Sydal - "Fuck Rap"

[Gemini]

who is saying that?
bro you are living in the past. its 2011. unless you justin bieber, lil wayne, drake, or a huge country star, you are not going to make that much money off of a major deal, period. and now these fucks are making the newer acts sign 360 deals.
if this was the early 2000's, sure, and thats even a stretch. like sydal is saying, if i'm making good money at my 9-5, with benefits, 401k, stock options, i'm not gonna give that up for a gamble of making it in the music industry. gotta think smart, not hard. we all in it for the love of music, but we also in it to make money.

I feel you, but then why even attend a meeting with major in the first place? If what you guy's are saying is common sense why even waste time going to meet with these big labels?

Why would the labels spend money to fly you out and all that for nothing? It all goes back to what I said, if your of value to them, Hence: Much like Lil Wayne, Drake, Justin etc. they'll make you an offer you can't refuse.

Besides, it takes about a year to be signed to a major. Most people live in a fantasy of what they see in movies & MTV. Majors don't offer you money right away on the first meeting. You will have to attend plenty of meetings before that even comes up. They want to evaluate you. It's a process you have to go by. It's not, "I went and they paid for everything and I said no because they wanted me to sell out."

 

[Sydal]

I feel you, but then why even attend a meeting with major in the first place? If what you guy's are saying is common sense why even waste time going to meet with these big labels?

Why would the labels spend money to fly you out and all that for nothing? It all goes back to what I said, if your of value to them, Hence: Much like Lil Wayne, Drake, Justin etc. they'll make you an offer you can't refuse.

Besides, it takes about a year to be signed to a major. Most people live in a fantasy of what they see in movies & MTV. Majors don't offer you money right away on the first meeting. You will have to attend plenty of meetings before that even comes up. They want to evaluate you. It's a process you have to go by. It's not, "I went and they paid for everything and I said no because they wanted me to sell out."

Why go? Because there are a few things you can discuss. You can be an artist, you can look for distro, you can talk as an indie label under a large umbrella. Talking as an artist is only step 1. You have to get your foot in the door before you can shoot for bigger shit.

And who said anything about a label flying me anywhere? They didn't come to me, I went to them...for the reason above. I have more than just a voice and the ability to write...I also have business sense. I'm not looking to be 2Pac, or Snoop Dogg, or Dre, or anything like that...I'm looking to secure a spot in an industry I have a lot of love for. If I can't make enough as an artist, how about as an indie label with support from the bigs? What about my dude over here who is younger and has talent and appeal? What about this singer I fuck with?

See what I'm gettin' at?

 

[Gemini]

I'm sorry, Breh. I don't mean to disrespect, but I will stay real. This all sounds like, "I I I I I I, I'm good at this, I have this to offer... yada yada yada"
...but your still unsigned.

You can't just walk in and schedule a meeting with a major, Breh... sorry I'm not buying it.

You will have to be of value from the gate for them to even consider talking to you.

Again, if your truly worth they're time / assistance with distro etc. they will make you an offer you can't refuse.

 

[Rasan]

fame does not necessarily bring you money.

 

[Foul Mouth]

ok but what if it aint the right price as Sydal stated?

i think he's sayin in general. i respect Sydal's decision. but i think cats put too much on what the perception is of them outside of their family. im not sayin to go do gay porn, or work at Asia SF. but whats the difference between doing songs you dont want to do for a living compared to working any other occupation in life that you dont want to do. i'll do what pays a lil bit better. as fans of underground music over commercial music (regardless of genre), its enrained in our head that the artistic conception and value some how makes the song feel better to your ears. thats an artists worst enemy. and a fan of musics worst enemy. in that case you aint a fan of music, you just a fan of songs. to me a real artist can get an assignment and make it better than what was intended. thats more of a challenge than doing somethin thats "in you". your gettin schooled in that case and your craft will benefit. whats better than soakin game and gettin paid for it while doin what you love? you still have to get artistic. the ones that call you a sell out are just gonna keep you broke if you worry about what they say.


the beat, flow, and rhymes was on point in the shit he posted.

 

[Simpaticone1]

Don't do it unless your 100% happy w/ it ........ Lifes too short bro .

 

[Foul Mouth]

Add that to the fact that the record labels are now looking for a cut of performance.

thats gay. financially, that would be the only real oppertunity for an artist to really get paid while sittin on a major. majors are tryna get everything they can now, but i cant blame'em. if your business minded you cant blame'em.

 

[Sydal]

I'm sorry, Breh. I don't mean to disrespect, but I will stay real. This all sounds like, "I I I I I I, I'm good at this, I have this to offer... yada yada yada"
...but your still unsigned.

You can't just walk in and schedule a meeting with a major, Breh... sorry I'm not buying it.

You will have to be of value from the gate for them to even consider talking to you.

Again, if your truly worth they're time / assistance with distro etc. they will make you an offer you can't refuse.

See, you just jump to conclusions bro. How long ago did I initiate contact with them? How long did it take to hear back? How long did it take me to secure proper counsel? Because a label will not talk to an artist without representation anymore.

I didn't just walk in and say "HI, I'M HERE." You can send unsolicited demos, you can call and talk to reps. I called NUMEROUS labels on the phone to gain permission to send demos...even the labels that accept unsolicited material....just so they knew it was coming.

You know how many times I've heard "This isn't it...send new stuff when you have it" and "I dig your voice, but the song is not quite there yet...keep trying"?? For quite a few years.

And the last statement, sorry to say, is bullshit. Nelly was dope, right? They gave him 8%. That is an offer any smart person can EASILY refuse. He chose not to, and it worked out for him. You can't take a bullshit deal like that these days...and that's the shit they still want to offer folks.

2Pac's deal with Death Row was bullshit...he sold his soul to the devil on that one. I would have refused 2Pac's last deal in a heartbeat.

 

[timebomb]

whoa there people hold up, theres some serious grammer and paragraph 10 page essays wiriting goin down in this bitch,sydal gimme the run down in a nutshell coz i cant be bothered to real all of that

 

[Gemini]

Typical underground artist would of been bragging about having a meeting with a major as soon as they accepted to meet.

Just speaking in general, Breh.

And if this deal that fell through truly can't be discussed because a lawyer is batting for you, shouldn't a be a manager batting for you?

If your still scouting & this really happened, this shouldn't even be brought up anywhere period.

 

[Sydal]

Typical underground artist would of been bragging about having a meeting with a major as soon as they accepted to meet.

Just speaking in general, Breh.

I know. I don't operate that way because I refuse to speak too soon. All that does is make people look foolish.

At the end of the day, I won't speak on specifics of any type of business deal until the paperwork is signed or both parties decide to go their separate ways.

 

[recklessofgilaz]

fame does not necessarily bring you money.

Yup! This guy was famous but I doubt he made any money off his fame

 

[Sydal]

whoa there people hold up, theres some serious grammer and paragraph 10 page essays wiriting goin down in this bitch,sydal gimme the run down in a nutshell coz i cant be bothered to real all of that

Sent demos for a few years, got a phone call, secured legal representation, set up meeting, bullshit deal, wrote song called "Fuck Rap", asked counsel to try to re-work contract, still waiting.

Chances are, it won't happen...not worried, make more sitting at a desk. If I can land a better deal (even as just a businessman), I will take it...not holding breath.

Some believe I have a reason to sit here and make up a story about how I didn't sign a contract. lol.

 

[Gemini]

In the majors everything is paperwork. Down to your features, videos, producers, graphics etc. you nor a major can release shit without signed waivers from everybody involved in that project.

 

[Sydal]

In the majors everything is paperwork. Down to your features, videos, producers, graphics etc. you nor a major can release shit without signed waivers from everybody involved in that project.

Yes, I know that.

 

[Gemini]

Yes, I know that.

I lied :devious:

 

[Sydal]

I lied :devious:

About paperwork for everything?

I have copies of standard label contracts for everything from features, to producers, to publishing, to ownership...and everything in-between.

 

[Chree]

cool story bro

 

[InfamousICON]

for real though, good luck Sydal, hopefully if you do get that good deal it actually pans out. For every Meek Mill that sat on the shelf for years and finally get a little something theres 100 that sit on the shelf and stay there. Good luck breh

 

[radiostationrep]

What ever happened to keeping it real to your immediate family and signing away. Fuck the street shit, if the street kept your family fed then it would be understandable. I think people fail to understand that at the end of it all, it's every man for himself.

If artist like Ritchie Valenz kept it real to his Homies he never would of did shit. He chose his family over his friends & even though it's a movie, that's what everybody should live by.

I know, I know there is gonna be a rebuttal on how real it is and how one has more pride within oneself etc or whatever else used as an excuse. I don't care how it's sliced and diced it's a stupid reason not to sign. In the end, it's not about you and your pride. It's about your kids and family. Fuck the rest of the shit. And when the day comes that my kids grow and ask why I sold out, I could look them in the eyes and say, "You like how your living right? When opportunity knocks, take it! Look at it this way, you could be working a regular job pretending you love it. And taking shit from your boss, so why not do it the same shit on a higher level? It's the same shit, your living a lie and always wanting more. That's why I signed, to give you and your brothers and sisters a better life."

I call bluff on signing due to anybody in their right mind would of went for it & played Gusto for the right price.

Damn, the first thing that came to my mind after reading this was this dude is a snitch or will be one if some real shit went down. but that is just me. Quit hating already....

If an individual approaches it correctly, what Sydal is saying easily can happen. What most artists lack is common sense. Figure that one out and a person can figure out an approach to satisfy their agenda in music. Releasing an album independently or trying to get signed require totally different approaches. Just sending a demo is not trying to get signed. There are many other variables needed to make yourself attractive for even consideration. Labels aren't looking to sign dummies....