@solitary you said:
"Ashkenazi Jews trace to the 12 tribes of Israel."
LMAO! WHAT DOES THE TANAKH SAY ABOUT THE ASHKENAZI?
GEN 10:1 Now these are the generations of the sons of Noah, Shem, Ham, and Japheth: and unto them were sons born after the flood. 2 The sons of Japheth; Gomer, and Magog, and Madai, and Javan, and Tubal, and Meshech, and Tiras. 3 And the sons of Gomer; Ashkenaz, and Riphath, and Togarmah.
IT'S A KNOWN ***FACT*** THAT SEMETIC PEOPLE COME FROM THE LINE OF SHEM AND NOT JAPHETH. IF YOU ASK ****ANY**** RABBI, HEBREW OR PERSON WHO ADHERES TO JUDAISM THEY WILL TELL YOU HEBREWS COME FROM SHEM. WHO IS THE GRANDSON OF JAPHETH? ***ASHKENAZ***. THE SCRIPTURES ABOVE HAVE CONFIRMED THAT. IF THE ASKENAZI TRACE TO THE 12 TRIBES PROVE IT. DISPROVE THE JEWISH WRITINGS AND SHOW PROOF. YOU CAN'T BECAUSE NO *VALID* SCIENTIFIC, HISTORICAL OR ARCHAELOGICAL EVIDENCE WILL SUPPORT YOUR CLAIM.
"These people all came from the same place, the Negev desert and the surrounding Middle Eastern areas."
ONCE AGAIN SEE THE ABOVE. ALSO REFER TO THE TALMUD AND THE CAUCASUS.
"All your Left-Wing, Radical, Psycho babble can't change that."
PETTY INSULTS. I'M NEITHER LEFT WING NOR RIGHT. NEXT YOU'LL CALL ME ANTI-SEMETIC AND CLAIM I STARTED THE HOLOCAUST. YOU'RE RESPONSE IS THE TYPICAL RESPONSE I WOULD EXPECT FROM AN UNEDUCATED SOUL WHO TYPES INCOHERENT NONSENSE. THE MAJORITY (IF NOT ALL) OF YOUR POST IS IDIOCY/INSANITY BUT HEY I EXPECTED NOTHING MORE FROM ZIONIST SHEEP.
"Quit tryn to demonize Ashkanazi Jews. "
LOL! IF THATS WHAT YOU CALL IT SO BE IT. THE "JEWISH" BOOKS STATE THAT THE ASHKANAZI COME FROM JAPHETH. I'M SIMPLY POINT OUT THE OBVIOUS.
"They have just as much claim to Israel as anyone else."
NO THEY DON'T. THE HEBREWS DO.
"It was a created as a sanctuary at a time when Jews weren't safe ANYWHERE in Europe."
?!?! WHAT WAS CREATED AS A "SANCTUARY"????? WHAT IS IT THAT YOU ARE TRYING TO CONVEY? PLEASE ELABORATE ON THIS SANCTUARY YOU SAY WAS CREATED. ARE YOU CLAIMING THAT YISRAEL WAS CREATED AS A SANCTUARY? HOW ARE JEWS NOT BEING SAFE "ANYWHERE" IN EUROPE RELEVENT TO THIS DISCUSSION?
"Because Askenazi Jewish woman were RAPED by generations of lighter-skinned Musovites during the Pogroms and even before that, does not mean that Ashkenazi Jews do not hail from the same region originally."
YEAH MAN BLAME THE MUSOVITES AND MAKE IT SEEM LIKE THAT RAPED ALL THE NICE JEWISH WOMEN IN THE LAND. IF YOU'RE GOING TO DRESS IT UP AT LEAST MAKE IT REALISTIC. YOU HAVE ***NOT*** ADDRESSED THE ASKENAZI, THE CONNECTION WITH KHAZARS AND THE PEOPLE OF RUSSIA (FROM WHICH THE ASHKENAZI COME FROM).
It means that their blood- line and genetics were fused with others."
MORE USELSS INFO.
"Heresy, I notice that you back up some of your banterings with biblical referances. There have been scientific GENETIC studies that have unequivically proven that all Jews; Ashkenazi, Saphardic, all share unique genetic traits and hail from the same region. I'll go with scientific data over the old or new testament."
THERE HAVE ALSO BEEN SCIENTIC *GENETIC* STUDIES THAT UNEQUIVICALLY LINK MAN TO CHIMPANZEES *AND* TO CORN. WHAT IS YOUR POINT? I'VE SEEN UNEQUIVICAL EVIDENCE THAT SUGGESTS THE ASHKENAZI *AND* SAPHARDIC JEWS ARE NOT *HEBREW*. SO I'LL GO WITH SCIENTIFIC, HISTORICAL AND BIBLICAL EVIDENCE. NEXT YOU'LL TELL ME YOU POSSESS THE "KOHEN" MARKER ON THE Y CHROMOSOME. SINCE YOU LISTED "ALL JEWS" AND MADE REFERENCE TO THE ASHKENAZI AND SAPHARDIC I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO ANSWER A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS:
1.WHICH OF THE TEN/12 TRIBES DO THESE PEOPLE TRACE TO?
2.WHERE DO *YOU*PLACE THE ETHIOPIAN JEWS? SCIENCE, DNA AND HISTORY HAVE SHOWN THAT THEY HAVE *HEBREW* BLOOD/DNA.
"I also notice that you seem to blur the line between converts and genetically born Jews. "
ACTUALLY IT'S SIMPLE AND TO THE POINT. I DON'T SEE "EUROPEAN JEWS" AS GENETICALLY BORN ****HEBREWS****. WHILE THEY MAY BE "JEWISH" AND MAY BE BORN INTO A "JEWISH" CULTURE/LIFESTYLE THESE PEOPLE ARE *NOT* HEBREW/SEMETIC.
"This is a big difference. We're talking about an actual people with unique genetic characteristics that originated from the same place in antiquity"
NO RACE/NATIONALITY CALLED "JEW" OR "JEWISH" HAS *EVER* EXISTED. HEBREWS/SEMITES/YISRALI'S? YES. JEWS? NO. IF "JEWS" WERE A RACE ALL "JEWS" WOULD TRACE TO JUDAH (FROM WHICH "JEW" IS DERIVED) AND WOULD BE "YEHUDIM" (CHECK SPELLING).
"VS a religion that many people from other parts of the world have embraced."
ONCE AGAIN:
JEWS=THOSE WHO ADHERE TO JUDAISM/HAVE JEWISH MOTHERS/HAVE GONE THROUGH THE CONVERSION PROCESS/WERE BORN INTO THE LIFESTYLE
HEBREWS=SEMITES, PEOPLE FROM YISRAEL, PEOPLE OF A SPECIFIC ORIGIN WHO TRACE TO *SHEM* AND NOT GOMER.
I'M GOING ON RECORD TO SAY THAT MOST JEWS ARE *NOT* "REAL" HEBREWS AND PEOPLE OF SEMETIC STOCK. YOU SAY THEY ARE "JEWS" AND YOU CONSIDER JEWS A "RACE". IF THATS TRUE SIMPLY ELABORATE ON WHICH OF THE TEN (OR 12) TRIBES THESE PEOPLE COME FROM. GIVE YOUR ASSESSMENT AS TO WHY THEY COME FROM THE TRIBES YOU LIST. I'LL BE BANGING ON MY MOTIF ES UNTIL YOU DO.
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PS LMAO@"VERY WELL PUT." SOME OF YOU AREN'T VERY ARTICULATE.
