Give idea's on how the bay can get back on the map..

[rapfanunlimited]

dudes got to really get on the grizzz take the shit outa stat to where they dont know bout us rock er open mike er contest... even if niggas dont win they gone here us...... it only take 1 person who know sombody that feels you to get on . and even if u dont blow u got a staor to tell. im tellen u the bay we the truth treal shit ...... we got that universal swagg.. now i aint no hype dude but that shit authentic the bay made that so why not just get out the bay for a min and show these fuckas what we got hands on "its like da block u got to touch the pavement for some doe to come""

If it was as easy as getting out of the bay and going to different states, then not a problem. It is more complex than that. I am going to colorado in 2weeks check out some artists and network for the bay. However if the region itself is in a state of flux, then until clear leadership and direction emerge, yes you will have some success stories but not nearly as many as you could if we were stable.

 

[70SAV]

However, selling records does not equal having true talent...Just check the Soundscans...

If we were talking national sales driven by radio play I would agree, but when speaking on The Bay as a localized market and economy, sales do equal a true demand for a particular product due to the fact that Bay artists get no radio play or have access to other forms of consumer brainwashing. With that in mind, realize that it is gravitationally impossible for shit (wack product) to roll UP a hill (be successful) especially when there's nothing to sustain it (free services), support it (record sales), or propel it (radio play).

get it straight... I have no problem with ANY artist who can become successful with ANY style of music, period. It's the artist who are habitually unsuccessful, yet continually clog up the shelves and the game who piss me off. They are basically running VANITY labels off of free services and diluting what used to be a thriving economy. Nobody is buying their shit, and in all reality they are just in the way, waiting for someone to bust through so that they can try to ride their coat tails to fame and fortune.

I've said it many times: If you do not charge for your products and services you are not a professional you are an amateur. If you charge for your products and services and cannot get anyone to pay your fee you are an amateur. If you call yourself running a company that cannot sustain itself through it's profits and you need to continually funnel in your own cash and use others for their free services you are an amateur. If this is the case then what you're doing is a hobby. As a hobbyist there is no need for you to continue to release products. Some of you just have to be real with yourself. You ARE NOT cut out for this game. You need to stop underestimating the time, the knowledge, and experience, it takes to be successful. Stop thinking "If that nigga can do it I know I could do better". It ain't as easy as it looks. I can guarantee you that. Go back to school. Find what it is that you really are good at and pursue that. What ever you do... just for GOD's sake... please get out of the way...

 

[rapfanunlimited]

Some shyyt be real harsh as it may sound. I think the marketplace as evidenced by what is being heard and seen has more than enough room. Opinion(s) somebody out there likes Souljah Boy. They do. Same can be said for the artists in the bay, some people excel at what they do and others struggle. I don't think anyone has a right to tell someone their dream or business ambition is useless. That in it of itself is arrogrant to the next fukking level. The different fukked up attitudes is what fukks the bay up. Niqqaz's complaining to hide they really are bityches in disguise, got feelins hurt. Damn. Bay Unified is needed that would be a beginning.

T'anne-Elite 1 Ent.

 

[70SAV]

Some shyyt be real harsh as it may sound. I think the marketplace as evidenced by what is being heard and seen has more than enough room. Opinion(s) somebody out there likes Souljah Boy. They do. Same can be said for the artists in the bay, some people excel at what they do and others struggle. I don't think anyone has a right to tell someone their dream or business ambition is useless. That in it of itself is arrogrant to the next fukking level. The different fukked up attitudes is what fukks the bay up. Niqqaz's complaining to hide they really are bityches in disguise, got feelins hurt. Damn. Bay Unified is needed that would be a beginning.

T'anne-Elite 1 Ent.

Like I said I have no problem with ANY artist who can become successful with ANY style of music, period. Soulja Boy is doin his thug as far as I'm concerned.

Regardless of that fact, the laws of supply and demand are basic
business concepts. Too much supply causes a dip in demand. Period. What I said is not arrogant it's honesty. I mean I'm not here to crush nobody's dreams, but there comes a point when reality comes into play, and the reality of the situation is that some artists, labels, and producers are simply in the way.

Soak game... Everybody is cryin about why the majors never hit the bay and scoop somebody up, well how do you think they determine where the hot spots are? They check the stats thats how. So lets just hypothetically say they check the Bay's stats and see that last year Bay Area artists had over 100,000 individual releases (fake numbers just trying to make a point) but only 50,000 actual units sold across the board. Do you think they are even checkin for us at that point? Hell no is the answer. Shit even if we sold 1000 copies of each release they couldn't even figure out who the fuck to pick up cause of the sheer amount of artists there are on the shelves. How would they figure out just who would be worth giving a deal to? Think of it like this: The Bay is a drink. The truly talented artists in the Bay are like the alcohol and the rest are like water. If there's too much water in the drink you not even going to taste the alcohol, and THAT is what the problem is... were basically watered down.

As for niggaz complaining cause they're bitches in disguise and hurt feelins'... You're not talkin to me.

I would like to ask you a question though... I'm all for Bay Unification but how exactly would that translate into record sales. I mean I hear it all the time "we need to support each other". What? are we all just gonna just buy each other's cd's and then everything will be fine? I don't see the logic. I think everyone needs to realize how the real world works. There are producers and there are consumers. The problem with the Bay Area Hip Hop is that there are too many producers and not enough consumers if we were a country we'd be bankrupt...

 

[tweeze]

niggaz need to stop rapping and sounding the same and the same style beats
try something eles shit
case close

 

[NASA]

I think it all starts with the whole West Coast uniting as one and not being divided into sections. Look how it was when Pac was alive he had Bay Area artists as well as SoCal artists getting shine. Once the West Coast starts making noise as a whole then people start to pay more attention to where these certain artists are from and what's going on with that part of the region. I'm not just talking about artists either I think radio stations need to support these artists as well people by actually going and picking up a copy of an album from an artist they like instead of downloading it off the internet.

 

[eff suckaz]

here is a start

new mac dre album
no more recycling
eliminate the majority of the thizz roster
messy marv stay out of jail
san quinn go back to his old style
mob figaz release an album
keak put out a legit album
a ybb reunion
new luniz album
dru down putting out a solo
release tear gas
warriors win the finals

 

[hippa]

i agree with mrmanish..for sure the radio stations gotta support our bay area rappers..otherwise who else would? radiostations are where people listen to the latest stuff all the timeee..

 

[BOOBIE B.]

fucking PRODUCTION VALUE and SERIOUS PROMO

QUALITY MUSIC.

 

[radiostationrep]

you are the man.

Like I said I have no problem with ANY artist who can become successful with ANY style of music, period. Soulja Boy is doin his thug as far as I'm concerned.

Regardless of that fact, the laws of supply and demand are basic
business concepts. Too much supply causes a dip in demand. Period. What I said is not arrogant it's honesty. I mean I'm not here to crush nobody's dreams, but there comes a point when reality comes into play, and the reality of the situation is that some artists, labels, and producers are simply in the way.

Soak game... Everybody is cryin about why the majors never hit the bay and scoop somebody up, well how do you think they determine where the hot spots are? They check the stats thats how. So lets just hypothetically say they check the Bay's stats and see that last year Bay Area artists had over 100,000 individual releases (fake numbers just trying to make a point) but only 50,000 actual units sold across the board. Do you think they are even checkin for us at that point? Hell no is the answer. Shit even if we sold 1000 copies of each release they couldn't even figure out who the fuck to pick up cause of the sheer amount of artists there are on the shelves. How would they figure out just who would be worth giving a deal to? Think of it like this: The Bay is a drink. The truly talented artists in the Bay are like the alcohol and the rest are like water. If there's too much water in the drink you not even going to taste the alcohol, and THAT is what the problem is... were basically watered down.

As for niggaz complaining cause they're bitches in disguise and hurt feelins'... You're not talkin to me.

I would like to ask you a question though... I'm all for Bay Unification but how exactly would that translate into record sales. I mean I hear it all the time "we need to support each other". What? are we all just gonna just buy each other's cd's and then everything will be fine? I don't see the logic. I think everyone needs to realize how the real world works. There are producers and there are consumers. The problem with the Bay Area Hip Hop is that there are too many producers and not enough consumers if we were a country we'd be bankrupt...

your last few posts sum it up. cats cant except reality. good shit. the biggest thing for new artists is dont rush a product to the shelf and ruin a career if there is a chance for one. the bay needs more sponges and less rocks. the next artist to do something will probably be an unknown imo. all these cats in the game for 10 plus years and doing the samething.. yall are an embarassment imo.

 

[MrPeete]

Stop soliciting a message board made up of downloaders for ideas as to how to sell more records :cheeky:

 

[public_domain]

Stop soliciting a message board made up of downloaders for ideas as to how to sell more records :cheeky:

Word!!! And let me add: Stop posing questions that you already have your own answers to but need someone on the internet to agree....

 

[MrPeete]

Word!!! And let me add: Stop posing questions that you already have your own answers to but need someone on the internet to agree....

Exactly.

lol @ "Let me see what the BART board thinks of my new business model real quick."

 

[radiostationrep]

typical.

everyone has an opinion.

 

[radiostationrep]

if im not mistaken.

Stop soliciting a message board made up of downloaders for ideas as to how to sell more records :cheeky:

isnt this the place to find out why a fan would by a cd? the siccness board never fails.

 

[MrPeete]

isnt this the place to find out why a fan would by a cd? the siccness board never fails.

Never fails at what?

 

[radiostationrep]

it never fails.

Never fails at what?

to produce negativity player.

 

[MrPeete]

to produce negativity player.

And yet mufuckas have managed to keep asking the same question that produces that negativity 6,994,229 times over the last 8 - 10 years

Reality bites, right?

If cats aren't thick skinned enough to handle a little message board negativity then they better get out of the music business, lol

 

[radiostationrep]

actually reality for me is lovely.

And yet mufuckas have managed to keep asking the same question that produces that negativity 6,994,229 times over the last 8 - 10 years

Reality bites, right?

If cats aren't thick skinned enough to handle a little message board negativity then they better get out of the music business, lol

i was negative like that at one time. now i just laugh. but to each his own. so whatever is said isnt taken personell. the cats that need to get out the business are the ones not making any progress and have been doing this for 8-10 years. i would rather educate young cats than lie to them like so many do. this music SHIT in the bay is mostly made up of grown kids trying to re-invent themselves. but hey player, im just an opinion like everyone else. i wouldnt want to be affiliated with 99% percent of these clowns.

 

[MrPeete]

i was negative like that at one time. now i just laugh. but to each his own. so whatever is said isnt taken personell. the cats that need to get out the business are the ones not making any progress and have been doing this for 8-10 years. i would rather educate young cats than lie to them like so many do. this music SHIT in the bay is mostly made up of grown kids trying to re-invent themselves. but hey player, im just an opinion like everyone else. i wouldnt want to be affiliated with 99% percent of these clowns.

You assume my statement was directed at you personally then you say 'whatever is said isn't taken personal'. :hurt:

You can perceive what I say as negativity, but it's just good old fashioned realism.

I laugh when people who act like they are in the music business in some capacity come on here, look for a specific type of feedback, and get mad when they don't get it. On some, 'you guys are the REAL problem' bullshit.

On some real shit, show me a conversation (about what the bay can do or what artists should do or why hasn't the bay blown up, etc...) that has taken place on this board that has changed anything... I mean, if you go into the archives, you'll find a few hundred thousand to choose from.

This isn't the place where those types of changes or decisions get made.