Will Bush cancel the 2008 elections?

[City Situation]

I hate to say it, but it seems highly unlikely there'd be an uprising. Most people seem to be asleep. Look at all that we allow to happen now.

First of all, "terrorists" will do something. (Hah, "terrorists".. does anyone still even believe that? well yeah I think people still do). Then people will be scared, just like they are now.

Yes he could cancel the elections, but I can't say right now if he will. We do know that a lot will happen in 2008. Probably many drastic things. Look, Real ID is coming into effect. The NAU/SPP is probably gonna take a few big steps forward.

Like you said, elections are already partially rigged. Next year, they're stepping it up with electronic machines and privatization of the election. (look at that right there, people don't care about privatization, and most likely a lot dont even know about since mainstream media is all paris hilton and whatever)

 

[handbook]

will those who oppose our superb government during times of an "emergency" be put into concentration camps? anybody heard of the rex 84 program?

 

[Hemp]

oh yes they will, since nobody will be stopping him from lockin away those who threaten american stability.

 

[City Situation]

^ Yeah possibly. halliburton concentration camps. i heard rex 84 was fake, and so is the willie lynch thing. Even if they are fake, they still bring up good, valid points.

And I take that back about BBC: http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/february2007/260207building7.htm I forgot about that.

 

[JesterMIR]

I think Bush said it best:

Bush might be an idiot, but he's also the funniest.

 

[ColdBlooded]

Peopel already hate Bush, why would another 9-11 improve that? Wouldnt that prove once and for all that Bush CANT keep this country safe?

Because it's not about bush. It's about America. The 9-11 attack was viewed as an attack on america not it's government or policies or president, at least by the majority of americans, especially at the time. People would quickly rally around a strong leader to help them through such a troubling time. People would be looking for a leader that is going to take decisive steps with the fastest of speed. People would want to see the military out and woudl want to watch CNN as bombs drop on all kinds of foreigners, even at the expense of their rights, liberties, etc. The compalcency of both the opposition party in government and the media would passify nearly any vocal person/people opposed to a strong united front behind powerful leadership ready to take action.

Terrorism does not radicalize Americans it pushes them further to the right. It always has. And it certainly will again.

 

[Fucky McFuckerson]

^^IT doesnt matter, becuase Bush sent troops to the WRONG country after "WMD were most likely there" and weve been fighting a worthless "war" for 3 years now and the peopel are NOT happy...neither are the troops getting sent back for 3rd and 4th tours. Werent the terroists from Afghanistan? In the caves? The mountains? They knew where Osama was the whole time, whata load of shit....then all of a sudden, "well, we are going to into Iraq"...why??? What was the reason???

Your right-winged mindedness really fucks with your logic, homie...it is what it is, right?

 

[ColdBlooded]

Your right-winged mindedness really fucks with your logic, homie...it is what it is, right?

^^^ that shit is too funny

^^IT doesnt matter, becuase Bush sent troops to the WRONG country after "WMD were most likely there" and weve been fighting a worthless "war" for 3 years now and the peopel are NOT happy...neither are the troops getting sent back for 3rd and 4th tours. Werent the terroists from Afghanistan? In the caves? The mountains? They knew where Osama was the whole time, whata load of shit....then all of a sudden, "well, we are going to into Iraq"...why??? What was the reason???

That shit just proves my point further as to how much the American people are willing to accept and still the most they do is piss and moan. 9-11 happened and Bush formally invaded two sovereign nations and has pushed through so many initiatives to curb the rights of the American people. You’re on here every day you post about it and read about it. If people were so fed up why do they keep sitting around doing nada?

Another 9-11 event takes place & people will be rejuvenated for another round of taking it in the ass. We’d be able to invade at least one other country, skip another election, erase another portion of the constitution all before people are even at the level of “unhappiness” with things as they are now. This is still not so unhappy as to cause them to do anything about it, especially anything radical.

 

[ColdBlooded]

Doesn't matter, the Youth are almost always the ones that lead the way. Look at just about any protest in Amerikan history, the crowds are full of young people.

Also the point of my comment was that the youth really don't care about voting. The reason MTV has such a voting push is to TRY and get people to be interested, yet dispite it all they still ARE NOT.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

That's because a lot of young people feel disenfranchised from the two party system, not because they lack interest.

Granted, a large percentage of the youth don't give a shit and are more concerned with iPhones than Politics, but it is the smaller layer of society that leads the way. This is almost always the case throughout history.

 

[Fucky McFuckerson]

That's because a lot of young people feel disenfranchised from the two party system, not because they lack interest.

Granted, a large percentage of the youth don't give a shit and are more concerned with iPhones than Politics, but it is the smaller layer of society that leads the way. This is almost always the case throughout history.

Now, if they could only cast votes on their iPhones....hmmmm...:ermm:

 

[ColdBlooded]

That's because a lot of young people feel disenfranchised from the two party system, not because they lack interest.

Agreed, but . . .

Granted, a large percentage of the youth don't give a shit and are more concerned with iPhones than Politics, but it is the smaller layer of society that leads the way. This is almost always the case throughout history.

It is my opinion that the decisive majority of the youth “don't give a shit and are more concerned with iPhones than Politics” and their only concern related to politics is that whatever happens is OK as long as they still have their iPhones, shopping malls, sports, porn, etc.

it is the smaller layer of society that leads the way. This is almost always the case throughout history.

Agreed, but I do not believe that layer exists, significantly, within the U.S. and if it does it will not be moved towards unified radical change by the postponement/cancellation of an election, specifically if the reason given for it is a “terrorist attack”.


Majority of adults and youth don’t care about voting to begin with. The left over minority can really do without it if given proper reasoning and pacification.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

Agreed, but I do not believe that layer exists, significantly, within the U.S. and if it does it will not be moved towards unified radical change by the postponement/cancellation of an election, specifically if the reason given for it is a “terrorist attack”.

I think there have been plenty of examples in recent history that show this layer exists in society, in large numbers, especially within the youth.

For example:

-The percentage of Nader supports amongst 18 to 25 year olds was above or around 40% last election. That's a significant chunk that felt disenfranchised enough to support an independent, "radical" candidate. In addition to this chunk, around 25% of all voters are registered as independent. In addition to that, one poll stated that approximately 35% of ALL registered voters would have voted Nader if they thought he had a chance of winning (which ironically means if they would have voted for him, he would have won).

-The Green Party grew into a big opposition party, electing 212 Greens to office in 27 states by September 2004 and Matt Gonzalez was almost elected Mayor of San Francisco (almost receiving 50% of the vote).

-All ecent polls suggest that the majority of people distrust both ruling parties, especially after the Democrats failure to stop the funding to Iraq.

-Democrats approval rating is lower than George Bush.

-Millions of people protest across the US in support of an immigrant rights movement (especially on May day).

-Largest protest in Amerikan history was just a few years ago, over 2.2 million people protested the "Partial-Birth Abortion Ban."

-Millions of people protest the Iraq war, before and during the war.

-Students across America have led a campaign against military recruiters in schools, organizing successful walkouts, kicking out recruiters, disrupting school board meetings, shutting down schools, etc.

-WTO/Free Trade "Riots" (uprising) in Seattle (and this was during the "good old Clinton days").

Majority of adults and youth don’t care about voting to begin with. The left over minority can really do without it if given proper reasoning and pacification.

Sure, many people don't give a shit about voting, but that doesn't mean they wont care if Bush is president longer than his two terms!!

The majority of people might be sheep, but all it takes is a spark to ignite the flames, and the spark, all throughout history, is caused by very small layer of society.

 

[Nebulizah]

I think the bottom line is the 18-25 age group absolutely has to get more involved in the future of this country NOW so they're not bitching about how bad off the country is 20 years from now. That's what they dont realize, and aint no MTV or Puff Daddy campaign gonna change that. They need to shape the direction of the country now. Democrats need to stop being the lazy majority because the laziness cancels out that majority every time, then we end up with fuckin shady-ass GOP shit fallin through the cracks and we're forced to just live with it.

I'll tell you right now, if the 2008 elections are cancelled, I'm moving to Canada

 

[Fucky McFuckerson]

Sure, many people don't give a shit about voting, but that doesn't mean they wont care if Bush is president longer than his two terms!!

End of thread.

 

[ColdBlooded]

Sure, many people don't give a shit about voting, but that doesn't mean they wont care if Bush is president longer than his two terms!!

Care enough to act? (and specifically to act meaningfully and in any radical way) Nope. Ain’t gunna happen.

The majority of people might be sheep, but all it takes is a spark to ignite the flames, and the spark, all throughout history, is caused by very small layer of society.

History has never seen a populace like that of the U.S. in this regard. Nor am I possible of convincing that something as meaningless to those people as voting would be any kind of spark to ignite the flames of change.

Seriously, how many people on this site do you think would get out and take action because the elections were called off? 1%? 2& optimistically? Now if the rest of the people are at home distracted by other things and unaware or uncaring of what that other 2% is doing you still think a change is gunna come? How long do you think it would take to put them all down while everyone else is watching reruns of MTV cribs?

 

[City Situation]

^ Yes most of the population is brainwashed and distracted, but I would hope that people would stand up. I wonder what the last straw will be.

I'll tell you right now, if the 2008 elections are cancelled, I'm moving to Canada

You wouldn't be able to. Not like running would solve anything.

 

[Fucky McFuckerson]

^ Yes most of the population is brainwashed and distracted, but I would hope that people would stand up. I wonder what the last straw will be.


You wouldn't be able to. Not like running would solve anything.

Exactly. It takes at least 6 months after you apply for any type of citizenship in Cananda to be REVIEWED. Even then, your status may only be a "landed immigrant"...

 

[2-0-Sixx]

Care enough to act? (and specifically to act meaningfully and in any radical way) Nope. Ain’t gunna happen.

Yes enough to act, which is why we bet the $50, so your "nope, aint gonna happen" is a bit redundant at this point.

Seriously, how many people on this site do you think would get out and take action because the elections were called off? 1%? 2& optimistically?

What percentage of siccness members participated in anti-immigration rallies, marches, protests, etc.?

(BTW, the siccness.net is NOT a good site to represent the youth!! This site represents a niche within a niche within a niche)

Now if the rest of the people are at home distracted by other things and unaware or uncaring of what that other 2% is doing you still think a change is gunna come?

Who said anything about change? I said there will be an uproar. I don't have any false delusions of revolution over halted elections (which I don't think will happen anyway).

How long do you think it would take to put them all down while everyone else is watching reruns of MTV cribs?

Couple weeks maybe, who knows.

 

[Fucky McFuckerson]

I would openly protest...as would my brother. He was downtown during the WTO fiasco, and he was only 18 at the time...