Will These Players Ever Make It Into The Pro Football HOF?
- Thread starter The Evil Genius
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1. Because none of those other backs had John Elway
2. None of those other backs were the sole featured back for more then 2 years....After about a year or two they were discarded or sharing the work load so they never got the chance TD got.
3. TD won that MVP award in his 4th year....No other Denver runner even got a 4 year run as the featured back w/o sharing the carries with another back on the team.
4. When I say it was the system I meant the running system...Like I said before none of those teams the other backs played on had Elway which would of made the biggest difference.
Its like this...W/o Elway TD doesn't even get to a SB and w/o TD Elway doesn't win one.
2. None of those other backs were the sole featured back for more then 2 years....After about a year or two they were discarded or sharing the work load so they never got the chance TD got.
3. TD won that MVP award in his 4th year....No other Denver runner even got a 4 year run as the featured back w/o sharing the carries with another back on the team.
4. When I say it was the system I meant the running system...Like I said before none of those teams the other backs played on had Elway which would of made the biggest difference.
Its like this...W/o Elway TD doesn't even get to a SB and w/o TD Elway doesn't win one.
Yall puttin way too much on the system. How many of the runners that came out of that system had more than 1 to 2 good seasons in that same system or anywhere else for that matter? Keep it real. Alot of those runners prospered due to being unknown commodities where there was no real scouting avaliable on them, plus the O Lines must've had some talent in order to get those holes open. Shit by the next year once there was tape on most of those runners, defenses were able to game plan around them, and shut their asses down. You can't say the same thing for Davis. Davis was no fluke my friends. Portis was no Davis so why you would even mention him in this discussion makes no sense. Portis was a solid back, but far from a great one. Davis should be mentioned as a great back, but won't be due injuries.
we traded them all or various other circumstances!!!!!
tatum bell we traded as part of the bly trade, portis was traded as part of the bailey trade, mike bell was suspened droughns and gary moved on after contracts up. so we traded portis and tatum and got way more value in return, why pay for droughns and gary when we knew others would fill same void for cheaper? mike bell was toking up and got caught.
sounds like broncos sold high and bought low...just what you want in a team ownership
so hmmmmmmmm
tatum bell we traded as part of the bly trade, portis was traded as part of the bailey trade, mike bell was suspened droughns and gary moved on after contracts up. so we traded portis and tatum and got way more value in return, why pay for droughns and gary when we knew others would fill same void for cheaper? mike bell was toking up and got caught.
sounds like broncos sold high and bought low...just what you want in a team ownership
so hmmmmmmmm
@ Evil Genius... Most great backs had solid QBs. This was more of a discussion about TD's greatness being ignored. But honestly, all QBs prosper because of a good runner (most of the time) Aikman had Smith, Montana had Craig, Kelly had Thurman, Young had Watters, McNair had George etc etc... Elway had Davis in his waning years.
@ thaScary1: Not only that, Shannahan knew none of those backs were worth the money a team was willing to pay for them. All of them were band aids who could do no more than the one before them. None of them made the team better. If he thought Davis was in the same category he wouldn't have been a consistent starter up til his injury.
Look at some of my previous post and I get into that.
Mike Anderson-Utah
Tatum Bell-Oklahoma State
Quintin Griffen-Oklahoma
Mike Bell-Arizona
Clinton Portis-Miami(had just came off winning a national championship)
Olandis gary-Georgia
U trying to tell me there wasn't no real scouting available for these starting backs on D1 schools?
Hell even Rueben Droughns and Ron Dayne lloked like beast in that system and they couldn't do shit on the field prior to going to Denver and playing in that system
Not really homie...Those baks played very good after their first seasons but roles were just limited cuz they had such a deep backfield Shanahan didn't see a point in just throwing in one back when all of them were doing prtty much the same shit...kepp those legs fresh.
Portis was super raw in his 2 years in denver and actually had better numbers then Davis when u compare their numbers in Denver the fboth their first 2 seasons in the league....I liked Davis alot so I'm not shitting on him...Shanhan traded for Champ Bailey cuz Portis demanded more money after his rookie season cuz he had a monter season and demanded a new contract again after hsi second season...Instead of giving Portis the money Shanahan traded him cuz he knew his running game was gonna be A1 no matterwho had back there in the backfield as far as he was concerned cuz it had already been proven....Portis just happened to be that Denver back that went to another team and stayed super tight and the others didn't.
Mike Anderson-Utah
Tatum Bell-Oklahoma State
Quintin Griffen-Oklahoma
Mike Bell-Arizona
Clinton Portis-Miami(had just came off winning a national championship)
Olandis gary-Georgia
U trying to tell me there wasn't no real scouting available for these starting backs on D1 schools?
Hell even Rueben Droughns and Ron Dayne lloked like beast in that system and they couldn't do shit on the field prior to going to Denver and playing in that system
Not really homie...Those baks played very good after their first seasons but roles were just limited cuz they had such a deep backfield Shanahan didn't see a point in just throwing in one back when all of them were doing prtty much the same shit...kepp those legs fresh.
Portis was super raw in his 2 years in denver and actually had better numbers then Davis when u compare their numbers in Denver the fboth their first 2 seasons in the league....I liked Davis alot so I'm not shitting on him...Shanhan traded for Champ Bailey cuz Portis demanded more money after his rookie season cuz he had a monter season and demanded a new contract again after hsi second season...Instead of giving Portis the money Shanahan traded him cuz he knew his running game was gonna be A1 no matterwho had back there in the backfield as far as he was concerned cuz it had already been proven....Portis just happened to be that Denver back that went to another team and stayed super tight and the others didn't.
And College tape doesn't always tell the true story. I know where all those backs come from so of course they weren't slouches but they weren't great. Especially Portis. He came from a high profile school and was expected to be the man where Davis came in as a 6th rounder and blew the doors off the hinges. no comparison. Portis = 1st Rounder expected to be great, Davis = 6th Rounder not even expected to make the team except maybe as a back up.
Also one key yall not talkin about is the altitude yall play in. The Broncos practice, condition and play in that high altitude where the opposing team is at a disadvantage. Any back playing in a game on a field where they are used to the conditions should do well regardless of the system. Still doesn't make them great. Davis skills seperate any and all the backs you mentioned.
I'm not talking about College tapes....Ur saying no real scouting was available to them as if they played in the Sun Belt conference or for a Black Historic D2 skool.
Especially Portis? He was actually thr best one out the bunch for obvious reasons.....He also wasn't a first round pick but a second rounder.....And they didn't expect him to be the man cuz Gary, Davis and Anderson were already there and Portis also was third on the dept chart coming in so what arr u even talking about "expected to be yhe man?" He showed flashes of being a great back in preseason and Davis and Gary got injured early and Anderson was getting reps at fullback and Portis was pushed into the starting line up.
No one expected Portis to do whar he did......Another fun fact....The day of the draft Shanahan called Niners coach Mariucci and congradulated him on selecting the best back in the draft.....That year Frisco selected the weak ass nigga from Pitt, I forget his name but he had a lil hype behind him but turned out to be a bust.....So there is another reason why Denver wasn't high on Portis like u think.
If Maurice Clarret stayed in skool all three years and played and got slected by Denver like he did he would of put up Davis/Portis numbers too.
Especially Portis? He was actually thr best one out the bunch for obvious reasons.....He also wasn't a first round pick but a second rounder.....And they didn't expect him to be the man cuz Gary, Davis and Anderson were already there and Portis also was third on the dept chart coming in so what arr u even talking about "expected to be yhe man?" He showed flashes of being a great back in preseason and Davis and Gary got injured early and Anderson was getting reps at fullback and Portis was pushed into the starting line up.
No one expected Portis to do whar he did......Another fun fact....The day of the draft Shanahan called Niners coach Mariucci and congradulated him on selecting the best back in the draft.....That year Frisco selected the weak ass nigga from Pitt, I forget his name but he had a lil hype behind him but turned out to be a bust.....So there is another reason why Denver wasn't high on Portis like u think.
If Maurice Clarret stayed in skool all three years and played and got slected by Denver like he did he would of put up Davis/Portis numbers too.
lol@ you two arguing with scary about the team he has followed all his life. I think its safe to say he has a bit more knowledge about them then you guys do and knows what hes talking about.
TD was a beast like you said...that we all know. What you guys don't understand is that it wasn't all HIM that got them 2 superbowl wins. Denver had everything going for them in those 2 years..they were an overall great team with a great HC and GREAT system for running backs to flourish in. Me being a Chiefs fan like I am, I seen that team firsthand bitch slap other teams unmercifully like it wasn't shit those 2 years.
Elway needed TD, TD needed Elway, Elway needed that Oline, TD needed that OLine, Elway needed that offensive system, TD needed that offensive system....etc. etc. etc.
It wasn't just TD that won those bowls.
TD was a beast like you said...that we all know. What you guys don't understand is that it wasn't all HIM that got them 2 superbowl wins. Denver had everything going for them in those 2 years..they were an overall great team with a great HC and GREAT system for running backs to flourish in. Me being a Chiefs fan like I am, I seen that team firsthand bitch slap other teams unmercifully like it wasn't shit those 2 years.
Elway needed TD, TD needed Elway, Elway needed that Oline, TD needed that OLine, Elway needed that offensive system, TD needed that offensive system....etc. etc. etc.
It wasn't just TD that won those bowls.