"We cant blame the white people any longer"

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HERESY said:
What cartoons will you be watching?
I was watching the Venture Bros. I downloaded a few episodes. What I need to do is buy their 2nd season DVD if that's out. The show itself is classic.
 

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2-0-Sixx said:
Nah I don't think you ever told me, what was it?
There was this tape I listened to and this preacher guy was playing music backwards, talking about D&D etc. Some of the shit on that tape is still in my head. I remember one song was played backwards and the singer was talking about "Do you really love me, you act like big brother when you hang on the cross", and of course I heard the infamous "turn me on dead man" (#9 by the beattles) and the "satan move in our voices" by some band I can't remember. But yeah I was spooked of d&d because of that tape.
 
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haha, that's crazy. I'd probably be spooked to as a kid.

I've seen two super nerds play D&D with my own two eyes when I was pushin Persian rugs back in the day, and man, it wasn't a site you'd want to see. These geeks had capes and wigs on, talking like they were 17th century Englishman. lmao, needless to say neither one of them had girlfriends (these were grown ass men btw, 27-28 year olds, one of them looked exactly like Mr. Bean).
 
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nhojsmith said:
i think you are in denial. the slave population itself which is the predecessor for a large percentage of modern african americans was selected on the basis of physical prowess. when the slaves were propped up upon arrival to the US they were bought and sold and valued (men) on the basis of how much physical work they would be able to perform.

so why in fact do african AMERICANS dominate all sports here in the US despite poverty, malnutrition, etc. if this is your stance? are you saying in fact that we are not created equal? they are more poor white kids then there are black people of any age in the US, so spare me the "its the only way out" argument. and if it doesnt have anything to do with some selectivity and all black people are simply dominant sports players, then why arent savvy sports teams signing $500 annual contracts to african bushmen, who, in your view, should have the same physical prowess?

I don't know why you writin all that. It's not gonna change the facts I stated that the breeding was only in a certain few select places, and that 140 years ago (if you are white) you would be saying the opposite.
 
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nhojsmith said:
ok man i dont feel like arguing with you on this one or what your sociology book spoonfeeds you, if you have really considered all the possibilites and still think the only reason is because of "predominant cultures competitive attitudes", good for you. im sure you can find me many peer reviewed studies that say that this is the one and only reason for the discrepancy.

you are confusing my words, i didnt say anyone was naturally superior. obviously slavery and selective breeding isnt a natural occurance. i am also not rejecting your reason, as im sure it contributes. if you choose to ignore that the samples of slaves that were taken relative to the general african population were not representative and obviously skewed towards physical fitness, and forget the grueling journey that they took that killed off the weaker ones still, then i really cant blame you, it was a pretty fucked up episode in history.
and how does that add up to someone throwing a ball in a hoop, making expert passes, and catches, hitting a small ball with a bat and so on? If blacks were dominating "sports" like chop the wood as fast and as long as you can, pick the cotton, nurse master's child, get whipped the longest, build the railroad, and etc., I could see it.

I mean if blacks were just bred to be more physical, and therfore are intrinsically better sports players, why don't they dominate in swimming, long distance running (even though they dominate sprinting), and other sports?
 
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ok man i dont feel like arguing with you on this one or what your sociology book spoonfeeds you, if you have really considered all the possibilites and still think the only reason is because of "predominant cultures competitive attitudes", good for you. im sure you can find me many peer reviewed studies that say that this is the one and only reason for the discrepancy.
Of course you don't feel like arguing with me on that one because you don't know what the fuck you're talking about... I wouldn't of had to ever read a sociology book in my life to know elementary biology and human Anthropology.. I don't except that as a possibility because it isn't a fact, and I challenged you to just post one, only one peer reviewed study to back up your bunk theory and you can't do it, you just expect us to believe you (some imbecile who posts on the siccness)?? Pleasee, come with some facts and stop making baseless claims that you read on some conspiracy message board..

you are confusing my words, i didnt say anyone was naturally superior. obviously slavery and selective breeding isnt a natural occurance. i am also not rejecting your reason, as im sure it contributes. if you choose to ignore that the samples of slaves that were taken relative to the general african population were not representative and obviously skewed towards physical fitness, and forget the grueling journey that they took that killed off the weaker ones still, then i really cant blame you, it was a pretty fucked up episode in history.
Ok, say slave breeding did happen, ok.. How is that going to drift into future populations genetically, explain it to me? What genes can you associate to sports, or physical strength? What genes do black people inherently posses now that whites don't? since as you say, they cross bred us like dogs and cats. Are we really so much different than our African ancestors? Are we now naturally predisposed to be more physically fit than them now because some of our ancestors were strong and worked hard? So the art of selective breeding some how artificially played the evolution game, only mating strong people with other strong people, as the weak people on the plantation perished, and the strong give birth to more super humans, and so on until we are bred to be the best sports players in the country? So basically your conclusion is that since no one is intellectually inferior, yet the black man is physically superior, overall the black man is superior? That's a logical conclusion to your argument, the black man can do anything anyone else can do (given the opportunity) and more right? Super human.... Fuck outta here with your babbling nhojsmith, if you can't provide one, just one, one scientifically backed article on this matter (that African Americans are genetically/biologically predisposed to be more athletic) then you're a lost cause.. If you can't do that, you truly aren't worth replying to and all of your statements are hot air lunatic theories..

Oh, one more thing, you didn't address my question about the Asian community.. Since the perception is that they dominate academics, can I see your theory as to why that is so? Who cross bred them to be academically intellectual?:rolleyes:
 
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nhojsmith said:
dude i dont need a fucking peer reviewed journal to verify common sense. since you have such interest in scientific journals, why dont you find me on that the says THE ONLY REASON FOR THE DISCREPANCY is culture!!! hahahah until then shut the fuck up, because your just "ignorant and speculting". look closely, your claim is more narrow minded than mine is, do you even understand that? you say there is only one reason. wake the fuck up little buddy.
First of all, you're an idiot. Second of all, I shouldn't have to provide any peer reviewed study since I'm not the one making false claims, the burden of proof is on you. And I'm not being speculative or narrow minded, you are just being an idiot. I believe in the evidence, and so far there's no significant evidence to back up your theory, even given all of the anatomical/biological studies done by anthropologists and biologists. On the contrary there is strong evidence suggesting a cultural reason, which for now is the only valid reason until proven other wise. White people seem to be better at hockey, croquet, soccer, baseball, and acrobatics, are they more physically adapted to those sports, or are you only an expert on black people?

"The reason why Black people do so well in sports is because, unlike other areas of society, in sports, the objective is clear and the rules are equal" - Jesse Jackson


you are fogetting to differentiate between the samples of people taken. The blacks brought to america werent representative of all black people in the first place. this fact alone makes them more likely to excel in physical activity over the people they were chosen over. why cant you understand that. and you make the same mistake with the asian popultion. the population that is able to immigrate here is predominantly from relatively successful families in asia, these arent fuckin farmers and servants and beggars you jackass. so your sample is already fucked up yet you try to apply it to an entire group of people. whats the word for that....you know, the one you like to toss around a lot, oh yeah, racism, hahahahahhahahahaha.

You have to be the most idiotic person in G.O.M, you don't even fit in, in here.. Anyways, why can't I understand what? I know where slaves came from.. The majority represent slaves from the ivory coast, and yes they did put emphasis on stronger slaves (of course), but where does this fit in anatomically and genetically? Why out of every black person I'm around, only a few are good at or play sports? As far as minor human variation, actually, East (not West, us) Africans are known to be the tallest and most sleek in appearance (which is good for long distance running), but that still wouldn't equate with the discipline, practice, endurance, stamina, natural physical strength, hand/eye coordination, ability to follow directions, natural unique talents, size/weight, and basic luck that all are required for a successful sports career, or sometimes even a successful game/session..

And about Asians, that is definitely the most utterly ignorant reply I've ever read in my on and off history from posting on internet websites (not just the siccness).. I've read ignorant statements before, but a lot were from people who knew no better. This cuts the cake and I believe deeply in my heart of hearts that you have below average intelligence, I swear to God I truly believe that. First of all, Asian immigrants were not all from well-to-do families. You must of forgotten who built the railroads and you must of never heared of the term "indentured servant".. Asians were not all high class during this county's history, and even if so. Let's say that every Asian immigrant comes from rich families and royalty, who were all intelligent as hell, with high ass IQs..

"That is, high IQ parents tend to have children who are less bright than their parents, whereas low IQ parents tend to have children who are brighter than their parents. The effect can be quantified by the equation"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IQ#Regression_towards_the_mean

^Given the endless combinations of mating between different IQs, would almost assure that every Asian wouldn't be smart and every Asian wouldn't be dumb.. The heritability of intelligence or IQ regresses towards the mean average, always. So if we're to follow your logic then Asians were always smarter than everyone else to begin with, even white people.. That probably went over your dumb ass head but of course you don't deal with facts, this is a new concept for you.. So whatever.. Your conclusion, according to the data is, Blacks are better physically and Asians are better intellectually with everyone else in between those two extremes.. You deserve a Nobel prize aftter proving this so convincingly, you are the true definition of science. :rolleyes:
 
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nhojsmith said:
dude i dont need a fucking peer reviewed journal to verify common sense. since you have such interest in scientific journals, why dont you find me on that the says THE ONLY REASON FOR THE DISCREPANCY is culture!!! hahahah until then shut the fuck up, because your just "ignorant and speculting". look closely, your claim is more narrow minded than mine is, do you even understand that? you say there is only one reason. wake the fuck up little buddy.

you are fogetting to differentiate between the samples of people taken. The blacks brought to america werent representative of all black people in the first place. this fact alone makes them more likely to excel in physical activity over the people they were chosen over. why cant you understand that. and you make the same mistake with the asian popultion. the population that is able to immigrate here is predominantly from relatively successful families in asia, these arent fuckin farmers and servants and beggars you jackass. so your sample is already fucked up yet you try to apply it to an entire group of people. whats the word for that....you know, the one you like to toss around a lot, oh yeah, racism, hahahahahhahahahaha.
you actually believe this?
 
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JLMACN said:
Park boyz....did those gentlemen in your sig ever get their medals back?

I know they got taken away from them after they protested like that.

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I'm 90% sure that they didn't.. I read that they were banned for life and highly ostracized in athletic circles.. Smith said he never regretted it though, and I don't either. I believe it was worth the statement.
 
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ParkBoyz said:
1) That sounds like a good gesture but do you honestly believe that first of all? Is it really just that simple? Ok, say theoretically that all young African American students meet the requirements. How many millions of full-paid scholarships would that be? Before we go any further that's just not being realistic.

2) Then are you taking into account the reasons behind why there are proportionately more black children who come from single parent households and live below the poverty line? Wouldn't this ultimately have an impact on the success of the child as a whole, one of aspect of it meeting the qualifications for a good college?

3) How do you figure that? Don't give me that about the black man being physically superior to the white man, because those unscientific ideas are rooted in Nazism. The association that goes along with that notion is that in effect, the black man will be inherently less intelligent, which isn't true and is unfounded..

4) Oh, yea, ok, I don't think that.. Sports are competitive and just seem to be an easy outlet for poor people. During segregation and the first few decades after segregation in sports were abolished, it was dominated by white people..
1) In theory it is impossible, but b/c not nearly enough black kids are succeeding in school, it isn't even close to being an issue.

2) Yep, it's a chicken or egg game. It is unfair for white folks to say that on the grounds of school, why can't black people be just like us b/c obviously they aren't coming from the same place, and that place matters.

3) Bingo. You get it.

4) I agree as well.
 
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ParkBoyz said:
The reason black people dominate sports is the same reason that Asians dominate academics. It isn't because either is genetically superior physically or intellectually, but because of their predominant cultures' competitive attitude towards those aspects of life. A lot of African Americans see sports as an easy way out of poverty and take that extra initiative to relieve themselves from it..
This is one of the most fascinating questions I've ever pondered. From my personal experience, a lot of Asian Americans are very much on board with a racial hierarchy of sorts. Some of my Asian friends, smart computer/math nerds earning close to $100,000 a year at age 23 who went to fabulous engineering colleges, have told me about research showing that East Indians & East Asians to have the best brains for what they call "spatial reasoning," or the type of brain that lends itself to mathematics.

Now exactly how true this is, I don't really have an opinion. They might feel this way as a reaction to me (a white dude) balling on their 5'4'' asses every time we play basketball, or the complete absence of Asian Americans from popular culture or just the general perception among Americans that they are nerds.

But I can tell you there are plenty of Asian folks who, for whatever reason, have accepted this racial hierarchy to some extent.
 
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xpanther206 said:
This is one of the most fascinating questions I've ever pondered. From my personal experience, a lot of Asian Americans are very much on board with a racial hierarchy of sorts. Some of my Asian friends, smart computer/math nerds earning close to $100,000 a year at age 23 who went to fabulous engineering colleges, have told me about research showing that East Indians & East Asians to have the best brains for what they call "spatial reasoning," or the type of brain that lends itself to mathematics.

Now exactly how true this is, I don't really have an opinion. They might feel this way as a reaction to me (a white dude) balling on their 5'4'' asses every time we play basketball, or the complete absence of Asian Americans from popular culture or just the general perception among Americans that they are nerds.

But I can tell you there are plenty of Asian folks who, for whatever reason, have accepted this racial hierarchy to some extent.
I've actually heard of brain studies like that, but they've all been debunked. You heard about that Asian girl from Standford who committed suicide supposedly because of the extreme pressures that she was under to succeed? That's how deep that culture is and how strongly they want to keep reinforcing that belief.. Why not flaunt it, it's a badge of honor. As long as one doesn't use it to disparage others I don't care if you have an IQ of 280..