REAL GANGSTAS vs. STUDIO GANGSTA RAPPERS..

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Again, the problem is bad parenting, not fake rappers. Address the real problem. That's my point.
Oh I do address the parenting problem, no doubt. As a whole though, we need to address everything that could be a problem. I don't want to ban rap or anything like Bill O' Dipshit, I just think we need to proceed with caution.



Not the rappers' faults. You're essentially blaming rappers for other people being fuck ups and thats bullshit to me. Its a known fact that the vast majority of the people who listen to rap music are suburban white boys. So you're telling me that all these suburban white boys are going to become murderous, dope dealing gang bangers? Are you blaming rap for kids in the hood who grow up into these types of lifestyles? Was there such a thing as murder, drug dealers and gangs in the hood before rap was the thing?
I'm blaming a lot of shit for people being fuck ups these days. Faulty role models, faulty parents, faulty communities, etc. etc. The vast majority of rap buyers are suburban white kids, and suburban white kids also act like a bunch of dipshits these days. Remember the Icy Hot Stuntaz? I see kids like that all over the place, and it's fuckin ridiculous. I'm not saying they are going to become ANYTHING, I'm saying they are going to think the shit is all fun and games until they start getting handled by the streets. All of this shit did exist before rap, but here, let me prove a point real quick.

Bay Rap. Need I say more? How many kids were out there poppin' pills at the rate they do now? ESPECIALLY out here?? How many kids outside of the East Bay were gettin' hyphy and ghostriding before it popped up in rap music? That shit was UNHEARD of in San Jose, now you can see it everywhere. White kids, black kids, asian kids, whatever. My point is, music influences the streets whether we like it or not.


Again, you're blaming rap for a problem that existed before rap. Remember Columbine? Those kids didn't even listen to rap.
Columbine is on a different scale. Those kids felt they were being picked on and decided to do something about it. They were just idiots, and I never said rap music had shit to do with that incident.



That's a great attitude to take but the fact is, nobody has to be responsible if that's not what they want to do.
You're absolutely right. Nobody has to be responsible. However, artists coming from bad areas with problems like these should know that it's nothing to glamorize, and they should actually be speaking against the shit that they hated growing up. You have rappers talking about how rough and fucked up it was growing up, then they turn around and talk about dope it is and how they ran shit in the name of a dollar.



WWF is marketed as real life in a lot of ways, but it is widely known to be fake. Rap is marketed as real life but it is widely known to be fake. Why is one ok for kids while the other isn't?
WWF is marketed as entertainment, rap is marketed as true life shit given to you by the hardest cats on the block. 50 Cent's route to fame was being shot 9 times, shooting other people, and selling crack. It really went down, and he was marketed as some kind of street boss...who bragged about a lot of shit and even put other folks business in his music...because he's SO HOOD!


How bout labels need to not glamorize the shit. How many mainstream rappers would make the type of music they make if it wasn't what the labels wanted to push? And what if the rapper is real and glamorizes that lifestyle? Is that OK since the issue is real vs fake?
You're right here, as well. Labels need to stop that shit. Rappers have a choice though...they can call their own shots and be true artists, or they can be exploited and feed into the bullshit.

Rappers being REAL doesn't mean being a gangster. A REAL rapper is somebody who is true to themselves and those around him/her. If a cat was living the thug shit, and really doing it, and he spoke on it and glamorized it, he'd be stupid. I can't imagine somebody putting serious business on wax like that, feel me? So no, it's not really ok...and no REAL ASS DUDE with some intelligence would do that.


I agree that modern rap is severely lacking in a lot of ways, but I don't think it necessarily has to have a message. Plenty of songs have come out through the years that don't really have a message and are regarded as classics.
It doesn't HAVE to have a message, it just needs to not have the bullshit. Rap can be entertaining, rap can be serious...but rap really doesn't need the black eye and the super thug imagery that makes young folks think it's ok to be a jackass. I remember Eazy-E said something like rappers are reporters for the streets. They weren't here to glamorize it, they were here to tell you what they see, so other people know what's going down. That, in my opinion, is the right mind state for a rapper.
 
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wait a minute, what are you wierdos doin on a gangsta rap website if you're so anti gangsta rap, pro save the children?
It's not a gangsta rap website, it's a rap website.

What's wrong with being pro save the children? That's called maturity and intelligence. The children are the future of this country. If you think the United States is fucked up now, what do you think it will be like with a bunch of dumb ass disrespectful kids running around thinking their bosses?

There's nothing wrong with educating kids on life, but there's something wrong when nobody is doing the right thing and the kids are molding themselves after their favorite artists. It doesn't even have to be rap music, it could be an actor for all I care. Kids take on the personas of other people, and they have since the beginning of time. It's just that now the role models are kids themselves, or they act as such, and there's no positive guidance out there.

People like 2Pac spent time with kids and cared about children he didn't even know...because he understood what needed to be done. Rappers these days don't really care about shit but their bottom line.
 
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What the fuck is your point in all of this mindless rambling? that you had parents who hated rap? fantastic. My parents didnt like rap either. Does that make any kind of fuckin difference to anything that anybody is talking about?
Just like I thought....U have no kids....My point is that u talking about the parents controlling the kids content and I used my own expereince just as an example to show u that kids will listen to it anywhere besides home.....And its a lot more easier now then it once was to get ur hands on it.....No one is rambling but u can keep it more respectful while addressing me cuz I didn't come @ u foul homie.
 
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T.I & Jeezy isnt gangsta rap. Jeezy is trap music theres a difference between trap muzik and gangsta muzik. Gangsta is more of the killing and etc trap is just about selling some drugs and flossing. IMO 50 Cent & The Game(not the radio singles)fits more in the catergory of gangsta rap then Jeezy does.
I hear what u saying but Trap Muzik does fall under the gangsta rap umbrella....Its really the souths answer to gangsta rap just like Mobb Music is the Bay/Northern Cali answer to gangsta rap........Mitchy Slick & Yukmouth talk a lot about selling dope & Mitch is str8 gangsta rap to the fullest but that's not considered like west coast answer to trap muzik....Its still gangsta rap....C-Bo too......And Gangsta rap is far from dead cuz Face's last shit bangs......T-Nutty would fall under the gangsta catagory & he would smash Jeezy & TI on the mic.....I mean that's just my personal opinion so its an open debate.
 
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Oh I do address the parenting problem, no doubt. As a whole though, we need to address everything that could be a problem. I don't want to ban rap or anything like Bill O' Dipshit, I just think we need to proceed with caution.
LOL, you can't run around trying to correct every social ill in hopes of keeping every child from becoming a fuck up. Some kids are gonna grow up to be fuck ups. There's no way around it. It's been like that before fake rappers and it will be like that after fake rappers. I grew up on a heavy dose of gangsta/pimp/playa/thug/dope dealer rap when it was at the forefront and in its prime (in a time period where I myself wanted to be a rapper and never aspired to be a gang banging, drug dealing killer) and I turned out pretty alright.


I'm blaming a lot of shit for people being fuck ups these days. Faulty role models, faulty parents, faulty communities, etc. etc. The vast majority of rap buyers are suburban white kids, and suburban white kids also act like a bunch of dipshits these days. Remember the Icy Hot Stuntaz? I see kids like that all over the place, and it's fuckin ridiculous. I'm not saying they are going to become ANYTHING, I'm saying they are going to think the shit is all fun and games until they start getting handled by the streets. All of this shit did exist before rap, but here, let me prove a point real quick.
This may be news to you, but a portion of these suburban white kids are always going to try to do something to "rebel" against their parents. If that means being a wigger then thats what they will do, but overall its pretty fuckin harmless. The Icy Hot Stuntaz are not going to be the downfall of Western society. LOL what do you mean about suburban white kids getting handled by the streets? Thats their own dumb ass fault for going out of their element. The average pig fucker from snohomish county, Washington (ask Khevlar) knows the streets aint nothin to play with, ESPECIALLY if you aint from there. If somebody is gonna be that dumb to just walk into a real hood and think he's gangsta of the year he deserves whatever he gets and the world will probably be a little less stupid without him anyway.

Bay Rap. Need I say more? How many kids were out there poppin' pills at the rate they do now? ESPECIALLY out here?? How many kids outside of the East Bay were gettin' hyphy and ghostriding before it popped up in rap music? That shit was UNHEARD of in San Jose, now you can see it everywhere. White kids, black kids, asian kids, whatever. My point is, music influences the streets whether we like it or not.
I don't believe I ever said music has no influence at all. My point is that we can't clean everything up in the name of the children. Grown people deserve to have their grown shit stay grown.



Columbine is on a different scale. Those kids felt they were being picked on and decided to do something about it. They were just idiots, and I never said rap music had shit to do with that incident.
You attributed kids picking up guns to rap music. I provided an example where rap wasn't even in the picture. We might as well censor all music and turn our society into a big fuckin episode of Barney & Friends. Fuck it lets just turn rap into High School Musical.



You're absolutely right. Nobody has to be responsible. However, artists coming from bad areas with problems like these should know that it's nothing to glamorize, and they should actually be speaking against the shit that they hated growing up. You have rappers talking about how rough and fucked up it was growing up, then they turn around and talk about dope it is and how they ran shit in the name of a dollar.
You never took issue with people from those areas with those problems. You took issue with "fake" rappers.



WWF is marketed as entertainment, rap is marketed as true life shit given to you by the hardest cats on the block. 50 Cent's route to fame was being shot 9 times, shooting other people, and selling crack. It really went down, and he was marketed as some kind of street boss...who bragged about a lot of shit and even put other folks business in his music...because he's SO HOOD!
So your problem is with marketing teams?



You're right here, as well. Labels need to stop that shit. Rappers have a choice though...they can call their own shots and be true artists, or they can be exploited and feed into the bullshit.
And if they call their own shots and still want to make the same type of music because they know thats how they are going to secure their family's financial future is something wrong with that?
 
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It's not a gangsta rap website, it's a rap website.

What's wrong with being pro save the children? That's called maturity and intelligence. The children are the future of this country. If you think the United States is fucked up now, what do you think it will be like with a bunch of dumb ass disrespectful kids running around thinking their bosses?

There's nothing wrong with educating kids on life, but there's something wrong when nobody is doing the right thing and the kids are molding themselves after their favorite artists. It doesn't even have to be rap music, it could be an actor for all I care. Kids take on the personas of other people, and they have since the beginning of time. It's just that now the role models are kids themselves, or they act as such, and there's no positive guidance out there.

People like 2Pac spent time with kids and cared about children he didn't even know...because he understood what needed to be done. Rappers these days don't really care about shit but their bottom line.
"#1 Gangsta Rap Source" Are you even paying attention?
 
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Gangsta rap doesn't = killing kids.

You can be ''for the kids'' and still listen to gangsta rap. I'm a parent, and that shit falls under the "EDUCATE YOUR CHILDREN'' catagory...You can teach your kids right from wrong, but if you're expecting your favorite rapper to do it, you're doing something wrong.

As far as the topic...I like good music. I don't really care too much about whether or not someone really did shoot someone, or if they really are that hardcore, or if they really did slang that much shit...these muthafuckas are there for ENTERTAINMENT. They're not paying my bills, supporting my kids, or washing my truck. They make music; I listen to it. Period. If Clifford Harris showed up at my door looking to babysit my kids, then I could worry about a background check; until then, I could give a shit.
 
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Just like I thought....U have no kids....My point is that u talking about the parents controlling the kids content and I used my own expereince just as an example to show u that kids will listen to it anywhere besides home.....And its a lot more easier now then it once was to get ur hands on it.....No one is rambling but u can keep it more respectful while addressing me cuz I didn't come @ u foul homie.
It aint so much about controlling the content as it is about teaching your kids the right shit so that they turn into decent people who are capable of critical thought and know how to make the right decisions. If they don't have that then they are gonna be fucked no matter if they listen to 50 Cent or Pat Boone.
 

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Older Tech N9ne was all about killing babies and shit... his last two albums he been more on the real tip... i'm bumpen the shit outa the new nina cd
 

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^ wasn't it about him calling a "homie" to come kill it... in like some back alley abortion shit... either way Tech use to be more on that horror theme rap... now days he is fucken on the top of his game top 5 easy right now
 

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"#1 Gangsta Rap Source" Are you even paying attention?
My point was, people from all sides of hip-hop are on this board...it's not just a site for Gangsta Rap, which means it's open for any and all kinds of discussion. That includes trying to make shit better for children, since a lot of rappers out there ARE trying to make a difference for that reason.
 
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most of these rappers who go to jail go to jail for dealing dope. how many of these rappers really shot a motha fucka? And if they did, would they really want to be rapping about it?


But yeah its entertainment. Maybe thats why fake rappers always get confronted by real gangsta rappers who don't selll.



NEW YORK (Reuters) - Grammy-nominated rapper Remy Ma was sentenced to eight years in prison on Tuesday for shooting and wounding an acquaintance after discovering money was missing from her purse after a night out in Manhattan.

Whimpering for mercy, bad-girl rapper Remy Ma was sentenced today to 8 years in prison after tearfully apologizing to the ex-friend she shot in the gut in a beef over some money.

"I'm not a menace to society and I still have so much to offer," the Bronx-born hitmaker told Manhattan Supreme Court Justice Rena Uviller. "I'm pleading with you to give me a second chance."

Uviller promptly slammed the 27-year-old rapper - whose real name is Remy Smith - with an 8-year sentence for shooting Makeda Barnes-Joseph last July following a night of drinking in the Meatpacking District.

Calling Smith an "extremely angry woman," Uviller pointed to Smith's violent past and her unwillingness to apologize until it was time to face the music.

"She does not have real remorse for her actions, viewing herself in some way as a victim," Uviller said.

Uviller's sentence, which could have put Smith behind bars for up to 25 years, set off fits of crying in a courtroom packed with supporters that included her fiance, rapper Papoose. He and Smith were set to get hitched at Rikers Island Monday until Papoose showed up at the jail with a handcuff key.

A stunned Papoose stood silently in a circle of Remy Ma's pals after she was packed off to prison.

"My job, my child, my freedom, it's all been stripped from me," cried the rapper, who said her thuggish image was nothing more than a "music industry creation, a facade for entertainment."

Instead, Remy Ma's defense lawyer tried to portray her as a loving single mom and former spelling bee champion whose lyrics provide inspiration to the downtrodden.

"This is a woman whose life is very much worth saving," said lawyer Ivan Fisher.

In a letter read aloud to the court, Barnes-Joseph wrote that "never in a million years" did she think she would be shot by her friend, or that the friend would then proclaim her innocence in interviews and a criminal trial.

"I learned to forgive Ms. Smith, but the question is how do I forget," Barnes-Joseph wrote. "She is making it so hard for me to do so."

The 24-year-old shooting victim has undergone surgeries and still suffers numbness in her legs.

"I will always be the girl they whisper about," she wrote. "I will always be the girl who got shot by Remy."

(06-23-2008 -Jailed rapper Remy Ma was hit with a $10 million suit Monday by the ex-pal she was convicted of shooting. In the Bronx Supreme Court suit, Makeda Barnes-Joseph, 24, claims her life has been ruined by last summer's shooting.)
 
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let me touch on the snitching and rappers situation. i could give a fuck less if rappers are accused of snitching (B.A., Husalah, A-Wax) or whoever is involved in the finger pointing these days. as long as they didnt snitch on MY folks then ill listen to their shit. im not sayin go snitch on everyone you know did some dirt. people just take shit toooo serious. "LIKE OMG RICK ROSS IS A COP!" shut the fuck up you aint never been charged with a felony with your one misdemeanor ass. you should worry about Lil Wayne kissin Baby....
 

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LOL, you can't run around trying to correct every social ill in hopes of keeping every child from becoming a fuck up. Some kids are gonna grow up to be fuck ups. There's no way around it. It's been like that before fake rappers and it will be like that after fake rappers. I grew up on a heavy dose of gangsta/pimp/playa/thug/dope dealer rap when it was at the forefront and in its prime (in a time period where I myself wanted to be a rapper and never aspired to be a gang banging, drug dealing killer) and I turned out pretty alright.




This may be news to you, but a portion of these suburban white kids are always going to try to do something to "rebel" against their parents. If that means being a wigger then thats what they will do, but overall its pretty fuckin harmless. The Icy Hot Stuntaz are not going to be the downfall of Western society. LOL what do you mean about suburban white kids getting handled by the streets? Thats their own dumb ass fault for going out of their element. The average pig fucker from snohomish county, Washington (ask Khevlar) knows the streets aint nothin to play with, ESPECIALLY if you aint from there. If somebody is gonna be that dumb to just walk into a real hood and think he's gangsta of the year he deserves whatever he gets and the world will probably be a little less stupid without him anyway.



I don't believe I ever said music has no influence at all. My point is that we can't clean everything up in the name of the children. Grown people deserve to have their grown shit stay grown.





You attributed kids picking up guns to rap music. I provided an example where rap wasn't even in the picture. We might as well censor all music and turn our society into a big fuckin episode of Barney & Friends. Fuck it lets just turn rap into High School Musical.





You never took issue with people from those areas with those problems. You took issue with "fake" rappers.





So your problem is with marketing teams?





And if they call their own shots and still want to make the same type of music because they know thats how they are going to secure their family's financial future is something wrong with that?
Ok, let's quit going around in circles here. I never said we need to censor rap music, nor did I say we need to get rid of it. I can't say that, because rap music is what I do...from production, to writing, to recording...I live for this shit. I have shit that won't be suitable for my children, but at the same time, if they heard my shit it wouldn't breed ignorance in them. I'm not saying Snoop Dogg or any rapper for that matter is responsible for societies ills...I'm saying irresponsible behavior by rappers contributes to a lot of the shit we see on the streets. Whether it be wiggers or a bunch of dudes poppin' E and ghostridin' their shit.

REAL Gangster Rappers in general have had a positive influence. Bloods & Crips working together, appearing live together, doing videos together...that's positive as FUCK, even if they talk about what hood they're from, what gang they're tied to, and what they believe in. At the end of the day, they show that all this shit can be set aside for something positive (in this case, it's money). On the other hand, we have these industry cats that allow themselves to be exploited for better money. My beef is with those cats AND their marketing teams...not just one or the other. Marketing teams should know better, and rappers, as ARTISTS in the SPOTLIGHT, should hold on to what they TRULY believe in. Instead, they run around acting like Italian mob bosses, talkin' like there's NOTHING in this world besides pussy, money, and guns. They FEED ignorance, and kids ABSORB ignorance.

Fact of the matter is, you can teach your children everything under the sun...that doesn't mean they will listen to you.

Now, you can't sit there and tell me that rap music has never dictated a persons actions before. Music PERIOD sets moods, from Al Green to Billie Holiday, from Aerosmith to 50 Cent. Music all across the board sets moods, and some people don't know how to handle emotions very well, so they act on them. Did "Hit 'Em Up" ever make you wanna go see somebody you had beef with? It made me mad as fuck, but I had enough self control so I never went and acted on those emotions. At the same time, I've seen dudes listen to shit that pumped 'em up, and 5 minutes later they were swingin' on somebody.

This is coming from a rapper...and I'm not the ONLY rapper that is saying this shit. You have some industry rappers out there saying the same shit...so are they wrong, too? Are all the rappers that say we need to be responsible when we say and do shit, wrong?

We can't correct societies ills, but we can definitely plant the seeds and help try to change shit.