Is it Possible to Sell 100K+ in the NW?
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Friend, Why do you even ASK questions when you are not going to consider the answer?
I see you are still afraid to answer to my challenge about your kind comparing me selling albums to things like Song/Lyric Databases. That you cannot even acknowledge (let alone come CLOSE to refuting) that common-sense ideas like that require NO amount of records sold or shows done to implement.....is hilarious to me.
Its common fucking sense. And you don't need a Cool Nutz or a Syko to say it. The shit simply makes sense, and it is not available right now and should be. PERIOD.
Friend, and then you wonder why i have to shoot you down. That quote does not exist. It just doesn't. You made it up and then went off on a rant. So what you are about to say here, has to be taken with MULTIPLE grains of salt, seeing as though it was never my quote to begin with. Thats all you...don't blame me for that.
But being the hypocrite I would be if i didn't make the best of the situation.....I will definitely touch on the topic and be as tolerant and respectful of your thoughts as I can be.
Of course, for the long post. The store was put on hold because i left the country for 4 months, and that shit was not going tohappen from Mexico. Give it some time
The other stuff.....this is very true. Whether this comes from You or HOTCHICK75 or any other person, it makes sense. I personally do not pick my albums like that, but it cannot be denied that it is done.
My quote though, was that (and I believe i was being hypothetical when i said it, but i could be wrong) debut artists ought not to have the Bay Area features. It's my belief that this creates too much of a bugetary strain and heightens up expectations that most are, unfortunately, unable to meet.
If they'd have just did the album for cheap and let the people decide if they wanted to support it and for the artist to continue, half the one-album-wonders out there might still be rapping! But instead we get, "It got marketed bad", or "I had some personal problems", and 101 other excuses for them spending too much and accomplishing too little. So the sophomore album, if it even comes, doesn't usually come for 3-4 years later, after 7-8 times being pushed back, broken promises about distribution, etc. Happens all the time.
A Man like Unexpected Arrival, I believe, has demonstrated the right way to do things. He didn't come out of the Box with E-40 and Yukmouth and these people--he took his case directly to the court of public opinion, and ONLY NOW that he's on his 4th (i think?) album, he is going out there and getting those big names.
This comes with a disclaimer though. If you find that perfect rapper, and the man is recording a lot of material in the studio, lives very close to the studio, has shown incredible dedication, etc....then yes, you definitely should look into making his debut album as strong as possible, as long as you know that this isn't the type of man that is going to whine and run away, but is going to turn that 5K loss into only a $500 loss, and keep it moving. (I hope You know what I mean by that?)
Bay Area features are always good. They sell more copies and expand audiences, not just to the Bay, but to ALL the areas of the country familiar with those Bay artists. I'm not going to sit here and say that "You should make a name by YOURSELF!" stuff and diss people, cus thats not how I roll. If it makes sense FOR YOU...then do it. Thats always going to be the reality of the situation.
I see you are still afraid to answer to my challenge about your kind comparing me selling albums to things like Song/Lyric Databases. That you cannot even acknowledge (let alone come CLOSE to refuting) that common-sense ideas like that require NO amount of records sold or shows done to implement.....is hilarious to me.
Its common fucking sense. And you don't need a Cool Nutz or a Syko to say it. The shit simply makes sense, and it is not available right now and should be. PERIOD.
Friend, and then you wonder why i have to shoot you down. That quote does not exist. It just doesn't. You made it up and then went off on a rant. So what you are about to say here, has to be taken with MULTIPLE grains of salt, seeing as though it was never my quote to begin with. Thats all you...don't blame me for that.
But being the hypocrite I would be if i didn't make the best of the situation.....I will definitely touch on the topic and be as tolerant and respectful of your thoughts as I can be.
Of course, for the long post. The store was put on hold because i left the country for 4 months, and that shit was not going tohappen from Mexico. Give it some time
The other stuff.....this is very true. Whether this comes from You or HOTCHICK75 or any other person, it makes sense. I personally do not pick my albums like that, but it cannot be denied that it is done.
My quote though, was that (and I believe i was being hypothetical when i said it, but i could be wrong) debut artists ought not to have the Bay Area features. It's my belief that this creates too much of a bugetary strain and heightens up expectations that most are, unfortunately, unable to meet.
If they'd have just did the album for cheap and let the people decide if they wanted to support it and for the artist to continue, half the one-album-wonders out there might still be rapping! But instead we get, "It got marketed bad", or "I had some personal problems", and 101 other excuses for them spending too much and accomplishing too little. So the sophomore album, if it even comes, doesn't usually come for 3-4 years later, after 7-8 times being pushed back, broken promises about distribution, etc. Happens all the time.
A Man like Unexpected Arrival, I believe, has demonstrated the right way to do things. He didn't come out of the Box with E-40 and Yukmouth and these people--he took his case directly to the court of public opinion, and ONLY NOW that he's on his 4th (i think?) album, he is going out there and getting those big names.
This comes with a disclaimer though. If you find that perfect rapper, and the man is recording a lot of material in the studio, lives very close to the studio, has shown incredible dedication, etc....then yes, you definitely should look into making his debut album as strong as possible, as long as you know that this isn't the type of man that is going to whine and run away, but is going to turn that 5K loss into only a $500 loss, and keep it moving. (I hope You know what I mean by that?)
Bay Area features are always good. They sell more copies and expand audiences, not just to the Bay, but to ALL the areas of the country familiar with those Bay artists. I'm not going to sit here and say that "You should make a name by YOURSELF!" stuff and diss people, cus thats not how I roll. If it makes sense FOR YOU...then do it. Thats always going to be the reality of the situation.
Verily. And inshallah, you will be a part of it in some capacity. Your ability to manage and place artists on region-wide tours and concerts is unmatchable. You are already the man to go to now, and once you scale back your own personal rap career, you will be unrivaled. You are The Guy, and that much is not open to argument.
If i can quote the old school Sportcenter here: "You can't stop him. You can only hope to contain him.
If i can quote the old school Sportcenter here: "You can't stop him. You can only hope to contain him.
I aint your friend for one...stop referreing to me as such...
Anyways...
I...have no clue...what the hell youre talkin about...
All i said was...you are NOT qualified...to tell people HOW to sell records...especially people like Cool Nutz...who has sold MANY units...with little to NO distribution...and has done and CONTINUES to do shows...with major acts...so cut the crap...
Like i said....dont talk about it...be about it...
We are done argueing this meaningless topic...kapeesh?
Anyways...
I...have no clue...what the hell youre talkin about...
All i said was...you are NOT qualified...to tell people HOW to sell records...especially people like Cool Nutz...who has sold MANY units...with little to NO distribution...and has done and CONTINUES to do shows...with major acts...so cut the crap...
Like i said....dont talk about it...be about it...
We are done argueing this meaningless topic...kapeesh?
Dirty Shoez said:
This is very true. The only thing i would add to it is, more independent media. Now, for one, would be the perfect time for a UA DVD start being made and come out early next year, so that he might continue pushing this product without feeling the need to 'replace' it with a follow-up. This is all true. You suck at using paragraphs 
but it is all true!
but it is all true!
Okay Tadou. I summerized your quote before because I didn't want to read your long ass posts again to pull out a quote. But I think everyone else would agree with me that you are saying don't pay for features.
I'm pretty sure thats what this means, don't pay for features. But I'm sure you have a different twist on it.
@Fridge
My contradiction is being Lazy and Ambitious at the same time. It is deadly.
Yeah, or ADHD. Or OCD. Or some other thing that is not related in the least bit with the other names I'm throwing out, but hey, they sound insulting enough for it to not matter.
OCDP and INTJ. This is the situation. INTJ's are about 1% of the population and are aptly dubbed the "Masterminds".
Yes you are. We r frends.
No, we aren't. And this topic is far from meaningless. Any meaning it has lost has been YOUR FAULT for CONTINUING to make ME, and not THE IDEAS, the topic of conversation.
I want you to sit here and argue to the entire forum, that having a database with song lyrics and downloads of an artists most often performed songs, will LOSE sales, because [insert stupid reason here] ("They could read the lyrics already!! So why would they buy the CD??").
Then I am going to argue that it would GAIN sales because when more people know the song lyrics, more people feel confident going to the shows; going to more shows means buying more CDs.
And then, of course...you will be defeated.
What that one robot bitch said in I, Robot? "My logic is undeniable." You're sitting here whining because I'M ME, but if i was anyone else you'd be giddy as a school girl right now.
Very apropos.
Hopefully the scraps will be tossed out there on a bootleg or up on a website for those who don't want to wait that long.
My contradiction is being Lazy and Ambitious at the same time. It is deadly.
Yeah, or ADHD. Or OCD. Or some other thing that is not related in the least bit with the other names I'm throwing out, but hey, they sound insulting enough for it to not matter.
OCDP and INTJ. This is the situation. INTJ's are about 1% of the population and are aptly dubbed the "Masterminds".
Yes you are. We r frends.
No, we aren't. And this topic is far from meaningless. Any meaning it has lost has been YOUR FAULT for CONTINUING to make ME, and not THE IDEAS, the topic of conversation.
I want you to sit here and argue to the entire forum, that having a database with song lyrics and downloads of an artists most often performed songs, will LOSE sales, because [insert stupid reason here] ("They could read the lyrics already!! So why would they buy the CD??").
Then I am going to argue that it would GAIN sales because when more people know the song lyrics, more people feel confident going to the shows; going to more shows means buying more CDs.
And then, of course...you will be defeated.
What that one robot bitch said in I, Robot? "My logic is undeniable." You're sitting here whining because I'M ME, but if i was anyone else you'd be giddy as a school girl right now.
Very apropos.
Hopefully the scraps will be tossed out there on a bootleg or up on a website for those who don't want to wait that long.
Exactly. But I have given in to the possibility of paying for gas money, drinks in the studio, cigarettes, giving them left over studio time, etc. But I WILL NOT hand an artist cash FOR a verse.
Yup. If you're going to pay for a feature, don't just track down your favorite rapper and throw money at him. Make sure there's some mutual interest going on there. Like its been said many times before, by people like me and `veterans` alike: when you pay for verses, you aren't just paying for 16s: you're paying for a connect as well.
The main thing I am saying is, if that artist you paid for don't even holler at you when he comes to town to check on how you and the project are doing, or isn't inviting you to come perform at one of his shows (even just to do the song y'all did together), or even offering you a free ticket...if he just plain acts like he FORGOT about you.....thats the whole thing right there.
Pay the gas, buy the drinks, the smokes...the smoke...even fly them out and back if you have to. Block out 12 hours, record your track in 2, and give 'em the rest. But paying cash for the verse (especially for your debut), IMO, sets a bad precident for your career.
Yup. If you're going to pay for a feature, don't just track down your favorite rapper and throw money at him. Make sure there's some mutual interest going on there. Like its been said many times before, by people like me and `veterans` alike: when you pay for verses, you aren't just paying for 16s: you're paying for a connect as well.
The main thing I am saying is, if that artist you paid for don't even holler at you when he comes to town to check on how you and the project are doing, or isn't inviting you to come perform at one of his shows (even just to do the song y'all did together), or even offering you a free ticket...if he just plain acts like he FORGOT about you.....thats the whole thing right there.
Pay the gas, buy the drinks, the smokes...the smoke...even fly them out and back if you have to. Block out 12 hours, record your track in 2, and give 'em the rest. But paying cash for the verse (especially for your debut), IMO, sets a bad precident for your career.
.....By all means, continue!
Tell us about how fun it is to go to a show and not have a clue what any of the verses or even choruses are going to sound like.
Realize though that I'm going to throw back in faces the hippie-like proclamation that mainstream music only sells because its simple and easy to memorize, thus, easier to sing along with and feel like you're a part of
Tell us about how fun it is to go to a show and not have a clue what any of the verses or even choruses are going to sound like.
Realize though that I'm going to throw back in faces the hippie-like proclamation that mainstream music only sells because its simple and easy to memorize, thus, easier to sing along with and feel like you're a part of
Youre not gonna get Bun B, Cam'ron, Flip, Paul Wall, etc... anyone makin' real money- anyone with their own established fanbase-- folks that do music as their JOB.. to fly out for a blunt and a 40.. (this conversation is so pointless but so is decaf coffee... anyway) .. get some features- get your foot in the door.. get some features- sell additional units.. features are an 'investment' IMO but heeey what do I know..? I'm just a female that passes out flyers.. lol..
Hey tadou, All these things are bought with cash where I am from. Why does it matter if you buy 12 hours studio time and then give it to them, instead of just paying in the first place? I am not playing dumb here, I'm genuinely confused as to what difference it makes. Does it sit better on your conscience to not actually deal with cash? If the consumer doesn't know that you paid cash instead of gave them "smoke" then why does it matter?
It sets a bad precident. There is no other way i can really put it.
As for the bigger names--if paying for their flight here, hotel room for them and the entourage, meals, drinks, going to the club, studio time, transportation while there, flight back, and everything else (or some combination of these things) doesn't cover it.....then fuck them.
If you want to toss your life savings at Flip, thinking some bumblefuck 15-year-old punk is going to salivate over your album and buy it over, say, a Flip album....I feel sorry for you. And I hope all the bad things in life happen to you, and only you.
As for the bigger names--if paying for their flight here, hotel room for them and the entourage, meals, drinks, going to the club, studio time, transportation while there, flight back, and everything else (or some combination of these things) doesn't cover it.....then fuck them.
If you want to toss your life savings at Flip, thinking some bumblefuck 15-year-old punk is going to salivate over your album and buy it over, say, a Flip album....I feel sorry for you. And I hope all the bad things in life happen to you, and only you.
