You Will Ever Even Know Personally First Hand What Type of Attitude Any Main Stream Artist Has,,, no You Want Cause 9 times Out Of 10 They Aint Gone Talk 2 You Anyway,,, But You Still Might Buy They Shit,,, So If This Was A popularity Contest I Lost cause I Could Give A Fuck If You Like Me Or Not,,,, Like Or Dont Like The Music Unless You Kick It Wit Me Day 2 Day Thats About As Good As You Gone Get And A Few Responses Here On Siccness 4 NOW!!! So Yall Enjoy Me While Yall Can... I Like All Yall Cant See Half Of Yall So Why Wouldnt I Like You!!!!lol,lol:cool:
 

70SAV

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#85
Good point. My question for you is, what's your take on all the artists that sell in other regions, but not the bay? There's a lot of cats that step out of their soil and make bread...but when they come back nobody is supportin' 'em and tellin' 'em they're wack. In that case, maybe it's not the artist...maybe it's the region. I see a lot of hate out here, and a lot of cats tryin' to bring somebody down before they even raise up.
First off, comparing The Bay to other regions is like comparing apples to oranges. I hear the term "The South" thrown about in these forums like its a city or somethin', when in all reality it consists of one quarter (if not more) of the entire country (as in "North", "South", "East", "West"????). They have more successful artists simply because they have more artists. New York and LA are entirely different beasts as well, in as much as they have always been seen by the entire country as THE places to go to be discovered in ANY form of entertainment. They are THE Meccas of the Entertainment industry. They succeed simply because their talent pool consists of the entire country's (if not the entire world's) populace of aspiring artists who are either disgruntled with their own regional entertainment centers or are too impatient to wait for the mountain to come to them. As far as the other small regions they're all just waiting for a chance to blow up in their own rite. Historically the ones with the best chance have a few things in common. For one, they're near large bodies of water. Secondly they have what is considered to be a major metropolitan city within it's boundaries. Thirdly they have at least one professional sports team within it's boundaries. In my opinion these areas are ripe for the picking for any enterprising dreamweaver with Bay game who would be willing to uproot themselves for a business opportunity. The same independent game that is saturated here can still be used to full effect somewhere else and the they will be more than happy to hop on board there due to their hunger and lack of know how. Don't get it twisted all of these small regions want badly to blow and all of their artists want to be the ones who put their region on the map. You could help them achieve that dream.

So what do I think of cats who leave the bay to get their money on? Shit, I got much respect for that kinda entrepreneurship. As for the niggaz who sit on their asses out here struggling against all odds with wack product and a self aggrandizing attitude? I gotz NO love.

As for the haters... Well you have to really ask yourself this... are niggaz really hating or are you just wack? You HAVE to be ojective in this situation.
Look at the signs. Is the potential hater a known hater of anything and everything? Then most likely he or she is just hating on you too. Is the potential hater another artist? Then fuck what he says. Shouldn't be asking him anyways. Fame and fortune is not a team sport. Niggaz will not give you your props if they feel it diminishes their shine. Is your potential hater a producer or a DJ? Then open your ears. They have nothing to loose and everything to gain by working with those that they think is hot. If they start avoiding you... you may be wack. Is your potiential hater a fan of your genre of music and bay music in general? Theres about an 80% surety that you are wack. Is your potential hater a family member or friend? You can be 99% sure that you are most likely wack so please give up and get out of the way. It's never too late to find another career. If that doesn't sound appealing, then you can always and go and kill yourself.

In reality, we have only one region that could even be considered our peer in the game and that is Philly. They are near New York but are not considered New York and they do their own thing just as we are near L.A. but not considered L.A. They not only have a independent rap scene but a thriving R&B/Neo Soul Scene as well (not to mention a few National acts as well, such as Common and the Roots). Our problems in the Bay are unique and cannot be measured by other regions successes and failures. Our biggest problems as a collective are that we have too many wannabe artists and not enough fans, a lack of originality, a surplus of arrogance, and an unexplainable and preposterous notion that if we band together as a whole and support EACH OTHER we will pull ourselves out of of the rut we see ourselves in.

The only thing thats gonna bring the bay back is good music. Period. And when I say bring the bay back I don't mean every Tom Dick and Hank is gonna be eatin, cause that there is a myth. it aint never been that way, even in our heyday. What I mean is that we will have national artists again and that the majors might actually view us as place worth looking at.

Until then... for those who want advice on how to come up right here, right now, in The Bay. Here is my opinion.

1. If you're young, stop telling older established and once established artists like 40, Short, C-BO, B-Legit, Richie Rich, Spice 1, 4Tay, Dru Down, The Luniz, and/or anyone you or your parents grew up listening to, to get out of the game and make way for the youngsters. In fact if you see one of these niggaz, give his nuts a firm hug cause if you're a bay area rapper you owe everything to these niggaz for they are the ones who built SOMETHING where NOTHING once stood. You gain nothing by disrespecting them and you only make yourself look like a clown.

2. if you're listening to one of your tracks and it has even the slightest resemblance to something you've heard before, throw it out. Now is the time for originality. Imagine being known as the inventor of the New Bay Area Sound. For those of you who are not that creative: Hyphy is dead. Leave it be. It was a nice attempt but it failed. Go back to making Mobb music and attempt to update the sound. You don't have to rap about killin nobody if that aint what you're about but The rest of the world is still fiendin for that Bay Area Funk that they know and love. They won't play it on the radio but that only means that they'll have to either buy your shit to hear it or download it. As for the downloading problem... Find creative ways to get around it. Example : look up the top 10 internet search words and name each song on your album one of those words. It's gonna be a helluva lot harder to find a song called "Sex" Or "Porn" to download than one called "I Break Bitches".

3. Quit it with the multicolored clothing and shit. What are we Kid & Play here? We are the joke of the industry. It's time to get back to the basics. if you want to be taken seriously then look the part. Historically any Hip Hop rap style based around a clothing style or dance craze has died a painful death. Do the names Hammer, or Vanilla Ice, or Kwame, mean anything to y'all? Turf dancing is cool but don't make songs about it. they'll still dance to it.

4. Get your business in order. If you don't know what you're doing go take a business class. You'll thank me later. Also... try to pay attention to details: for example read back some of these post and look how many misspelled words there are. Am I the only one with a built in spellchecker? Hello? A red underline means it's misspelled. I mean a word here and there misspelled is o.k. but I find it hard to take someone serious who calls them self a businessman but cant spell. Maybe it's just me...

5. I'v'e said this too many times before... stop tryin to make an album off of free shit. Pay what you weigh and you can expect to get quality services. Pay nothing and you cant expect shit.

So there you go... 5 ways to better your chances. By no means is it a total answer to your problems , but its a start... I defy anyone to say that any of these 5 actions will hurt your career. I know it's hard to go against the grain but honestly, what do you have to loose?
 
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Man this is why i started posting on bart n the 1st place glad to see soo much real replies all have good points and great feed back. 1st off DEO you made alot of good points but that list of radio stations that 707 listed are exactly on point and dont give a rats ass about what KMEL plays people need to get back to grinding and quit waiting on VON or kmel to save your career. I had one of the highest spinning songs( A MAN that Goes Selau feat: Goldy federation) on the whole west coast with out ONE kmel spin WYLD launch it and it spread with alot of footwork and going to these markets it worked out. just one example but it takes work and to refer to the person that said you dont need money thats wrong with out money you are more likely to see minimal results. And to the person that listed all the Bay artists putting out disapointing albums are you serious? its millions of people in the Bay you mean to tell me 2% didnt like none of those albums?? what about all the WACK ASS SHIT ON TV!!!!! you gunna tell me soldier boy album was better than Quinn's? or Lil mamas was better than mess? man its too many to name quit it what happened was THEIR region supported! and ours didnt! Soldeier Boy probaly sold more in the bay than any bay artists other than 40 in the whole country! Cmon and its is DEAD compared to EVERYONE else thats on, we have 2 artists in the whole region selling 50k or more! just 2 stop it! Dj Mark 7 you are absoltely right YOU have been a bay support for along time and really want to see us win BUT what about the other 90% of the djs around here who DONT play artists cuz they got talent? or try to break artist on their mixtapes, but WAIT until a artists gets spins on KMEL then try to sell it on a mixtape 1st! these DJS get fuckin free compilation with everybody's single on one album they dont even fuckin BLEND the records no more! I got to run but im a get back to continue keep it up yall
 

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@ 70sav I read All That In Yo Post And 99% of That Is Real Shit I Can Dig It,,,Couldnt Quate It All Cause Woulda Took Up The Hole Page But Preach Brother I Hear You,, You Diffently On Point With That Last Post........
 

MALKI

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man theres a million reasons we in last place right now but i'll say this - nobody support. period. why you think the south is crackin? they support they local artists from jump st.

man you know how hard it is to get ANY love out here in this day and time? fuck i dont care what you doing you aint even gotta RAP - motha fuckas is hating like its no tomarrow. thats FAG SHIT.

i mean look at siccness - a new artist post up they shit trying to get a little constructive critism and they get clowned off the board (now im not saying some cats dont deserve it) but cmon now if you was in they position how would you feel? thats why we dont get none of these bay artists posting here no more they already know its a bunch of dickriders and haters.

berner drops an album with the jack - no secret that he paid him a lot of money and weed - people take him off the album and start downloading the jacka only version and all types of gay shit like that. if you ask me thats a prime example of the mentality out here. shit was funny when it happened but at the end of the day man thats just holding us back.

then we got cats like big von BANNING artists from the radio over some personal shit? what kinda gay ass shit is that fab should slap the shit outa him for pulling some shit like that. thats kid shit we sposed to be grown ass men conducting business out here what the fuck is we thinking?

everyone hating brah everyone is selfish, nobody wanna support nobody, nobody want to buy albums, they want to DOWNLOAD YOUR ALBUM then come on the internet and say how much it sucks.


and last but not least and this is people i PERSONALLY know and grew up with - when people start getting a little rap money or what have you - they get signed get in the game - THEY START TRYING TO BLOCK THEY FRIENDS FROM SHINING. what kinda shit is that brah this shit need to be addressed fast cuz thats the gayest shit ever. u get on u sposed to bring the hood with you not act like you too good now cuz you fuck with so and so and now u bussin moves. it aint shit to go right back to where you came from and when that happen people gon remember that shit and its gon be bad.
 
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First off, comparing The Bay to other regions is like comparing apples to oranges. I hear the term "The South" thrown about in these forums like its a city or somethin', when in all reality it consists of one quarter (if not more) of the entire country (as in "North", "South", "East", "West"????). They have more successful artists simply because they have more artists. New York and LA are entirely different beasts as well, in as much as they have always been seen by the entire country as THE places to go to be discovered in ANY form of entertainment. They are THE Meccas of the Entertainment industry. They succeed simply because their talent pool consists of the entire country's (if not the entire world's) populace of aspiring artists who are either disgruntled with their own regional entertainment centers or are too impatient to wait for the mountain to come to them. As far as the other small regions they're all just waiting for a chance to blow up in their own rite. Historically the ones with the best chance have a few things in common. For one, they're near large bodies of water. Secondly they have what is considered to be a major metropolitan city within it's boundaries. Thirdly they have at least one professional sports team within it's boundaries. In my opinion these areas are ripe for the picking for any enterprising dreamweaver with Bay game who would be willing to uproot themselves for a business opportunity. The same independent game that is saturated here can still be used to full effect somewhere else and the they will be more than happy to hop on board there due to their hunger and lack of know how. Don't get it twisted all of these small regions want badly to blow and all of their artists want to be the ones who put their region on the map. You could help them achieve that dream.

So what do I think of cats who leave the bay to get their money on? Shit, I got much respect for that kinda entrepreneurship. As for the niggaz who sit on their asses out here struggling against all odds with wack product and a self aggrandizing attitude? I gotz NO love.

As for the haters... Well you have to really ask yourself this... are niggaz really hating or are you just wack? You HAVE to be ojective in this situation.
Look at the signs. Is the potential hater a known hater of anything and everything? Then most likely he or she is just hating on you too. Is the potential hater another artist? Then fuck what he says. Shouldn't be asking him anyways. Fame and fortune is not a team sport. Niggaz will not give you your props if they feel it diminishes their shine. Is your potential hater a producer or a DJ? Then open your ears. They have nothing to loose and everything to gain by working with those that they think is hot. If they start avoiding you... you may be wack. Is your potiential hater a fan of your genre of music and bay music in general? Theres about an 80% surety that you are wack. Is your potential hater a family member or friend? You can be 99% sure that you are most likely wack so please give up and get out of the way.
It's never too late to find another career. If that doesn't sound appealing, then you can always and go and kill yourself.

In reality, we have only one region that could even be considered our peer in the game and that is Philly. They are near New York but are not considered New York and they do their own thing just as we are near L.A. but not considered L.A. They not only have a independent rap scene but a thriving R&B/Neo Soul Scene as well (not to mention a few National acts as well, such as Common and the Roots). Our problems in the Bay are unique and cannot be measured by other regions successes and failures. Our biggest problems as a collective are that we have too many wannabe artists and not enough fans, a lack of originality, a surplus of arrogance, and an unexplainable and preposterous notion that if we band together as a whole and support EACH OTHER we will pull ourselves out of of the rut we see ourselves in.

The only thing thats gonna bring the bay back is good music. Period. And when I say bring the bay back I don't mean every Tom Dick and Hank is gonna be eatin, cause that there is a myth. it aint never been that way, even in our heyday. What I mean is that we will have national artists again and that the majors might actually view us as place worth looking at.


Until then... for those who want advice on how to come up right here, right now, in The Bay. Here is my opinion.

1. If you're young, stop telling older established and once established artists like 40, Short, C-BO, B-Legit, Richie Rich, Spice 1, 4Tay, Dru Down, The Luniz, and/or anyone you or your parents grew up listening to, to get out of the game and make way for the youngsters. In fact if you see one of these niggaz, give his nuts a firm hug cause if you're a bay area rapper you owe everything to these niggaz for they are the ones who built SOMETHING where NOTHING once stood. You gain nothing by disrespecting them and you only make yourself look like a clown.

2. if you're listening to one of your tracks and it has even the slightest resemblance to something you've heard before, throw it out. Now is the time for originality. Imagine being known as the inventor of the New Bay Area Sound. For those of you who are not that creative: Hyphy is dead. Leave it be. It was a nice attempt but it failed. Go back to making Mobb music and attempt to update the sound. You don't have to rap about killin nobody if that aint what you're about but The rest of the world is still fiendin for that Bay Area Funk that they know and love. They won't play it on the radio but that only means that they'll have to either buy your shit to hear it or download it. As for the downloading problem... Find creative ways to get around it. Example : look up the top 10 internet search words and name each song on your album one of those words. It's gonna be a helluva lot harder to find a song called "Sex" Or "Porn" to download than one called "I Break Bitches".

3. Quit it with the multicolored clothing and shit. What are we Kid & Play here? We are the joke of the industry. It's time to get back to the basics. if you want to be taken seriously then look the part. Historically any Hip Hop rap style based around a clothing style or dance craze has died a painful death. Do the names Hammer, or Vanilla Ice, or Kwame, mean anything to y'all? Turf dancing is cool but don't make songs about it. they'll still dance to it.

4. Get your business in order. If you don't know what you're doing go take a business class. You'll thank me later. Also... try to pay attention to details: for example read back some of these post and look how many misspelled words there are. Am I the only one with a built in spellchecker? Hello? A red underline means it's misspelled. I mean a word here and there misspelled is o.k. but I find it hard to take someone serious who calls them self a businessman but cant spell. Maybe it's just me...

5. I'v'e said this too many times before... stop tryin to make an album off of free shit. Pay what you weigh and you can expect to get quality services. Pay nothing and you cant expect shit.

So there you go... 5 ways to better your chances. By no means is it a total answer to your problems , but its a start... I defy anyone to say that any of these 5 actions will hurt your career. I know it's hard to go against the grain but honestly, what do you have to loose?
I agree with 95% of everything you've said in this whole thread. Denial of some of these points is a key contributor to the failures of 99% of our artist and the reason why our music scene is on life support.
 

Sydal

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@ 70SAV...

Good response. I didn't think my question would have spawned such an answer, but it's good to see some sense on this board. I think a big problem with cats out here is, they want to blow up on a major scale but they're not willing to compromise ANYTHING in order to do so. In order to get that attention you need to be 100% original, and it MUST be SICK...or you have to give in, make a pop track and then do you after the fact. The problem out here, and in a lot of regions actually, is everybody wants to "do them", but that means doing everybody else around them as well. Every time somebody speaks on getting stupid, there's 100 more artists that are saying the same shit.

So, I definitely feel what you're saying and I'm on the same page as you. Thanks for your insight, and I hope a lot of cats read that shit and put a new plan in motion.
 
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To add to the previous posts. Bay artist please come up wit some better rap names. We have some of the corniest rap names ever. I'm not gonna post any but yall know what I'm talkin about. Remember your image is a very important element in you success as an artist.
 
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its great to see alot of feedback.

its obvious who the people holding back artists are. people claim to be about furthuring the game in the bay area but have nothing to add thinking there on some sort of high mountian. done deal, street cred, golden mean have my support. by them responding says alot about them as PEOPLE. im gonna buy every one of their releases based on the fact they interact with the fans. there needs to be seperation but let your game be the reason, not your PETTY actions. i can listen to songs like everyone else and hear the clowning and disrespect cats have for our next to blow so to speak. its hard to shine but not hard to have common sense. artists need to be just that, consider that your job. let the SQUARES as you label them give you the game to take you to the next level. treat your team correctly. the guy getting your music heard and working the phones and internet are just as important as your half ass music. im not fascinated with the street life because i know what it will get you. theres nothing special about the hood because cats come a dime a dozen. its easy and free to be a fool. i respect the game though. whats special is somebody against all odds making something happen out of nothing literally. understanding their circumstances and keeping themselves humble. im shocked by the game people have in this thread alone. i dont know it all thats for sure, but neither do you, obviously.good people learn from others mistakes, but GREAT individuals learn from everybodys mistakes. im almost tempted to p.m. some real gamers on this board and start a completely new label with some young artists on this board to run circles around some of yall, not all though. finding the artists willing to let THEIR team make the most of their release is the issue. EGOS aside, surround yourself with quality individuals and watch the game change. i can speak from experience.


shoreview shan its all good. i dont knock anyones hustle. get your money. you aint a groupie rapper and thats a good thing. listen to what people are saying because it can only help you. if more than one person tells you something about yourself, take it into consideration.
 
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damn good post^^^^^^^^ and thats what people failed to look everybody is important on a team u got to play your role and support everybody else role and respect what that person does! and if someone gives up his time and/or money and effort to help you pursue your dream be LOYAL to that person! trust i know it took MY hard earned money and time for the next muthafucka to want any of my artists, so i feel like i did something right if i never reach the levels other people have in this game i got alot of it, i love doing it and i got to travel all over the country courtesy of music so im grateful for that at the end of the day i havent worked for anyone else in 10 years
 

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its obvious who the people holding back artists are. people claim to be about furthuring the game in the bay area but have nothing to add thinking there on some sort of high mountian. done deal, street cred, golden mean have my support. by them responding says alot about them as PEOPLE. im gonna buy every one of their releases based on the fact they interact with the fans. there needs to be seperation but let your game be the reason, not your PETTY actions. i can listen to songs like everyone else and hear the clowning and disrespect cats have for our next to blow so to speak. its hard to shine but not hard to have common sense. artists need to be just that, consider that your job. let the SQUARES as you label them give you the game to take you to the next level. treat your team correctly. the guy getting your music heard and working the phones and internet are just as important as your half ass music. im not fascinated with the street life because i know what it will get you. theres nothing special about the hood because cats come a dime a dozen. its easy and free to be a fool. i respect the game though. whats special is somebody against all odds making something happen out of nothing literally. understanding their circumstances and keeping themselves humble. im shocked by the game people have in this thread alone. i dont know it all thats for sure, but neither do you, obviously.good people learn from others mistakes, but GREAT individuals learn from everybodys mistakes. im almost tempted to p.m. some real gamers on this board and start a completely new label with some young artists on this board to run circles around some of yall, not all though. finding the artists willing to let THEIR team make the most of their release is the issue. EGOS aside, surround yourself with quality individuals and watch the game change. i can speak from experience.


shoreview shan its all good. i dont knock anyones hustle. get your money. you aint a groupie rapper and thats a good thing. listen to what people are saying because it can only help you. if more than one person tells you something about yourself, take it into consideration.
Another good post.
 
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right on.

damn good post^^^^^^^^ and thats what people failed to look everybody is important on a team u got to play your role and support everybody else role and respect what that person does! and if someone gives up his time and/or money and effort to help you pursue your dream be LOYAL to that person! trust i know it took MY hard earned money and time for the next muthafucka to want any of my artists, so i feel like i did something right if i never reach the levels other people have in this game i got alot of it, i love doing it and i got to travel all over the country courtesy of music so im grateful for that at the end of the day i havent worked for anyone else in 10 years
aside from a couple of your artists i havent heard of, your team and roster of artists is as strong as they come in the bay. i have been a done deal fan since fully loaded and know your label and team is responsible for alot of your artists success. you guys had things on lock region wise a few years back, and know your gonna make another push real soon with all that talent. im doing my job as a fan and buying the releases as they drop. hopefully others do the same. its nice when you have a job you love.

right on sydal. i lost my passion for the music BUSINESS right when the game(all aspects) started becoming clear to me. i know if i wanted to become involved, that team or label would enjoy a great asset, not a liability. with so much on my plate right now, ill stick to supporting correctly and throwing some words around here with you guys.
 

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EVERYONE JUST NEEDS TO CALM DOWN FOCUS ON QUALITY MUSIC GET IN THE STUDIO WORK WITH YOUR ENGINEER AND MAKE A CLASSIC!!!AND IF YOU CANT AFFORD TO PUT OUT QUALITY HIT ME UP WE INVEST IN A PROJECT OR WHAT NOT IF WE FEEL ITS THE ONE!!!!....GET YOUR BUSINESS GAME UP TO MAKE SURE YOU GET CONTRACTS SO IF SOMTHING GOES DOWN YOU ABLE TO LEAGALLY SUE ITS ALL ABOUT BUSINESS YOU CANT SUCCED UNLESS YOU HAVE THAT STATE OF MIND!!! I FEEL BAD FOR ALL THE YOUNGINS OUT THERE HUSTLIN THEIR MUSIC BUT GET FUCKED OVER CUZ SOMEONE OUTSMARTED THEM!!!
DONT SETTLE FOR LESS WHEN THEIR IS SO MUCH MORE!!LEARN YOUR CRAFT STRIVE FOR PERFECTION THE BAY AS A WHOLE IS ONLY ABOUT 2 YEARS OR SO AWAY FROM ANOTHER OPEN DOOR AND THIS TIME WE GOTA BUM RUSH THAT DOOR WITH ALL THE GREAT MUSIC!! LET OUR MUSIC SPEAK FOR OUR SELF NOT OUR MOUTH AND DISSING THESE REGIONS THE REASON WHY THE SOUTH OR EAST IS ON RIGHT NOW IS SIMPLY GOOD MUSIC GOING ON AND THE RITE BUISNESS

STAND UP FOR WHAT YOU WANT TO DO IS BE LOYAL TO YOUR CRAFT!!!!
THE KEY IS

FIND A PRODUCER TO WORK WITH AND A ENGINEER AND IF YOU GOT TO GO TO SCHOOL TO LEARN THE BUSINESS SIDE!!!!STEP IT UP TO TONE IT DOWN

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I was reading a blog by Donald Trump on business and i'll share that for everyone... It relates to the grind, and hustle of any business including the music business...


Be your future...
Posted by Michael Sexton on 5/6/2008 at 10:01 AM
Posted in Entrepreneurship

Do you love your job, your boss, and all of your co-workers? If not, you are probably not among the ranks of the self-employed.

Self-employed individuals are passionate about their business and work tirelessly to make it a success. When you work for yourself you are not concerned with the time clock and could care less about how many hours per week you are at the office. You do this because you are expending time to grow YOUR business. Make no mistake, you WILL be working more, not less, than you were before. When you aren’t working “in” the business, you will find yourself working “on” the business. It will likely keep you up at night and occupy your free time so you can figure out ways to grow and compete in your industry.

How nice would it be to not have to tip-toe around a boss who doesn’t appreciate your efforts, take credit for your successes and pass blame for his/her mistakes? I will tell you...it’s completely liberating! Every morning you will wake up with only one to please...your customer! Your only focus will need to be on how to attract more and make the ones you have happy enough to come back to you. It sounds easy enough except for the fact that everyone else in your industry has the same game plan. That’s the beautiful challenge in it. You must use every ounce of your creative being to make your company prosper with only you to take credit for the wins or blame yourself for the losses. I would bet you don’t get to do that on your day job now.

Another important decision to make is with whom you decide to surround yourself to help make your company operate. In a small company, it is imperative to have superstars! The reason is because that person represents an enormous fraction of your company as a whole and you can’t afford to expose your customers to “average” or “below-average” support staff. If you can’t find a superstar, then hire a “temp” or do the work yourself till you do. It’s hard to get customers and even harder to get them back!

I encourage you to figure out what it is in your life you want to be when you grow up and then grow up. Do your research carefully and then create a job for yourself. It doesn’t have to necessarily replace your current job at first. You can start some businesses in your free time after work until you can support yourself enough to resign and start your career.

Michael Sexton is President of Trump University.


" Basically it's a way to look at the business side of it as artist, managers, your team and there positions. It's a 24 hour grind always. You eat, sleep, and shit, this music business! The ones that succeed are the one's that keep making songs and keep throwing them at the wall and eventually one will stick for you. The people you surround yourself with, should be people focused on making things happen, not just for you, but for everybody. It's always a team effort, unselfish, and with the best intentions of the artist, label, etc... The more you hustle, the more doors will start to open for you, the artist. You have to attack the industry like it's your job and you want a top position within the company "The music business". Everybody will try to knock you down, but what doesn't break you, will only make you stronger as an artist, a person, a individual. Seperate yourself from others and always do for yourself before others. If you can't do for yourself then you will not be able to do "anything else" for "anyone else", or your music. Just some things to think about.
 

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always do for yourself before others. If you can't do for yourself then you will not be able to do anything else for anyone else, or your music. Just some things to think about.
Now there's someone with the right mindset. As I stated before, fame and fortune is not a team sport. I know a lot of you don't like to hear me say that it is a ridiculous notion to believe that supporting each other will not get us anywhere but it's the truth. Don't get me wrong. I'm not telling you all to hate on the next man, in fact, thats far from what I mean.

Say that somehow you found yourself in the position of doing an interview on BET and they asked you what you thought of The Bay Area music industry. What would you say? Me? I'd would definitely try to shine an extremely positive light on our region, even though many of us know that I'd be more than stretching the truth. Now THAT is the kind of support you'll get from me. If a young cat from The Bay gets at me and asks me for advice on how he can get into the game then I'll do my best to steer him in the right direction. THAT is the kind of support you will get from me. If you ask me where you should go for artwork , who the best photographer is, who is the best engineer, where you should get your business cards printed, then nine times out of ten I'm gonna steer you to someone in The Bay. THAT is the kind of support you will get from me. But.... If you ask me to put you on and you and I both know that you are not qualified, but you still ask me anywayz cause we should "support" each other? Guess what? You gets NADA! If you ask me to go out and pick up your record, NOT because I like your music but because we're from the same soil and we should "support" each other, you know what you get? You getz......NADA! If I get a deal with Sony and you want me to walk you through the door, not because I actually get somethin' out of the deal, but because we both from The Bay and we should "support" each other, Then fuck what you talkin' about, cause you getz NATHAN. If you want me to do ANYTHING for you without proper compensation for my services because were from the same vicinity and we should "support" each other then allow me to wake you up cause you're definitely dreamin Bruh.

If you don't like what I'm sayin then most likely you're one of those people that like to spend their time however they feel, doing anything and everything but workin', but then try to run that "we should support each other" bullshit on those of us who have worked tirelessly to get where we've gotten. If it appears like I'm bitter about having to work so hard while others fuck off, then so be it. You've made your choices and I've made mine.... live wid it. I don't have the time or luxury of worrying about your career cause I got my own problems. Does that make me a hater? I think not.

How come in this industry when times get bad for people they always wanna huddle together but when times are good it's every man for himself? Thats not how it is in nature. In fact it's the exact opposite. It's the survival of the fittest. Well, I'm fit son, and I plan to remain that way cause bad luck is contagious in my book, so I wants nothin' to do with it. If you wanna fuck with me you better have your shit in order, your mind straight, and bread in hand cause if you not bringin nothin to the table other than, "we should support each other" you are shit out of luck....
 

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Now there's someone with the right mindset. As I stated before, fame and fortune is not a team sport. I know a lot of you don't like to hear me say that it is a ridiculous notion to believe that supporting each other will not get us anywhere but it's the truth. Don't get me wrong. I'm not telling you all to hate on the next man, in fact, thats far from what I mean.

Say that somehow you found yourself in the position of doing an interview on BET and they asked you what you thought of The Bay Area music industry. What would you say? Me? I'd would definitely try to shine an extremely positive light on our region, even though many of us know that I'd be more than stretching the truth. Now THAT is the kind of support you'll get from me. If a young cat from The Bay gets at me and asks me for advice on how he can get into the game then I'll do my best to steer him in the right direction. THAT is the kind of support you will get from me. If you ask me where you should go for artwork , who the best photographer is, who is the best engineer, where you should get your business cards printed, then nine times out of ten I'm gonna steer you to someone in The Bay. THAT is the kind of support you will get from me. But.... If you ask me to put you on and you and I both know that you are not qualified, but you still ask me anywayz cause we should "support" each other? Guess what? You gets NADA! If you ask me to go out and pick up your record, NOT because I like your music but because we're from the same soil and we should "support" each other, you know what you get? You getz......NADA! If I get a deal with Sony and you want me to walk you through the door, not because I actually get somethin' out of the deal, but because we both from The Bay and we should "support" each other, Then fuck what you talkin' about, cause you getz NATHAN. If you want me to do ANYTHING for you without proper compensation for my services because were from the same vicinity and we should "support" each other then allow me to wake you up cause you're definitely dreamin Bruh.

If you don't like what I'm sayin then most likely you're one of those people that like to spend their time however they feel, doing anything and everything but workin', but then try to run that "we should support each other" bullshit on those of us who have worked tirelessly to get where we've gotten. If it appears like I'm bitter about having to work so hard while others fuck off, then so be it. You've made your choices and I've made mine.... live wid it. I don't have the time or luxury of worrying about your career cause I got my own problems. Does that make me a hater? I think not.

How come in this industry when times get bad for people they always wanna huddle together but when times are good it's every man for himself? Thats not how it is in nature. In fact it's the exact opposite. It's the survival of the fittest. Well, I'm fit son, and I plan to remain that way cause bad luck is contagious in my book, so I wants nothin' to do with it. If you wanna fuck with me you better have your shit in order, your mind straight, and bread in hand cause if you not bringin nothin to the table other than, "we should support each other" you are shit out of luck....
HAHA...AMEN!
 

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Now there's someone with the right mindset. As I stated before, fame and fortune is not a team sport. I know a lot of you don't like to hear me say that it is a ridiculous notion to believe that supporting each other will not get us anywhere but it's the truth. Don't get me wrong. I'm not telling you all to hate on the next man, in fact, thats far from what I mean.

Say that somehow you found yourself in the position of doing an interview on BET and they asked you what you thought of The Bay Area music industry. What would you say? Me? I'd would definitely try to shine an extremely positive light on our region, even though many of us know that I'd be more than stretching the truth. Now THAT is the kind of support you'll get from me. If a young cat from The Bay gets at me and asks me for advice on how he can get into the game then I'll do my best to steer him in the right direction. THAT is the kind of support you will get from me. If you ask me where you should go for artwork , who the best photographer is, who is the best engineer, where you should get your business cards printed, then nine times out of ten I'm gonna steer you to someone in The Bay. THAT is the kind of support you will get from me. But.... If you ask me to put you on and you and I both know that you are not qualified, but you still ask me anywayz cause we should "support" each other? Guess what? You gets NADA! If you ask me to go out and pick up your record, NOT because I like your music but because we're from the same soil and we should "support" each other, you know what you get? You getz......NADA! If I get a deal with Sony and you want me to walk you through the door, not because I actually get somethin' out of the deal, but because we both from The Bay and we should "support" each other, Then fuck what you talkin' about, cause you getz NATHAN. If you want me to do ANYTHING for you without proper compensation for my services because were from the same vicinity and we should "support" each other then allow me to wake you up cause you're definitely dreamin Bruh.

If you don't like what I'm sayin then most likely you're one of those people that like to spend their time however they feel, doing anything and everything but workin', but then try to run that "we should support each other" bullshit on those of us who have worked tirelessly to get where we've gotten. If it appears like I'm bitter about having to work so hard while others fuck off, then so be it. You've made your choices and I've made mine.... live wid it. I don't have the time or luxury of worrying about your career cause I got my own problems. Does that make me a hater? I think not.

How come in this industry when times get bad for people they always wanna huddle together but when times are good it's every man for himself? Thats not how it is in nature. In fact it's the exact opposite. It's the survival of the fittest. Well, I'm fit son, and I plan to remain that way cause bad luck is contagious in my book, so I wants nothin' to do with it. If you wanna fuck with me you better have your shit in order, your mind straight, and bread in hand cause if you not bringin nothin to the table other than, "we should support each other" you are shit out of luck....
some of the shit u said i feel - but thats the mentality that brings a lot of animosity and jealousy to this game. people get killed over shit like that everyday ima say it one time "everybody aint eatin b" so if they catch you on that high horse best belive them some lil hungry motha fucka gon knock you smooth off.

now i aint sayin dont go for yours and some motha fucka just wanna come along for the ride its all bad - no freeloaders b you gotta carry your own weight, but when cats is just got the fuck you attitude all the time and AS SOON as they get a little something they switch up - we cant be havin that out here b. this aint hollywood bitch aint no movie stars out here, thats why cats respect 40 and the jack and people like that they actually go to the hood they helpin people out even dude from richmond with the stay in school shit he trying to do the right thing.

as much as you say it aint a team sport it is because we all know u cant do this shit on your own you need a solid foundation to build on and you cant do that if everyone busy trying to down the next man. you gotta have people behind you pushin for you we need the whole bay pushin if this crab in the bucket mentality keeps up then we all gettin cooked.