Wait... who goes to hell?

n9newunsixx5150 · Sep 11, 2006

I have heard Christians explain that spirit + body = soul

They usually refer to Genesis 2:7 -
"And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul."

I have also heard that the spirit returns to God:

"Or ever the silver cord be loosed, or the golden bowl be broken, or the pitcher be broken at the fountain, or the wheel broken at the cistern.
Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
Vanity of vanities, saith the preacher; all is vanity." -Ecclesiastes 12:6-8

So then my question is, who or what exactly goes to suffer eternally in hell? Obviously it is not the spirit since the spirit returns to God. And it is not the soul, since the soul is simply a spirit in a body. And surely a body without a spirit is merely a lump of lifeless matter. Can anyone explain this to me?

scraper707 · Sep 11, 2006

nop,e it doesnt make sense, haha

donte_johnson · Sep 11, 2006

no one!

HERESY · Sep 11, 2006

n9newunsixx5150 said:

I can easily explain this, but I am NOT going to explain it. The reason is people such as yourself are always trying to point out some contradiction or error when you haven't even READ the bible. However, I will point you in the right direction. Pick up a HEBREW CONCORDANCE.

n9newunsixx5150 · Sep 11, 2006

HERESY said:

Oh how puffed up we are! "I can easily explain this, but I am not going to".

And you don't know my intentions. All I know is that I hear about a soul being a spirit + body, and then a verse says that the spirit returns to God. Therefore I am confused as to who or what goes to hell. Maybe the problem is semantic. Please clearly define what is the living entity that persists beyond the body. Is it spiritual? If so, being "spirit" then it's ultimate destination must be God. Otherwise, is there another understanding of "spirit"?

2-0-NINE · Sep 11, 2006

Preferable a Strong's Concordance, it has Hebrew, Greek and Latin. Once again the Book is called Strong's Bible Concordance. If I can find a Cheap one under 10 bucks, I'll hit anyone on the PM and send you one, if I get my paycheck.

Danger Manye · Sep 11, 2006

but i think a spirit is in a living body and soul is when the body is dead
"living soul"=spirit he is talkin to a soul without a body since it has not touched earth in a living man

"and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it". this is pretense, only when the spirit loses its body shall it be called soul. callin it a soul would not make sense, he is talking to a living man

but when God is your father you go to heaven

and when the devil is your father you go to hell

living with sin is living by the devils will, hence the deception-eden

living without sin is living by Gods will, hence the resurrection-tomb

tomb-represents losing your life and gaining the spirit-reborn

eden-represents knowlage of good and evil and gaining the world-sin

spirit-represents the soul, the thing we have that was once was with God

world-represents the sin, living by the devils deception and no longer with God

2-0-NINE · Sep 11, 2006

You as a whole is already a Soul. Body, Spirit and Mind are the SOUL.

If you are referring to Pre-destination yes we are all pre-destined, but that doesn't mean we all know where we're heading. We all are from Adam so Satan cannot be our Father. But in the Old Testament Fallen Angels Were Impregnating Women, Goliath was a Product of a Women and a Fallen Angel. That was one of the reasons women had to wear veils to protect their faces from these Fallen Angels. The Only way you can determine whether you enter Heaven is if you live in Truth, and according to God's will and Believe in Jesus, in the Case of Christianity. If you read from the Bible the Soul does not go to God right when it dies. It remains asleep til the Day of the Second Coming or the First Resurrection. When it refers to death in the Bible Read 1 Thessolonians chapter 4. If this Scripture doesn't convince you that We remain Asleep until the Resurrection Read Acts 2:29 When it refers to King David as he remains asleep until Judgement.

MEXCOM · Sep 11, 2006

HERESY said:

Thank you. Exactly what I was thinking.

Danger Manye · Sep 11, 2006

Stockton209SS 2 Timothy 3:16-Every scripture 1 is inspired by God 2 and useful for teaching, for reproof, 3 for correction, and for training in righteousness,

where did you learn a body and mind is soul

1 Corinthians 6:19 19Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own.

since your soul and body are not connected they are not the same

2-0-NINE · Sep 11, 2006

Thanks for the Corrections. I thought me and Heresy were the Only Christians here *wipes sweat from his head*

2-0-NINE · Sep 11, 2006

Ay Bro, are you too, of No Denomination or Church?

Danger Manye · Sep 11, 2006

you say you are a christian surely, but are you a disciple of Jesus Christ

Matthew 28:18-20 “Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.

Look at the phrases in the verses above: “Make disciples” and “teaching them to obey” Do these phrases match the activities of the American church? Does our evangelism and our teaching of new believers reach below the surface and do these two things? Our evangelical churches grow numerically; people profess salvation. These people begin to live a type of “born-again” lifestyle (at least on the surface)--they listen to Christian music, read Christian self-help books, and regularly attend church. But, as we noted in the beginning of this book--where is the dramatic effect on society that the early church wielded? What have we wrought by our efforts at evangelism? According to our Founder, the goal of our evangelism is not to create church members, convince people who profess a little Christianity, or encourage them to adopt a surface lifestyle change. Our goal as a church, and as individual congregations and believers, is to make disciples who are learning to follow Christ.
Charles T. Buntin , M.S., M.A.R.-The Necessity of a Consistent Christian Life

knowing Jesus is always going to be with you is what I yearn for to finally see him in the end and i hope the same for you.

2-0-NINE · Sep 11, 2006

Well said my brother, and slowly but surely, hopefully with Haste, I can finally get rid of my old habits. Fellow homeboys already know what' up, and if the choice to ever drop the banging stuff was ever a question, no doubt. Call me a softie or a loser, but Loosing my life for a cause that isn't compared to what God has offered me, then it's not worth it. I'm trying my brother, as Proverbs Chapter 3:7 says and I quote "Be not wise in thine own eyes: fear the Lord, and depart from evil." Which right now I'm trying, I have so much issues then Color right now, and it's just Stupid of me to Preach, look out for my family, and then all of a sudden add Colors and this Gang Crap once again in my life. You Stay up Bro!

HERESY · Sep 11, 2006

Me telling you I can easily explain it but REFUSING to explain it has nothing to do with being puffed up. I am not gloating, and if I didn't want you to find the answer, I would have never told you HOW to find it.

You know what your intentions were, and when you post two verses that appear to contradict each other and ask questions such as the ones you asked I agree that you know EXACTLY what you were doing.

Thanks for proving my point.

This is the way you ask for help when you are confused?

Brother, you will get no answer from me.

2-0-NINE · Sep 12, 2006

@ n9newunsixx5150 read this. This is what Heresy is speaking about

http://www.semanticbible.com/hyperconc/E/Ear.html

R · Sep 12, 2006

^ lol
whats a hebrew concordance? i hope it's not a more expensive and aerodynamic airplane aimed at the jewish market segment...

2-0-NINE · Sep 12, 2006

It tells you the meaning of the Original Hebrew Text of the Old Testament! Like the meaning of Elohim, or Elyon, or Adonai, El Shaddai, Yeshua, Messhiach!

n9newunsixx5150 · Sep 12, 2006

HERESY said:

This is very simple. If you know the answer, then say so. Otherwise don't come in here telling me you know but won't explain.

HERESY said:

And what does this have to do with you NOT knowing my intentions? I didn't go looking through the Bible for contradictions. I was actually discussing another topic on another message board and someone else presented these verses in order to explain what is the "soul" and what is "spirit" according to Christianity. So I want to see how this is explained. If it can be easily cleared up then there is no need to get defensive, as you obviously have.

HERESY said:

This thread isn't about your point.

HERESY said:

Why not? Supposedly a soul is a spirit entered into a body. And the spirit returns to God. So who/what goes to hell? One option may be that the spirit doesn't automatically return to God, but that it does ultimately. In this case, one would not dwell endlessly in hell since eventually they would return to God. Another option may be that the "spirit" that returns to God has a different meaning.

HERESY said:

This should be very simple for you to explain. Instead of assuming my intentions and giving me the run around, why don't you try just addressing the points yourself?

n9newunsixx5150 · Sep 12, 2006

Stockton209SS said:

When I click on "spirit", they don't even list the verse about the spirit returning to God.

Can you explain how perhaps this "spirit" is referring to something else? Or how the soul is not the spirit.

Can someone please address the topic directly?

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