Is it Possible to Sell 100K+ in the NW?

[Dirty Shoez]

Now Im not saying I know the answers to whats wrong in the NW, but Tadou, what makes you qualified to know? This is a serious question so dont take it as slander.

This isn't about qualifications (of which you also have none, but i don't even need to go that angle.)

This is about me putting out ideas, and other people having zero ideas but a little pocketfull of experience, so they point to their little jeans and suddenly think they can negate everything i said.



If you have some of your ownn ideas, lets see them. I am not a hater like most people here (whether they admit it or not). I WILL work with your ideas (Who gave BTruth the NWStreets idea? Wasn't one of these so-called "veterans"). I WILL tell you the good and the bad, instead of sitting back and calling you an idiot and saying you're a slacker who won't ever sell.....I WILL help out, because i ENJOY challenges and i ENJOY making things work.

If you don't like my ideas.....provide some other ones to replace them. Don't just sit back and talk shit--explain why your ideas are better. If i'm talking about doing a TV show on cable, then speak up, and talk about how your idea of doing them on DVD is better. If you don't like my saying "Buying Bay features is a bad idea for a debut NW album", SPEAK UP, and explain why they can be a good investment.


Option 3, which people seem to always pick when confronted with the alien concept of discussing a topic instead of just throwing insults.....if you are going to slander my ideas (and not have your own ideas to replace them), be prepared to defend that. Don't just type out one little post with a whole lot of "i been in da game for 10 years, U??" attitude, then turn the conversation into a flame war about who has done what and who hasn't. -- Debate the ISSUES; NOT the PEOPLE.

If all else fails.....SHUT THE FUCK UP. Is this such a novel concept?


The bottom line is that I HAVE sold albums (pressed up, not CD-R), and I HAVE done shows. If my ideas make sense, I shouldn't NEED to run around spouting off my resume. In fact, i should NEVER have to say this stuff (check my website and Myspace...it aint there). -- But there's ALWAYS somebody that wants to act like a fucking Rap Nazi and demand to see my Rap ID Badge, and its pathetic.



If you want to discuss Tadou/Dirty Shoez....I IMPLORE YOU....make an "@Dirty Shoez" thread, and vent all you want. But leave threads like these to the people who are trying to start a dialogue and improve things.

 

[DJ Coma]

Wow, even after I tell you I was asking in a serious manner you find it necessary to get all negative and talk shit about me when I was keeping it real trying to see your point of view. Who are you to say I have no qualifications? Do you even know anything about me?

 

[BIGGTRUB]

I HIT THE STREETS FOR 4 YRS AND HAVENT BEEN ABLE TO SELL 1500 UNITS SO IM FIGURING MY SHIT AINT RIGHT NOT THE NORTHWEST AINT RIGHT... CUZ ITS DA SAME EVERYWHERE.. IF YA SHIT AINT TIGHT , YA GAME AINT RIGHT, LIKE MINZ, YOU WONT GET NOTHIN OUT OF THE INDUSTRY...

 

[KALYN]

Awww, Kalyn looks mad.

... lol.. its not me thats mad Tadpole.

I dont need to break down who I work with, what I do or how much money I make doin' it.. nor do I need to furiously type out 52 pages of assumptions hoping someone will side with me.

Theres no need for me to provide you with any type of validation.. you dont matter.

 

[Cool Nutz]

The main point on here is that you have people that haven't even sold 300 albums trying to give people advice on how to sell 100,000 records. If you never got any pussy, you can't tell anyone how to fuck a broad. It's simple as that.

There are people on here who have never seriously even done any music business, never pressed a CD, never sent out a promo package, never met with a radio station, never got out and even promoted an album, and never done plenty of other things related to selling a record. So how in the hell can someone know what it takes to sell 100,000 units?

It's funny to see all of these comments from people, and the best thing that they can come up with is put together a super group and that will reenergize the NW, and we will sell 100,000 units. You can sell 100,000 units in the NW, you just need the plan and the financial resources. This is what it will take. Oh yeah, like I said before, the right song is the key as well.

Until the NW radio stations in all markets support local music it will never happen. It will take paper to make this happen. It will take a hot song to make this happen, and it will take a strong promotional campaign as well.

Learn about the record business before you get on here talking about what it takes to make it happen. Understand the task of even selling 1000 records. I mean selling 1000 records, not giving them away.

You can The Ultimate Hustler all you want, read all the books you want, and watch every hip-hop DVD ever made. You still have to stand out front the club promoting your product, rock a show, and a number of other things before you can fully understand what it takes to sell some records. And this is the truth, not just because I think I am in the game.

 

[DJ Coma]

It's funny to see all of these comments from people, and the best thing that they can come up with is put together a super group and that will reenergize the NW, and we will sell 100,000 units. You can sell 100,000 units in the NW, you just need the plan and the financial resources. This is what it will take. Oh yeah, like I said before, the right song is the key as well.

Ya that super group shit was not going anywhere. I mean when was the last time you saw a group blow up without one of their members being solo and blowing first? Sure it has happened but when people blow up, 9/10 its solo. Enough money can make almost anything happen, and thats not just with music.

 

[Dirty Shoez]

Cool Nutz. How nice to see you. I take it you took offense at my Status Quo/Dinosaur comments.

The main point on here is that you have people that haven't even sold 300 albums trying to give people advice on how to sell 100,000 records. If you never got any pussy, you can't tell anyone how to fuck a broad. It's simple as that.

1...Tell that to a Priest, who has never had sex or even a girlfriend and gives people advice on marriage and how to make sex with their wife.

2...I mean, see above. If it makes sense, don't be such a closed-minded bumblefuck and denounce the priest for being a virgin--you're the only one that's going to sound stupid.

Alexander the Great.....just about speaks for himself. The man didn't need to be 30 or 40 years old to conquor half the known world. Sometimes, its not all about experience and connects and hook-ups and "game" and all this other smoke-screen bullshit.

There are people on here who have never seriously even done any music business, never pressed a CD, never sent out a promo package, never met with a radio station, never got out and even promoted an album, and never done plenty of other things related to selling a record. So how in the hell can someone know what it takes to sell 100,000 units?

And that disqualifies them from being able to have a viable plan to make these things happen?

A TV show can ONLY sound good and be possible coming from someone who has sold 15K units? -- A mixtape series can ONLY be good coming from a DJ who has spun for X amount of years and been on ___ and ___ Radio shows?

Get real. We're all acting like ants scurrying around, bragging about who has the biggest piece of crumb on their back, and its pathetic. It's time to start getting and even baking our own bread, and with your negative ass attitude you are going to alienate a lot of people.

It's funny to see all of these comments from people, and the best thing that they can come up with is put together a super group and that will reenergize the NW, and we will sell 100,000 units. You can sell 100,000 units in the NW, you just need the plan and the financial resources. This is what it will take. Oh yeah, like I said before, the right song is the key as well.

Supergroup........Money.

I'd like to think a Supergroup would energize the people more than just throwing money in their face and buying 150 radio and magazine ads until they're so sick of seeing your face they buy your album in hopes you'll finally shut the fuck up and go away.

If you want to flood the town with money, good luck. Go find some rich White man to give you his slave money, and we'll see what you do, paying for ad time so you can shuffle your feet in blackface for the consumers. Me myself, I will continue to be on the look-out for a Supergroup (e.g., IK2 would have qualified) to get behind and support.

Until the NW radio stations in all markets support local music it will never happen. It will take paper to make this happen. It will take a hot song to make this happen, and it will take a strong promotional campaign as well.

So I'm going to translate this as, It won't take phone requests; it won't take a mixtape series catching fire; it won't take organizing a syndicated radio show among college radio stations; etc etc.

According to you, it will take a hot song. Period. It will be a hot song, and the song will be hot and well backed with money, and it will be so hot and expensive, everyone will instantly love it. And then it will blow up the NW and that artist will sell 100,000 copies with ease.

Forgive me for holding my amateur babbling above your veteran rhetoric.....but I like my plan better than yours.

Learn about the record business before you get on here talking about what it takes to make it happen. Understand the task of even selling 1000 records. I mean selling 1000 records, not giving them away.

More cheap shots coming from a man who either has no ideas, or is too stingy to share them with the masses because he has such an inflated ego.

You can The Ultimate Hustler all you want, read all the books you want, and watch every hip-hop DVD ever made. You still have to stand out front the club promoting your product, rock a show, and a number of other things before you can fully understand what it takes to sell some records. And this is the truth, not just because I think I am in the game.

You are indeed in the game. But you need to understand that ideas are ideas.

I am not sitting here saying, I, Tadou, and my subjective artwork, am going to take over the masses and sell thousands of records.

I am trying to outline common sense plans and strategies, and you are sitting back, acting like a Fat Cat and shooting everything down.

You may be happy with TV shows that feature 1/3 NW music, and the rest backpacker and mainstream shit. You may be happy with mixtapes that feature 3 NW artists and 23 Juelz Santana and Young Jeezy songs. I am not.


The break down:

You are so focused on money and budgets and cash and making a profit, you cannot even comprehend how it is possible to do things for free or cheap, and do a lot of damage. You have grown to equate SPENDING MONEY with SUCCESS, and BUYING THINGS with EXPERIENCE.

Even the Great Cool Nutz needs to learn that this rap shit is more than just throwing money at people and expecting to buy their support.

 

[Dirty Shoez]

Wow, even after I tell you I was asking in a serious manner you find it necessary to get all negative and talk shit about me when I was keeping it real trying to see your point of view. Who are you to say I have no qualifications? Do you even know anything about me?

Well, that depends.

Do you feel the need to spout off and bully people with your resume so you will be respected, or are you able to stand on your feet and defend your ideas regardless of your credentials (or lack thereof)?

... lol.. its not me thats mad Tadpole.

I dont need to break down who I work with, what I do or how much money I make doin' it.. nor do I need to furiously type out 52 pages of assumptions hoping someone will side with me.

Theres no need for me to provide you with any type of validation.. you dont matter.

It's not my fault the only thing you're qualified to do is pass out flyers, write articles, and say "ill holla @ you" to every random artist on Siccness and RapTalk.

You have no ideas. You are empty. You could be replaced by just about anyone. All you do is gossip on the phone and scribble words, and that is all you are capable of. You are only of use because of your location, and your willingness to work for peanuts and perks (whether you'll admit it or not.)

Ya that super group shit was not going anywhere. I mean when was the last time you saw a group blow up without one of their members being solo and blowing first? Sure it has happened but when people blow up, 9/10 its solo. Enough money can make almost anything happen, and thats not just with music.

.....

D4L. They have a hot song right now, I don't know if you've heard it in the last week or so. I have.....about 50,000 times.

Dem Franchize Boys. I don't know the kind of ill shit they play out in Montana, but here in Washington, they were playing White Tee as well.

Let's see.

N2Deep, one of the (*AHEM AHEM*) first Bay Area acts to get a plaque.

Digital Underground...Naughty By Nature...UGK...blah blah.

And we can go on and on with this, but you wouldn't listen. Cool Nutz is your pal and anything he says is perfect and flawless and not open to argument.

 

[Shaniac]

The Goon Sqwad

 

[KALYN]

You are so focused on money and budgets and cash and making a profit, you cannot even comprehend how it is possible to do things for free or cheap, and do a lot of damage. You have grown to equate SPENDING MONEY with SUCCESS, and BUYING THINGS with EXPERIENCE.

Do you REALLY believe this statement? If so youre even more ignorant than I initially thought... wow.

FREE..? CHEAP..? .. lol...

Do you have a JOB Tadou? ..meaning.. are you employed? Do you receive a paycheck.. do you put in work.. do you GRIND for FREE?

This whole idea of "music" for you is a hobby... for the rest of us.. we are EMPLOYED- meaning we receive checks.


You've mentioned that my phone calls wont stop people from working with you and I spend my time "gossiping" on the phone... (that kind of made me giggle.. ) ..what are we talkin' about..?

 

[KALYN]

You are only of use because of your location, and your willingness to work for peanuts and perks (whether you'll admit it or not.)

... that reminds me.. you wanna do a show out here Tad..? .. lol ...

 

[LISICKI]

The main point on here is that you have people that haven't even sold 300 albums trying to give people advice on how to sell 100,000 records. If you never got any pussy, you can't tell anyone how to fuck a broad. It's simple as that.

You still have to stand out front the club promoting your product, rock a show, and a number of other things before you can fully understand what it takes to sell some records. And this is the truth.

It dont get no REALER than that!

 

[DJ Coma]

Well, that depends.

Do you feel the need to spout off and bully people with your resume so you will be respected, or are you able to stand on your feet and defend your ideas regardless of your credentials (or lack thereof)?

D4L. They have a hot song right now, I don't know if you've heard it in the last week or so. I have.....about 50,000 times.

Dem Franchize Boys. I don't know the kind of ill shit they play out in Montana, but here in Washington, they were playing White Tee as well.

Let's see.

N2Deep, one of the (*AHEM AHEM*) first Bay Area acts to get a plaque.

Digital Underground...Naughty By Nature...UGK...blah blah.

And we can go on and on with this, but you wouldn't listen. Cool Nutz is your pal and anything he says is perfect and flawless and not open to argument.

Look dude just forget about the comment I made earlier, I put that disclaimer on it so that you wouldnt take it the wrong way but you still did. I was never boasting my resume, I even said Im not saying I have the answers to these questions and never said i was "qualified." I simply wanted to know why I should believe in your ideas, over the ideas of these other people who you were going against. That's all it was, I never said you weren't qualified or were too inexperienced to know whats up. Once again though, you don't know me and I don't feel the need to put any of my "credentials" out there as I have not boasted them or "bullyed" anybody with them but keep making false claims.

As for the groups, N2Deep, Digital Underground, etc. I don't consider those groups an arguement in this because that was WAY back, and the industry has changed a lot since then. Dem Franchize Boys, counts to me and so does D4L, even though we probably and hopefully will never hear from them again haha. I never said it didn't happen though, but Im saying the likelihood of a group blowing is way less than a solo artist. These are solos who blew up in say the last 8 years who had to blow to bring their groups or other artists on their label up.

Nelly (St. Lunatics)
50 Cent (G-Unit)
Cam'ron (Dipset)
Lil Jon (Half the muthafuckaz in the South)
Ludacris (UTP Artists)
Eminem (D-12)
DMX (Ruff Ryders)
Juvenile (Cash Money)
Ja Rule (Murder Inc)
Fat Joe (Terror Squad)

Now here's just straight up solo artists who blew.
Kanye West
Cassidy
TI
Lil Flip
Mike Jones
David Banner
Paul Wall
Trick Daddy
Fabolous

That's just off the top of my head. I will reiterate that I never said it was impossible for the group to straight up blow, it just hasn't happened as much lately as it once did.

If you want an idea out of me so that I can contribute something to the cause well here it is. Besides money, I think you have to get noticed and hold some kind of weight OUTSIDE of the NW to sell good IN the NW. IMO a lot of the NW artists don't get the respect they deserve locally because nobody outside the NW gives a fuck about them and that's where it "matters" to these people. I could go on with this but I think you get where it's going. Shoot it down if you please, never said it was a good idea, just something that came to mind.

As for the Cool Nutz comment. IMO he is the one making the biggest moves in the NW. Im not dickriding either because I met him a few times yada yada yada. I have witnessed first hand some of the hard work he puts in to be in the position where he is at right now, so I got respect for dude. For example, there was a Too Short show here and Cool Nutz and Jus Fam were the middle act. You know what Too Short concerts bring? Plenty of hoes! He could have mingled with the audience trying to find a piece of ass for the night and it wouldn't have been hard. Instead, him and his crew set up a booth and sold cd's for 2-3 hours. They were also handing out free mixtapes. I don't see that happen too much. Because of this, HELLA people know about him here. There was a time 3 years ago when I think I was one of like 4 people that knew about him here. Everytime he comes here the crowds are bigger and bigger and he was successful at establishing a fan base here because of the work he puts in. Pick me apart for this if you like, but that's the truth.

 

[inasense206]

tadou... youre actin stupid.. same with you kalyn.. you guys always get into these stupid ass arguments.. take your saddles and go ride elsewhere

and i agree with Cool Nutz here, you may have sold out of your last album in your city and sold a few copies here and there outside of your city, but you are telling us that this is how to make it and this is how its done? and youve sold MAYBE 600 copies at that? c'mon tadou dont be stupid

and now youre startin shit with people who asked you a serious question... hey... i got an idea.. shove your head up your ass a little more and maybe you'll find your heart... you talk shit everytime you come on here which is like every 6-8months or so.. start some shit with some people.. record a diss... bitch about it for a minute then bounce.. history repeats itself..

now lets all sitback read tadous 10 page books about how he knows everything and watch tadous sound click page get another song added to it with all of our names in it :dead:

pz

 

[Fucky McFuckerson]

@inasense

I'm sorry, but you still ain't saying shit. Just a whole lot of buzzwords and absolutely nothing in the ideas or methodology departments.

The album is very solid. I play it often.



OK Everyone, listen up:
http://www.siccness.net/vb/showthread.php?p=1724447#post1724447

Excerpt: "anyone who followed your advice in the "25k selling point" in the NW forum....is probably all of 13 years old...and dont know any better...like i said...takin any musical advice from you would be moronic.."


This is this man Oh Coy! shitting on me, so we are all going to sit back and listen to his grand ideas instead, and let the people decide. This man is preparing to put out a YV album w/ special Edition EP, so he obviously knows what he is talking about.

So now, Let's all sit back and listen to his grand plans to change the landscape of the entire NW Rap scene.

Oh Coy, the floor is yours. Go ahead and wow us now.

Im in it for the love..just like you buddy...i dont need to prove anything to anyone...just dont be mad when you hear Vicious on KUBE....

have a nice day....

 

[Dirty Shoez]

The Goon Sqwad

A solid crew that makes powerful music, but "distribution" and a "budget" and "___ Presents" are holding things back.

Do you REALLY believe this statement? If so youre even more ignorant than I initially thought... wow.

FREE..? CHEAP..? .. lol...

Do you have a JOB Tadou? ..meaning.. are you employed? Do you receive a paycheck.. do you put in work.. do you GRIND for FREE?

This whole idea of "music" for you is a hobby... for the rest of us.. we are EMPLOYED- meaning we receive checks.

Do you have a television, Kalyn? Do you enjoy watching movies? Do you ever pick up a book and read from time to time? Now....do you get PAID to do these things? Do you get PAID to read 1984 or watch Wedding Crashers? ...Didn't think so. So don't even talk to me about that hobby shit for wanting people to put the Harry Potter down and pick the digital camera up.

When i say FREE and CHEAP, I am talking about the DOZENS...HUNDREDS...THOUSANDS of people who have free time that they would LOVE to dedicate to this NorthWest scene, but don't know where to begin. It isn't about getting X amount of money, it's about working towards something. But since there is no leadership...we are missing out on the potential followers.

This isn't about quitting your job to run a website. This is about taking 30 minutes to review a Crytical album you've already played 10 times back-to-back, instead of watching a Simpsons repeat. This is about taking a few hours to type out lyrics to an E-Dawg album you already have memorized, instead of re-reading your Green Eggs and Ham special edition book.


This flies over your head because you're busy with your "Tadou doesn't have a job and a family and a mortgage, so he doesn't understand da game!" rambling. You need to understand that it won't BE the people working 40 hours a week and taking care of 3 children that build up this region; it WILL BE the people like me with extra time and energy. And if you DO NOT organize us (other than shipping us a box of fliers).....you WILL NOT see results.

... that reminds me.. you wanna do a show out here Tad..? .. lol ...

But of course. Early 2007 is what I'd be looking at.

tadou... youre actin stupid.. same with you kalyn.. you guys always get into these stupid ass arguments.. take your saddles and go ride elsewhere

and i agree with Cool Nutz here, you may have sold out of your last album in your city and sold a few copies here and there outside of your city, but you are telling us that this is how to make it and this is how its done? and youve sold MAYBE 600 copies at that? c'mon tadou dont be stupid

So now you're selling me out too? Yeah, thats just great. Becoming a little Industry Ho like all the rest of them. Thats just marvelous to see. Friend, I hope it gets you what you're after. That is about all i can say to you. You disgust me.

and now youre startin shit with people who asked you a serious question... hey... i got an idea.. shove your head up your ass a little more and maybe you'll find your heart... you talk shit everytime you come on here which is like every 6-8months or so.. start some shit with some people.. record a diss... bitch about it for a minute then bounce.. history repeats itself..

.

now lets all sitback read tadous 10 page books about how he knows everything and watch tadous sound click page get another song added to it with all of our names in it :dead:

pz

You are a waste of my time. Talk about something THAT ACTUALLY MATTERS, or don't say shit.

This thread isn't about Tadou. This thread is about the NorthWest. Concentrate.

Im in it for the love..just like you buddy...i dont need to prove anything to anyone...just dont be mad when you hear Vicious on KUBE....

have a nice day....

How can I be mad at that talented artist? The man has skill.

I'm just sitting here wondering how you can shit on my plan and offer no alternative.






For the benefit of those with the ability to see images, I am now going to present to you a graph. Stick with me, I am no good with Excel.

The way I see it, this is what our break-out period (1.5-2.5 years) is going to look like. There is going to be lots of mid-level titles (3K-8K), a few that break 10K, a few with 30-50K support, and only one that nears/breaks 100,000.

We already all know the reason why. Just because one album on a label sells X amount of copies, doesn't mean people are going to pick up every album for the label, or even from other artists. People support what is popular, almost in a tournament sort of way, where everything keeps getting halved and only one person comes out `victorious', and has the break-out album.


Now, if you'd like to argue this...feel free. Argue it'll be all or nothing, or that 5 albums at the same time will break 100k, or that some other design will be in place (Bell curve, perhaps?). I'd like to see it. But please.....come with a graph. This one took me about three minutes. Try putting in some time and research, instead of just being a 2002 version of me and running your mouth.

 

[Fucky McFuckerson]

U act like i sat up here and said i was gonna sell X amount of albums...im printing up 1,000...i hope to sell at least 75% of that....anymore questions?

 

[Dirty Shoez]

Look dude just forget about the comment I made earlier, I put that disclaimer on it so that you wouldnt take it the wrong way but you still did. I was never boasting my resume, I even said Im not saying I have the answers to these questions and never said i was "qualified." I simply wanted to know why I should believe in your ideas, over the ideas of these other people who you were going against. That's all it was, I never said you weren't qualified or were too inexperienced to know whats up. Once again though, you don't know me and I don't feel the need to put any of my "credentials" out there as I have not boasted them or "bullyed" anybody with them but keep making false claims.

That is very fair of you.

As for the groups, N2Deep, Digital Underground, etc. I don't consider those groups an arguement in this because that was WAY back, and the industry has changed a lot since then. Dem Franchize Boys, counts to me and so does D4L, even though we probably and hopefully will never hear from them again haha. I never said it didn't happen though, but Im saying the likelihood of a group blowing is way less than a solo artist. These are solos who blew up in say the last 8 years who had to blow to bring their groups or other artists on their label up.

Your upcoming list is very impressive. Let us have a look:

Nelly (St. Lunatics)
50 Cent (G-Unit)
Cam'ron (Dipset)
Lil Jon (Half the muthafuckaz in the South)
Ludacris (UTP Artists)
Eminem (D-12)
DMX (Ruff Ryders)
Juvenile (Cash Money)
Ja Rule (Murder Inc)
Fat Joe (Terror Squad)

Now here's just straight up solo artists who blew.
Kanye West
Cassidy
TI
Lil Flip
Mike Jones
David Banner
Paul Wall
Trick Daddy
Fabolous

That's just off the top of my head. I will reiterate that I never said it was impossible for the group to straight up blow, it just hasn't happened as much lately as it once did.

This is true, but let me pause and take a look back at some of these folks.


Cassidy, Kanye, T.I., and Fabolous were already on major labels when they blew. We don't have any major labels doing us like that because we don't have the same market demographic that ATL and NY do (Black People, as xpanther would put it). As a result, we are forced to PROVE IT every step of the way, including the E (Thats HORSE for those who aren't following).

Paul Wall, Mike Jones and Lil Flip were all members of the Screwed Up Click, whose mixtapes sell tens of thousands of copies each time out. This is well known. Paul Wall also had a group with Chamillionaire and sold, I believe, 100k copies of an album a while back. They are now separated, but that is what got both of them the FAIR major deals that they got (similar to Cash Money holding out for YEARS until they could keep ownership of the label and publishing, instead of just rushing out and trying to get paid)

Trick Daddy, I am not familiar with his circumstances.



For this other list, things are much the same.

Nelly (St. Lunatics)
50 Cent (G-Unit)
Cam'ron (Dipset)
Lil Jon (Half the muthafuckaz in the South)
Ludacris (UTP Artists)
Eminem (D-12)
DMX (Ruff Ryders)
Juvenile (Cash Money)
Ja Rule (Murder Inc)
Fat Joe (Terror Squad)


Ja Rule was in the Cash Money Clique, that was making its own noise back in the day. DMX and Eminem were both out of huge towns and were picked up by majors before making their noise.

Nelly and his group were getting a whole lot of radio play and sales in STL, and got picked up. But the label exec wanted one man to go solo to start with, not a group; Nelly was chosen to do it and obliged.

Lil Jon (and the EastSide Boyz) had been selling tens of thousands each time out before his recent success.

Juvenile was doing alright with his other label making Bounce music (I forget the name), and once he came to cash money, he was paired with other rappers to form the Hot Boy$, who went on to sell tens of thousands of their Get It How U Live! album. This is one of the last albums they did before they finally signed with Universal for the 30 million, thanks to Wendy Day.

(this shit is hard, BTW.)

Ludacris, Fat Joe, 50 Cent, Cam'Ron.....

Ludacris I know sold some 50K+ of his Incognegro before he was picked up by Def Jam South and his album we repackaged as Back for the First time. I will give you that one.

Fat Joe, no clue. 50 Cent was picked up a long ass time ago, and had to work his way back WITH G-Unit, working the mixape scene and selling tens of thousands, to get back to the top.

Cam'Ron, I don't remember his beginning (other than Horse and Carraige). I do know that after he got dropped, he started making the rounds with Diplomats (who he has several songs with on his S.D.E. semi-shelved album)

Fuck. Well......the moral of the story is, Big Cities with millions of people can get away with having solo artists in the spotlight, because major labels don't really hesitate to have them on the payroll. All it takes is one to go big, and they just recouped on 5. So they're more like lottery tickets than anything.

In the Bay....much of the same, but recently different. E-40 and others had their plaques back in the day, but recently, its groups like Federation or Frontline that are making all the noise. (Would you disagree with this?) The old names will always be top sellers, but it seems like all the new names are closely involved with groups.

Out in the NW....whole other story. Bunch of solo artists that want their own labels, and to be in every magazine, and that demand to be on the radio. Its a sad thing to behold. We ought to be following the Bay model of success on this one.

If you want an idea out of me so that I can contribute something to the cause well here it is. Besides money, I think you have to get noticed and hold some kind of weight OUTSIDE of the NW to sell good IN the NW. IMO a lot of the NW artists don't get the respect they deserve locally because nobody outside the NW gives a fuck about them and that's where it "matters" to these people. I could go on with this but I think you get where it's going. Shoot it down if you please, never said it was a good idea, just something that came to mind.

It is a good observation, and it is certainly true. But for my money, and because the haters run the scene here and not the fans, I think it needs re-tooling.

I think we need to do the opposite of that: you ought to OWN YOUR CITY FIRST before you go venturing outside of it. This is one reason I'm against paying for Bay Area features and beats (unless certain circumstances are met): Because you're filling up your album with people thousands of miles away, instead of people from your own back yard.

So then when you go to a city you're not from, say Tacoma, you're busy trying to sell your album because it has Mac and AK, and you're standing there explaining to them who Mac and AK are.........instead of just telling them, "Yeah, thats got Hav Not on it...he's from right here in Tac-town!" -- You see where I'm trying to go with this?

Don't wow the people with big names--make them take notice of the people right there in their own back yard. Make them feel like there is a movement growing, and that you want them to be a part of it.

As for the Cool Nutz comment. IMO he is the one making the biggest moves in the NW. Im not dickriding either because I met him a few times yada yada yada. I have witnessed first hand some of the hard work he puts in to be in the position where he is at right now, so I got respect for dude. For example, there was a Too Short show here and Cool Nutz and Jus Fam were the middle act. You know what Too Short concerts bring? Plenty of hoes! He could have mingled with the audience trying to find a piece of ass for the night and it wouldn't have been hard. Instead, him and his crew set up a booth and sold cd's for 2-3 hours. They were also handing out free mixtapes. I don't see that happen too much. Because of this, HELLA people know about him here. There was a time 3 years ago when I think I was one of like 4 people that knew about him here. Everytime he comes here the crowds are bigger and bigger and he was successful at establishing a fan base here because of the work he puts in. Pick me apart for this if you like, but that's the truth.

Lol. There is no need to pick you apart because you are speaking truth. That man Cool Nutz is doing great things for this region. But the fact of the matter is, this is not someone who works the 40 hours or Goes to college or things like these. He is able to make his living full-time selling records. There are very few like him.

I am trying to create more like him. But in this day and age, that can't be done by simply hitting the road non-stop and expecting the best. People need to be able to work from a home-base, and have that home base support them, so they can AFFORD to go out and experiment in other areas, and take a loss if need be.

 

[Fucky McFuckerson]

Cool Nutz. How nice to see you. I take it you took offense at my Status Quo/Dinosaur comments.

1...Tell that to a Priest, who has never had sex or even a girlfriend and gives people advice on marriage and how to make sex with their wife.

2...I mean, see above. If it makes sense, don't be such a closed-minded bumblefuck and denounce the priest for being a virgin--you're the only one that's going to sound stupid.

Dont you DARE throw religion in this conversation...

Just cus youre a priest...does NOT mean youre a virgin....

Ask all the catholic dudes that was molesting lil boys...cmon now...

And all that marriage advice that they give....is biased...so cut the crap...

 

[inasense206]

haha i disgust you.. haha great..

i am concentrating on the topic.. YOU are the one shooting down everyones IDEAS and OPINIONS.. just as you got yours

lets be real for one sec...

we all know youve done your homework on the music industry.. we all can see that you arent talking out of your ass about music.. but what makes people look at you like youre a joke is your attitude.. i'll admit it.. youre cool people when you talk to ____ one on one.. but the internet lets you hide behind the computer and say everything and anything you want.. we all say shit that we wouldnt say to someones face on this shit (if you deny that youre lyin period) but youre one dimensional... every post you make people can ACCURATELY guess what you will say in each post.. youre closed minded and think like the very man whom you have had the most problems with (Mr. D-Sane, we all couldve guessed that) "my way or the high way" for some people that works out for em... d-sane is now workin with people like t-nutty.. doing remixes to mainstream songs that are getting some radio play.. hes finally getting the recognition he deserves for the 10-12 albums hes put out... hard work... time.. money.. and a goal that has not changed went into that and it seems as if it is paying off.... he has progressed over the years into one of seattles better hip-hop producers because he knows what sound he likes and he works with it... im not putting d-sane on the spot im just using that as an example of someone that has the "my way or the highway" frame of mind... hes beginning to make bigger moves than he ever has and i believe it all has to do with how he thinks about his music and the people he chooses to work with.. you have the same state of mind.. its your way or no way... but the difference between you too.. is he is makin moves in music... you talk about HOW to make moves in music but you arent... youre doin your thing with school and what not but the music is/has been on hold for a long ass minute for you and youre gonna try and tell us how its SHOULD be done and that youre RIGHT? amazing... let people like cool nutz, d-sane or someone else who has held or is beginning to hold a spot in the music industry... no one wants to here this is how it should be.. they want to hear this is what I THINK from someone like you or me or oh certo or kalyn etc.

im off to work... and then i'll type why I THINK distrobution is a major thing and how it connects to every aspect of selling 100k for a NW artist...

any thing you wanna discuss with me hit the celly... youre gettin on my nerves once again...lol

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