Give idea's on how the bay can get back on the map..
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Networking
More mainstream artist Features
Videos ( even if they only get played on myspace/youtube etc)
strong arming a few radio DJs
Fuck it the Bay should just stop mainstream artists making money in the west without them, I think Bay rappers should just start robbing all these mainstream rappers and singers that make money in the bay unless they agree to feature on or feature bay artist on they shit. Fuck it, sounds grimey but opening up a show for these mainstream artist aint gona get you on a national level anytime soon.
Or maybe not....
More mainstream artist Features
Videos ( even if they only get played on myspace/youtube etc)
strong arming a few radio DJs
Fuck it the Bay should just stop mainstream artists making money in the west without them, I think Bay rappers should just start robbing all these mainstream rappers and singers that make money in the bay unless they agree to feature on or feature bay artist on they shit. Fuck it, sounds grimey but opening up a show for these mainstream artist aint gona get you on a national level anytime soon.
Or maybe not....
Fools need to stop tryna get shit for free.
If you're a consumer and you download music listen to music and like it you should buy it. Period.
If you're an artist and you're serious about this business stop trying to build a career off of free shit. No truly professional talent like Producers, Photographers, Grafx Designers, Managers, Distributers, Manufacturers, Street Teams, Models, Club Owners, or Feature Acts work or provides services without due compensation. Without quality professionals you'll never have a quality product, and without a quality product you'll NEVER go national, so pay what you weigh.
You artists have to understand that the Bay Area's Hip Hop economy can only thrive if there is an influx of capital. If this is truly your career of choice then you MUST break bread and invest in your career. But THAT never happens cause you'd rather trick your money off on bullshit like rims, Playstations, grills, weed, alcohol, way too expensive gear, and just about anything other than what you should be spending it on, and that is quality production, artwork, and promotion.
None of that shit you spend your money on is made here in the bay therefore no one in the Bay benefits from it but you, yet you expect the community to support you and buy YOUR CDs that consist of basically shit that you yourself got for free. Tracks that you got for FREE from some bedroom producer, FREE CD covers that were shot by your aunt Gertrude that you Photoshopped yourself, that you only promoted from your FREE myspace account. Like I said your shit will never go National cause your shit aint National quality. Shit, even if we in the BAY were to spend our money on your CDs we could pretty much be sure that money would never make it back to our community so why bother?
Artists should know better than any one that if PROFESSIONAL talent cannot expect to be paid for their work then sooner or later they have to find other work to feed themselves and their family. They end up working at UPS or some other "day" job just like you. The difference is that YOU as the artist perpetuate this problem. Every garbage ass release you dump out there that is purchased by an unhappy consumer makes it all the more likely that that consumer will not purchase again they'll just continue to download and justify it to themselves by saying they deserve it.
I 've said it once and I'll say it again... 9 times out of 10 "FREE" looks, sounds, smells, and tastes like shit... So start breakin bread and avoid the barter system if you can. Everyone will be better off if you do...
If you're a consumer and you download music listen to music and like it you should buy it. Period.
If you're an artist and you're serious about this business stop trying to build a career off of free shit. No truly professional talent like Producers, Photographers, Grafx Designers, Managers, Distributers, Manufacturers, Street Teams, Models, Club Owners, or Feature Acts work or provides services without due compensation. Without quality professionals you'll never have a quality product, and without a quality product you'll NEVER go national, so pay what you weigh.
You artists have to understand that the Bay Area's Hip Hop economy can only thrive if there is an influx of capital. If this is truly your career of choice then you MUST break bread and invest in your career. But THAT never happens cause you'd rather trick your money off on bullshit like rims, Playstations, grills, weed, alcohol, way too expensive gear, and just about anything other than what you should be spending it on, and that is quality production, artwork, and promotion.
None of that shit you spend your money on is made here in the bay therefore no one in the Bay benefits from it but you, yet you expect the community to support you and buy YOUR CDs that consist of basically shit that you yourself got for free. Tracks that you got for FREE from some bedroom producer, FREE CD covers that were shot by your aunt Gertrude that you Photoshopped yourself, that you only promoted from your FREE myspace account. Like I said your shit will never go National cause your shit aint National quality. Shit, even if we in the BAY were to spend our money on your CDs we could pretty much be sure that money would never make it back to our community so why bother?
Artists should know better than any one that if PROFESSIONAL talent cannot expect to be paid for their work then sooner or later they have to find other work to feed themselves and their family. They end up working at UPS or some other "day" job just like you. The difference is that YOU as the artist perpetuate this problem. Every garbage ass release you dump out there that is purchased by an unhappy consumer makes it all the more likely that that consumer will not purchase again they'll just continue to download and justify it to themselves by saying they deserve it.
I 've said it once and I'll say it again... 9 times out of 10 "FREE" looks, sounds, smells, and tastes like shit... So start breakin bread and avoid the barter system if you can. Everyone will be better off if you do...
I would say try something different along the lines of doing you. Most of the bay music i hear sounds the same so nothing really stands out imo. Also i swear if the bay got together for a big ass concert, there are mad heads that won't support each other. I agree wit that other dood saying Frontline has a chance. I am not from the bay and the only bay cds i know that will have quality is Frontline, E40, ZIon I, Heiro. I listened to the Team finally the other day and there album was dope, what happened to them?
I love bay rap just as much as anybody. I agree with theyre being alot of garbage. Some of the originals are still dope. I wanna pose this a s a question though. Has the bay ever really been on the map like you guys are thinking, sure mac mall sold some units and so did brotha lynch and E40 but they no artist from the bay has ever been as popular as even someone like snoop or pac or any big time platinum artists. Mostly its always been an independent underground thing though. Appreciate it for what it is, it might not ever be what all of us want it to be.
PS it seems like all the artists and label guys in the buy are just such stupid business people thats another reason noone ever "blows" from the bay. LIke alot of folks said spending money on stupid things to floss instead of investing money to make more money, A big part of capitalism involves investing alot of the money back into your business to make it bigger better stronger. HAlf these guys are probably too worried about making payments on their S 550 benz to do that though.
i Accept the bay for what it is and i weed out all these gay Artists that should of never had the privilege of releasing a cd. It doesnt piss me off anymore that better rappers arent getting better money than the 50 and jay z's of the world its just the way it is, we still got some of the dopest rap history and culture.
PS it seems like all the artists and label guys in the buy are just such stupid business people thats another reason noone ever "blows" from the bay. LIke alot of folks said spending money on stupid things to floss instead of investing money to make more money, A big part of capitalism involves investing alot of the money back into your business to make it bigger better stronger. HAlf these guys are probably too worried about making payments on their S 550 benz to do that though.
i Accept the bay for what it is and i weed out all these gay Artists that should of never had the privilege of releasing a cd. It doesnt piss me off anymore that better rappers arent getting better money than the 50 and jay z's of the world its just the way it is, we still got some of the dopest rap history and culture.
Luniz, Rappin4Tay, Too $hort, Spice-1 were all well known and sold on a national level.....People's short term memory about the Bay Area is rather concerning to me....However, I agree with you that despite national attention, there is some really great music being made in the Bay, and if others miss out, that's their problem....
The answer Is YES. The Bay has been on the map. You must realize that although many other regions lay claim to Pac, he was and always will be from The Bay. If it had'nt been for our grassroots support he would never have gone National and that is a fact.
And lets not forget Too Short. The man is a National Icon and a legend. His music and lyrics are now not only ingrained in American culture, but I would even argue that they've have had an effect internationally. He is one of the most consistent and successful Hip Hop Artists of all time.
And then theres E-40 and the Click who were basically the architects of the modern independent record game. Although 40 may not be played nationally, he Damn well is KNOWN Nationally as well as internationally. Theres not a single Hip Hop mogul nor out of the trunk independent out there who doesn't owe the Sic Wid It family a debt of gratitude for opening the doors that they opened.
I guess it could be called stupidity but I think it can be better chalked up to inexperience. Everybody out here thinks they're some kind of mogul and shit... too proud to admit that they have no idea what they're doing. If some of these cats would just ask somebody they would realize that there is a wealth of knowledge on the subject right here in the bay in the form of veteran artists, producers, and label owners that have already gone through what these new cats are going through now.
It's also a case of "common sense" getting in the way of advancement. What I mean is that common sense would dictate that if a certain veteran knew how to blow up nationally he would have done it himself right? Wrong. What has to be taken into account is that every artist has a shelf life. If you've made your introduction to the world as an artist you only have so long to blow up until you're considered not relevant. Along the way though, you learn a whole lot. The problem is that some bells cannot be un-rung. For example: say your actually one of the best artist the bay has to offer but due to bad promotion and bad business practices your debut album goes flatinum. Unless you change your name and reinvent yourself that bell cannot be un-rung. Same thing with if your first couple of albums do great but your next 2 show a gradual decline in sales... No major label is going to pick you up at that point. In their eyes your demise is imminent ya dig? thats why it is so important to do your homework before rushing headlong into releasing product. Your sales record = your reputation in this game. Fools need to be stop being so impatient and spend more time on putting together quality product and sound strategies on releasing this product, so as not to make mistakes that will invariably ruin their careers before they even start.
The easiest way to weed these jokers out is if everyone stops allowing them to get shit for free. If their product is wack and they don't sell, then they will have to use their own hard earned cash to pay to for their next release. After loosing their shirts because no one is buying their shit then believe me they'll get the idea. Before you know it the cream will once again be allowed to rise to the top. Those who sell will be able to afford to resume their careers and those who dont will not. In nature it's called survival of the fittest. The Bay would do well to embrace the concept...
And lets not forget Too Short. The man is a National Icon and a legend. His music and lyrics are now not only ingrained in American culture, but I would even argue that they've have had an effect internationally. He is one of the most consistent and successful Hip Hop Artists of all time.
And then theres E-40 and the Click who were basically the architects of the modern independent record game. Although 40 may not be played nationally, he Damn well is KNOWN Nationally as well as internationally. Theres not a single Hip Hop mogul nor out of the trunk independent out there who doesn't owe the Sic Wid It family a debt of gratitude for opening the doors that they opened.
I guess it could be called stupidity but I think it can be better chalked up to inexperience. Everybody out here thinks they're some kind of mogul and shit... too proud to admit that they have no idea what they're doing. If some of these cats would just ask somebody they would realize that there is a wealth of knowledge on the subject right here in the bay in the form of veteran artists, producers, and label owners that have already gone through what these new cats are going through now.
It's also a case of "common sense" getting in the way of advancement. What I mean is that common sense would dictate that if a certain veteran knew how to blow up nationally he would have done it himself right? Wrong. What has to be taken into account is that every artist has a shelf life. If you've made your introduction to the world as an artist you only have so long to blow up until you're considered not relevant. Along the way though, you learn a whole lot. The problem is that some bells cannot be un-rung. For example: say your actually one of the best artist the bay has to offer but due to bad promotion and bad business practices your debut album goes flatinum. Unless you change your name and reinvent yourself that bell cannot be un-rung. Same thing with if your first couple of albums do great but your next 2 show a gradual decline in sales... No major label is going to pick you up at that point. In their eyes your demise is imminent ya dig? thats why it is so important to do your homework before rushing headlong into releasing product. Your sales record = your reputation in this game. Fools need to be stop being so impatient and spend more time on putting together quality product and sound strategies on releasing this product, so as not to make mistakes that will invariably ruin their careers before they even start.
The easiest way to weed these jokers out is if everyone stops allowing them to get shit for free. If their product is wack and they don't sell, then they will have to use their own hard earned cash to pay to for their next release. After loosing their shirts because no one is buying their shit then believe me they'll get the idea. Before you know it the cream will once again be allowed to rise to the top. Those who sell will be able to afford to resume their careers and those who dont will not. In nature it's called survival of the fittest. The Bay would do well to embrace the concept...
It's interesting to read what folk have to say about bringing the bay back.
I love Hyphy I am from and live in east o. I feel hyphy was a door opening for everybody doing business out here, you didn't have to just be a rapper or artists.
With that said, We 1) are still suffering from the bad business deals done in the 90's. Period. I wasn't doing business at that time but that is part of the problem we see today. -- If someone is rude to me in a store, fukk em I dont spend my money. I buy music, I just bough Bay Area playa 5 again for the 5th time cause that compliatation showcases some of the best at that time of bay artists.-- From Turf Talk to Frontline to FE and BLegit to others. I don't fukks wit KMEL because they don't have enough rotation of bay area artists. Plain and Simple. I dont fukks wit the BET's they don't have bay area in rotation. Again Plain and Simple.
Look at the facts...
EnVogue started by Mcelroy and Foster--
Hammer-His accomplishments as a artists
Complitations--Big Herm
Mob Music--TC Kyhree and others
SoulBeat Music Station--BET can neva eva claim that first we had it
At one time KMEL was the peoples station. When my cousin Plan B died Kmel did a show on him I loved KMEL at that time
How can people then say we don't have good artists? To blame hyphy is crazy azz hell. If it wasn't for hyphy the bay still would have been struggling.
Blame the lack of business unity...Now I do business as a small company trying to get out there, everybody keeps telling me move to Atlanta. Move out of the area. Some do, but then business people are needed if the bay as region is going to be a major player again.
Hyphy was an aggressive form, period. So of course it was going to have a lot of haters. Wanna be hood without being from the hood and living in the hood. tsk tsk
Lack of unity amongst everyone, and a clear direction of what we need to do.
We are in a ECONOMIC BLOCKADE.--if you dont know the definition look it up and then compare it to the bay and music entertainment out here and then you will have a clearer understanding.
Then we allow others to come and steal parts of our culture and profit off of it. Where are the mouths for the bay when that happens? We also need to not only accept the fact but make sure everyone else understands, like Turf Talk says "I don't rep california, I rep the bay".
Know your history and then you have pride of where you come from and what you have accomplished.
Meance II Society--Bay artists featued on that one of the best soundtracks ever, cause of the bay input.
Just some thoughts. I aint going nowhere cause I want to see the bay rise back up again and I know we can and will do it.
T'anne CEO/Elite 1 Entertainment
I love Hyphy I am from and live in east o. I feel hyphy was a door opening for everybody doing business out here, you didn't have to just be a rapper or artists.
With that said, We 1) are still suffering from the bad business deals done in the 90's. Period. I wasn't doing business at that time but that is part of the problem we see today. -- If someone is rude to me in a store, fukk em I dont spend my money. I buy music, I just bough Bay Area playa 5 again for the 5th time cause that compliatation showcases some of the best at that time of bay artists.-- From Turf Talk to Frontline to FE and BLegit to others. I don't fukks wit KMEL because they don't have enough rotation of bay area artists. Plain and Simple. I dont fukks wit the BET's they don't have bay area in rotation. Again Plain and Simple.
Look at the facts...
EnVogue started by Mcelroy and Foster--
Hammer-His accomplishments as a artists
Complitations--Big Herm
Mob Music--TC Kyhree and others
SoulBeat Music Station--BET can neva eva claim that first we had it
At one time KMEL was the peoples station. When my cousin Plan B died Kmel did a show on him I loved KMEL at that time
How can people then say we don't have good artists? To blame hyphy is crazy azz hell. If it wasn't for hyphy the bay still would have been struggling.
Blame the lack of business unity...Now I do business as a small company trying to get out there, everybody keeps telling me move to Atlanta. Move out of the area. Some do, but then business people are needed if the bay as region is going to be a major player again.
Hyphy was an aggressive form, period. So of course it was going to have a lot of haters. Wanna be hood without being from the hood and living in the hood. tsk tsk
Lack of unity amongst everyone, and a clear direction of what we need to do.
We are in a ECONOMIC BLOCKADE.--if you dont know the definition look it up and then compare it to the bay and music entertainment out here and then you will have a clearer understanding.
Then we allow others to come and steal parts of our culture and profit off of it. Where are the mouths for the bay when that happens? We also need to not only accept the fact but make sure everyone else understands, like Turf Talk says "I don't rep california, I rep the bay".
Know your history and then you have pride of where you come from and what you have accomplished.
Meance II Society--Bay artists featued on that one of the best soundtracks ever, cause of the bay input.
Just some thoughts. I aint going nowhere cause I want to see the bay rise back up again and I know we can and will do it.
T'anne CEO/Elite 1 Entertainment
dudes got to really get on the grizzz take the shit outa stat to where they dont know bout us rock er open mike er contest... even if niggas dont win they gone here us...... it only take 1 person who know sombody that feels you to get on . and even if u dont blow u got a staor to tell. im tellen u the bay we the truth treal shit ...... we got that universal swagg.. now i aint no hype dude but that shit authentic the bay made that so why not just get out the bay for a min and show these fuckas what we got hands on "its like da block u got to touch the pavement for some doe to come""