Will Bush cancel the 2008 elections?

[ColdBlooded]

Yes enough to act, which is why we bet the $50, so your "nope, aint gonna happen" is a bit redundant at this point.

As is the whole thread from the $50 on. But I’m bored and people wanna keep “discussing”/arguing so I’m in.

What percentage of siccness members participated in anti-immigration rallies, marches, protests, etc.?

Probably a percent on par with that of the U.S. population that actually did too. Tha’d be my guess.

(which I don't think will happen anyway).

Possible, not probable, surely not inevitable. But if and when it does I’ll be $50 richer!!

 

[ColdBlooded]

I would openly protest...as would my brother. He was downtown during the WTO fiasco, and he was only 18 at the time...

Does protest = uproar to you?

 

[2-0-Sixx]

Possible, not probable, surely not inevitable. But if and when it does I’ll be $50 richer!!

We'll see. And I'm not trying to lose that money either so I'll fuckin start a god damn revolution by myself if I have to! ::pumps 12 gage::

 

[Fucky McFuckerson]

Does protest = uproar to you?

Is it not a start? Is it better than sitting on my ass doing NOTHING about it?

 

[ColdBlooded]

Is it not a start?

Rarely. It's more of a make yourself feel good fest.

But if that works for ya; go for it.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

Protests are good and you know it comrade. I could just imagine Lenin or Trotsky telling people that protests are simply a way to make people feel good about themselves

 

[ColdBlooded]

Protests are good and you know it comrade. I could just imagine Lenin or Trotsky telling people that protests are simply a way to make people feel good about themselves

:lick:

Shhhhh. Change his name every few months still has me confused with my alias that hurt his feelings one too many times. You’re going to blow my cover.


Plus around here that's about all protests have become. Make yourself feel good fests. Nothing comes from it other than people feeling better that they are not alone, sure that's fine and good to an extent and especially helpful in the right context/situation. But it isn't getting shit done in my book.

 

[GTS]

:lick:

But it isn't getting shit done in my book.

What would be getting shit done?

 

[ColdBlooded]

What would be getting shit done?

Lenin or Trotsky

Obviously there would be lesser degrees.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

Nothing comes from it other than people feeling better that they are not alone

Nah, I disagree. Protests can and do make change. From immigration laws to workers rights to ending wars. Protests are one of the very few ways for the people to truly express their dissatisfaction with the powers that be and they have and are successful in making change. If only they happened more frequently in the US we might enjoy some of the rights many Europeans have won through their struggles (such as more vacation time, higher pay, free/inexpensive healthcare, less working hours, etc.).

 

[pAc0]

i could really use more vacation time and working less hours woud be great(i'm sure the majority feels the same).

 

[2-0-Sixx]

^^Of course!! You know a year or two ago I was talking about how people in Norway, if I remember correctly, were protesting because they were pissed off that they ONLY had 1 month of paid vacation time each year. Can you believe that? So hundreds of thousands of workers protested the government and demanded more vacation time. Factories were shut down, schools, businesses, the transit system, the entire country was paralyzed so the government had no choice but to give in and everyone got another week of vacation.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

Actually it was Denmark and they weren't pissed they only had four weeks of paid vacation, they were pissed they only had 5!!! Here is the quote from the thread:

In Denmark just a few months ago there were HUGE protests across the country; hundreds of thousands of people protesting- why? Because they were pissed off they only had 5 WEEKS OF PAID VACATION A YEAR and they wanted SIX! (That’s 42 days of vacation time a year, not including holidays and sick time!) And guess what? After the protests and strikes the people won and now have 6 weeks of paid vacation a year.

(Italy also offers 42 days of vacation time)

http://www.siccness.net/vb/showthread.php?t=134260&highlight=vacation

 

[Y-S]

I think the title is most likely misleading. It probably should be like "Will Bush cancel the 2008 selections?", I don't know.

 

[Fucky McFuckerson]

:lick:

Shhhhh. Change his name every few months still has me confused with my alias that hurt his feelings one too many times. You’re going to blow my cover.

.

Dont flatter yourself, sweety...it has nothing to do with your school yard antics, trust me.

 

[ColdBlooded]

Nah, I disagree. Protests can and do make change. From immigration laws to workers rights to ending wars. Protests are one of the very few ways for the people to truly express their dissatisfaction with the powers that be and they have and are successful in making change. If only they happened more frequently in the US we might enjoy some of the rights many Europeans have won through their struggles (such as more vacation time, higher pay, free/inexpensive healthcare, less working hours, etc.).

Protests alone don't. That's what I have beef with. This put the kids in the stroller and put a stop the war sticker on them for the afternoon is a make yourself feel good fest.

Your example of the Denmark situation I like because it highlights the difference between the current U.S. attitude towards protest and that of the rest of the world (and how the U.S. used to do it). Walk outs, strikes, blockades, boycotts, etc are far more effective actions. When coupled WITH protests it's even better. I'm all for that and it is more along the lines of what I consider to be meaningful action.

To use the cliche example of the civil rights era. It is important to remember it wasn't a bunch of people getting together to chant catchy rhymes, there were boycotts, mass voter drives, etc, etc, etc. That was what made things effective. The willingness to get your head cracked the fuck in because something is so important to you helps a lot. Bringing your kids along for the experience does not indicate to me something you're willing to get your head cracked for.

Protests w/ strikes, boycotts, the occasional Molotov =

Protests alone =

and shallow

 

[FreedomLost]

That shit just proves my point further as to how much the American people are willing to accept and still the most they do is piss and moan.

Now, the next step is to voice your concern to elected officials. If you get no results that way, run for office.

 

[Rasan]

I agree with CB
and i feel, and Cb you can correct if i am wrong, i feel CB is speaking as if he was a regular american who has normal political views and a normal outlook on america.
your typical american doesn't think 911 was set up. your typical american doesn't think we are at war for oil.
I was lookin at law and order one night, protester starts explaining to the detective about why we are war. detective goes, "I don't care where the gas comes from, as long as it makes it to my benz i am fine." people have no clue nor do they care. but in order for them to successfully cancel an election without creating suspicion, they need to set up another 911 type attack. maybe a suicide bombing for example. but it needs to be more intricate than 911. and if they pull it off, we ain't having an election, bottom line. what would we do if we didn't? anarchy? please. we have no choice. sorry to say

 

[JoMoDo]

The elections will take place in 08, and it will be Clinton Vs. Guiliani (as I mentioned over a year ago)

 

[lifeistooshort]

if anyones still paying attention to thos thread, did u guys trip off that new executive order that Bush has passed against any protests that "aim to change federal or state policies"

In reading everyones comments, i agree with most but something that needs to be addressed is capitalism and its overall efects. The reason we cant make a change is cause thats the way our society is based, there has to be a lower class. In our case the 33rd degree- top of the pyramid are very few, and the lower classes AS WELL AS THE MIDDLE CLASSES stay gettin fuked in the ass.

In the end of the day its all about money and i wouldnt put anything past this government_ only thing we can do is hope we live as comfortable as possible cause this country still shits on many others