Oscar De La Hoya VS. FLoyd Mayweather Jr..

[miggidy]

Unless you were counting all the punches and power punches your self and feel that you're qualified enough to out rule the official on this, then maybe you should actually refer to the punch stats when discussing who landed more shots..

You're now suggesting that you don't count punches landed, then under what criteria do you judge a round?
I see that you're basing your judgement on punch stats scores.
Which is not what professional judges do.
I judge the fight depending on what I see for myself.
Punch stats are just as subjective as a judges decision.

Also it's only smart that a smaller Mayweather used his boxing skill instead of brainlessly brawling like some angry street fighter with a grudge. He showed discipline and out smarted an overrated and sluggish De La Hoya.. In a rematch like I said, he'd embarrass him worse, people should just hope it won't be on Ceasar Chavez' birthday..

I am not questionning Floyd's gameplan. I am questionning the execution of his gameplan
He may have done enough to win a close decision but it wasn't the domination that you make it to be.

 

[ParkBoyz]

The points that you made against some of Oscar's most notable wins can be made for these common opponents you speak of.
Oscar was the first to beat an undefeated Hernandez. Which I find very interesting that you failed to mention him.
Floyd beat him a few years later (impressive win for him even though Chicanito wasn't as good as he once had been).
And Gatti?

Haha, you're still not making a case for De La Hoya not being overratted, because the fact still stands that every person who De La Hoya has had a notable win over, so has Mayweather. They both beat Hernandez and they both beat Gatti.. I didn't mention Hernandez because he isn't notable, no long longevity, he was good once upon a time, like Gatti.

First off he was a blown up Jr. Middleweigt when De La Hoya beat him so Oscar did what he had to do with him.
If you though Gatti was finished when he fought De La Hoya, in what condition was he in when he fought Mayweather? A fighter who was a very bad match up in terms of styles to begin with.

The point is that they both beat Gatti, De La Hoya beating him a few years earlier makes him no more credible, because ultimately Floyd and De La Hoya faced each other apparently to see whose wins actually meant something, imo it was Floyd's..

As for Floyd chasing De La Hoya....
Lets say that this belief that holds no weight is true, just for the sake of argument. How do you know De La Hoya is afraid of him? That is the point you're trying to make after all. Which is pointless because they just finished fighting.

^How would I know if De La Hoya was afraid, I'm only pointing out that Floyd wasn't afraid of him..

I brought up Jones because he's often been said to be the best of our generation and the argument against that is that he hasn't fought that many good fighters. I was comparing him to Mayweather, I wonder how Mayweather's record would look like if he fought as many good fighters as De La Hoya. You on the other hand just finished saying that Mayweather has fought many of the same opponents that De La Hoya has faced.
There were only two common opponents and I just mentioned them....

^Roy Jones was one of the best in our era, the argument for that is that he's beaten everybody from Middle Weight to Light Heavy and even got a Heavy Weight title.. He simply fell off in the last few fights.. I'll admit that he's been overrated a bit also, but his resume speaks for its self.. http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=001758

Like I said, you can wonder about Mayweather's record all you want, the fact is that he beat De La Hoya and if De La Hoya and his competition were so tough, he should of beaten Mayweather.. They both fought a lot of the same people, and when they met Floyd won again, he's always been the better fighter, there's no evidence against that statement and evidence for it.

 

[ParkBoyz]

You're now suggesting that you don't count punches landed, then under what criteria do you judge a round?
I see that you're basing your judgement on punch stats scores.
Which is not what professional judges do.
I judge the fight depending on what I see for myself.
Punch stats are just as subjective as a judges decision.

This is a straw man argument, I'm accusing you of only counting Oscar's missed punches (as punches) and disregarding Floyd's. I'm accusing you of calling the punch stats a lie and conspiracy, since they clearly show who won the fight and how. Then you turn around and say Judges don't score by punch stats, yet you ignore the fact that the judges ultimately scored it for Floyd. And your point is? You call the Judges decision subjective, what is your non-expert, emotional driven opinion then? Your bias is obvious (as can be inferred from your irrational argument), you just don't want to accept it..

I am not questionning Floyd's gameplan. I am questionning the execution of his gameplan
He may have done enough to win a close decision but it wasn't the domination that you make it to be.

Like someone on HBO boxing said, you can criticize the winner all you want and call Floyd a runner, but at the end of the day he wasn't running. Getting out the way and coming back to score punches and power punches isn't "running", it's kicking ass. De La Hoya "ran" at the end of the Trinidad fight.. Floyd won easy, Hoya did nothing...

 

[Tony]

What did De La Hoya do besides throw flurries (while missing damn near 80% of his punches) while Floyd was on the ropes?

 

[L.K.D]

i tought floyd said it was going to be a ''MASSACRE''????

 

[miggidy]

Haha, you're still not making a case for De La Hoya not being overratted, because the fact still stands that every person who De La Hoya has had a notable win over, so has Mayweather. They both beat Hernandez and they both beat Gatti.. I didn't mention Hernandez because he isn't notable, no long longevity, he was good once upon a time, like Gatti.

I don't need to make the case for De La Hoya, he already has made it for himself (Hernandez, Ruelas, Quartey, Trinidad, Mosley in the rematch, and Whitaker although he was past his prime, at least DLH fought him while others ducked him).
The only problem is that a hater will never give him any credit.

The point is that they both beat Gatti, De La Hoya beating him a few years earlier makes him no more credible, because ultimately Floyd and De La Hoya faced each other apparently to see whose wins actually meant something, imo it was Floyd's..

And the point you missed is that beating Gatti is pointless....

How would I know if De La Hoya was afraid, I'm only pointing out that Floyd wasn't afraid of him..

Who said Floyd was afraid?

^Roy Jones was one of the best in our era, the argument for that is that he's beaten everybody from Middle Weight to Light Heavy and even got a Heavy Weight title.. He simply fell off in the last few fights.. I'll admit that he's been overrated a bit also, but his resume speaks for its self.. http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=001758

Roy was definately one of the best, I'll agree that much.
But he's a victim of circumstances.

Like I said, you can wonder about Mayweather's record all you want, the fact is that he beat De La Hoya and if De La Hoya and his competition were so tough, he should of beaten Mayweather.. They both fought a lot of the same people, and when they met Floyd won again, he's always been the better fighter, there's no evidence against that statement and evidence for it.

I didn't see any evidence of Floyd being the better fighter on Saturday night.
I saw that De La Hoya may have been the better of the two, but he refused to handle his business. Floyd on the other hand didn't even fight hard enough to try to prove his point of being the best p4p.
The only thing that can clear this up for the most part is a rematch.

This is a straw man argument, I'm accusing you of only counting Oscar's missed punches (as punches) and disregarding Floyd's. I'm accusing you of calling the punch stats a lie and conspiracy, since they clearly show who won the fight and how. Then you turn around and say Judges don't score by punch stats, yet you ignore the fact that the judges ultimately scored it for Floyd. And your point is? You call the Judges decision subjective, what is your non-expert, emotional driven opinion then? Your bias is obvious (as can be inferred from your irrational argument), you just don't want to accept it..

Subjective:
3 a: characteristic of or belonging to reality as perceived rather than as independent of mind.
4 a (1): peculiar to a particular individual : personal <subjective judgments>.
(2): modified or affected by personal views, experience, or background
<a subjective account of the incident>.
b: arising from conditions within the brain or sense organs and not directly caused by external stimuli <subjective sensations>.
c: arising out of or identified by means of one's perception of one's own states and processes <a subjective symptom of disease>.

Soak the definition of the word subjective for a while.
Now go back and re-read my post.

Back again? Re-read the definition 7 times 7 times 7.
Re-read my post one last time.
Only respond to my post once you have come to an understanding of the word "subjective".

Like someone on HBO boxing said, you can criticize the winner all you want and call Floyd a runner, but at the end of the day he wasn't running. Getting out the way and coming back to score punches and power punches isn't "running", it's kicking ass. De La Hoya "ran" at the end of the Trinidad fight.. Floyd won easy, Hoya did nothing...

I'm ok with running as long as you win enough rounds to earn a decision in your favor. Floyd failed to win enough rounds to call it an easy victory....

 

[ParkBoyz]

i tought floyd said it was going to be a ''MASSACRE''????

I thought De La Hoya said he was going to win period?

 

[Tony]

On the real it's just what De La Hoya gets... He wanted to brawl and Floyd just outboxed him.

I don't know if he can go down as one of the greatest now. He lost to Trinidad, Mosely twice, Hopkins, and now Mayweather.

Mayweather has lost to? Nobody!

 

[eff suckaz]

i am amazed at the effort some of you put in refuting someone else's statement. its not that important.

 

[siccness-user]

Yes, apparently so, your people are recognized as roaches.. By law they are not supposed to be able to share the same water as me, sit in the same seat on the bus (let alone get on), get a job, or even be here to begin with. So in that aspect yes, definitely, you're a slave.. Personally I have no connected burden because my past doesn't reflect my current situation and I was raised with opportunities like all other "real" citizens...

"ex-slaves Vs. Border Hoppers"

let the Match Begin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Triple Threat]

pinpoint accuracy

Jim Lampley: "Great left hook from De La Hoya!" <_<

pickin him apart and displaying defensive excellence at the same time

one of the many flurries that had the crowd in a frenzy -_-

damn near knocked that nigga out...but he doesn't have any power ^_^

Split decision?

Shit was a light workout

 

[MOREBASS]

Thank you, those who are still acting like there's some sort of controversy or that it was a "close" fight are delusional. Since when did sensible people start disagreeing with the punch stats and the judges, let alone their own eyes if they watched the fight? Also if there was a rematch then yes, Floyd would either beat him by a bigger margin or knock him out similar to the two Vargas/Mosley fights..

Judges don't give points based on punch stats. They are supposed to base points on EFFECTIVE AGGRESSION. I'm a huge Floyd fan, and have been following him for years, since before he was headlining PPV bouts.


Alright, since your so stuck on trying to discredit Oscar's career, here's a breakdown...

130 Pounds

Titles: Mayweather (World Champion 1998-2002); De la Hoya (WBO belt 1994)
Notable Foes: Mayweather (Genaro Hernandez, Angel Manfredy, Diego Corrales, Jesus Chavez). De La Hoya (None…or Jimmi Bredahl)
Advantage: Mayweather

^ 130 was easily Floyd's 'claim to fame' and the best run of his career. Floyd was unfuckwidable @ 130, and might have been one of the best to ever hold the title down in that weight division...shit...maybe even THE BEST ever.


135 Pounds

Titles: Mayweather (World Champion 2002-2004); De la Hoya (WBO 1994-95, IBF 1995)
Notable Foes: Mayweather (Jose Luis Castillo). De la Hoya (Jorge Paez, John-John Molina, Rafael Ruelas, Genaro Hernandez, Jesse James Leija)
Advantage: Push



^ Floyd had probably the best win @ 135, but at the same time, he lost the first fight with Castillo. Hands down. Also, Floyd ducked Stevie Johnston, who would have more than given Floyd a run for his money.

140 Pounds

Titles: Mayweather (WBC belt 2005); De la Hoya (World Champion 1996-97)
Notable Foes: Mayweather (DeMarcus Corley, Arturo Gatti). De la Hoya (Julio Cesar Chavez, Miguel Angel Gonzalez)
Advantage: De La Hoya


^ Oscar easily faced the better opposition @ 140. And Floyd fought who ? Arturo Gatti...? DeMarcus Corley...? LMAO...and if you saw the fight with Chop Chop, you would see that he rocked Floyd several times throughout that fight. Not to mention. Oh yeah, Floyd ducked Kostya Tszyu and Ricky Hatton. Probably the two most worthy opponents in the division.
147 Pounds

Titles: Mayweather (World Champion 2006-Present); De La Hoya (World Champion 1997-99; WBC belt 2000)
Notable Foes: Mayweather (Zab Judah, Carlos Baldomir). De la Hoya (Pernell Whitaker, Julio Cesar Chavez, Ike Quartey, Oba Carr, Felix Trinidad, Shane Mosley, Arturo Gatti)
Advantage: De La Hoya, no question about it.



^ No need to explain here, Oscar faced everyone who was anyone @ 147. Sure, he didn't win all of 'em, but the point is that he didn't duck them, he took on all challengers. Thats what a Champ does !

Oscar above 147

Titles: 154 lb. World Title (2001-03); WBC belt 2006-Present; WBO belt at 160 lbs. (2004)
Notable Foes: Javier Castillejo, Fernando Vargas, Shane Mosley, Felix Sturm, Bernard Hopkins, Ricardo Mayorga.

^ All world class opponents, again. Not all victories, but Oscar had the balls to take them all on, no questions asked. So as you can see, Oscar clearly has faced the better opposition. Sure, he did pick up a few L's, but you know what ? So might have Floyd if he had faced the top . But instead, he took the easy route.


Not to take anything away from Floyd, again, I've been following his career since before he was headlining PPV bouts. I'm just saying, Oscar is no slouch, and he's probably the greatest fighter of our generation, regardless of what happened on Cinco De Mayo.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

damn near knocked that nigga out...but he doesn't have any power ^_^

Split decision?

Shit was a light workout

Yep, I remember when Oscar's legs buckled!

 

[|GOD|||ZILLA|]

stolen.. HA.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

I stole that shit too haha

 

[Don Hollywood Godzilla]

All bullshit aside, neither of them would take a piece of Winky Wright =)

 

[2-0-Sixx]

hopkins is bout to!

 

[Don Hollywood Godzilla]

lol man hell nah, Winky's a perfectionist counter puncher, even more so than Hopkins and he 's way more effective and efficient with the combos. Watch for a UD.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

Pffft. Hopkins is a perfectionist at just about everything in the ring. And at 42 years old he'll still work Winky.

Don't get me wrong, Winky is a good fighter, excellent defense, but Hopkins is too and even better. B-hop by KO

 

[MOREBASS]

B-Hop owns southpaws. 10-0 against them in his career. Might be 11-0...but for sure...10. Plus, B-Hop's ring generalship is unmatched, and his boxing IQ is too.

Winky is no slouch, but he's gonna have a hard time throwing that jab with the straight right in his grill all night.