ay whats the deal sorry im not from l.a but are they surenos?Cuz i hear they got major beef with all the surenos out in l.a i thought they claimed sur but i hear they wear black all the time.Any estimation how deep they are i know they like 20+ thousand deep.Cuz i see some in the bay area wearing all black with a big 18 on the back of their head they claim sur or 13 or just claim 18 in form me