RACE AND RAP: DOES DIVERSITY IN THE BAY HOLD US BACK?

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DOES THE RACIAL MAKEUP OF THE BAY HOLD US BACK?

  • WE NEED TO PUT BLACKS AND LATINOS BACK IN CHARGE TO PRESERVE THE INTEGRITY OF THE MUSIC

    Votes: 16 16.7%

  • RACE IS NOT AN ISSUE WHEN IT COMES TO RAP

    Votes: 36 37.5%

  • THE MUSIC JUST SUCKS

    Votes: 25 26.0%

  • THINGS ARE FINE THE WAY THEY ARE

    Votes: 19 19.8%
  • Total voters
    96
  • Poll closed .
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MaddDogg

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There aint nothing related to race that is holding the Bay back.

The following are the reasons the Bay has not blown up:

1. Hyphy has become crunk's cousin instead of its own movement.

2. 30 people get on stage during a rappers set (good bye BARS Awards).

3. Albums are watered down. Names are plastered on CDs that these people dont even know about. I wish I had a nickel or dime for every San Quinn "4.5.7. is the Code #3" and Keak Da Sneak "Kunte Kinte" I saw on the east coast...not one "The Rock" or "Copium" on the shelves.

Plenty more reasons if youd like.
 
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Chinese Mike

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doodiejones said:
this thread has really become an eye-opener. not because of the race issue, but because of the total lack of knowledge about the origin of the art form. people asking questions like, "what did puerto ricans do to invent hip hop?"

i think people forget the origin of the art form. there is nothing wrong with ALL races participating in the art form. the problem my friend was talking about is the decision makers who call shots and determine whats hot and whats not. its nothing wrong with an a&r or a dj not being black or latin, they just need to be in touch with the culture. sure there are a lot of non-minorites in the bay music game, but only a FEW are real TREN-DSETTERS. and thats the key.....

trend-setters and risk-takeres are what keeps hip hop alive and fresh
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you can count the amount of djs that acually break records on one hand. djs being dickriders has nothing to do with race
 
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Chinese Mike

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MaddDogg said:
3. Albums are watered down. Names are plastered on CDs that these people dont even know about. I wish I had a nickel or dime for every San Quinn "4.5.7. is the Code #3" and Keak Da Sneak "Kunte Kinte" I saw on the east coast...not one "The Rock" or "Copium" on the shelves.
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MrPeete said:
There's just a lack of business acumen amongst those within and who are in touch with the hip hop culture (in the bay). [/I])
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A lot of those one-off albums are basically what amounts to a mixtape, but the avg consumer doesn't know that and it hurts the artist in the long run.
 
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Legendgary

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May 11, 2005
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ALMOST A GOOD POINT

But let’s be honest...
HOW MANY BAY AREA RECORD LABLS ARE RAN BY NON-BLACKS
So to say they are controlling the sound that comes out the bay is crazy.

Are sound in the BAY AREA is where it is GOOD & BAD because of the people that care about there career and the people who don't simple... GO get a fan base and cultivate it so u can grow with them and you will have a great RAP career no matter what RACE YOU ARE...

G.Archer
 
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livemanikins

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Aug 7, 2006
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TO doodiejones,

the more diversity the better, if you think about it since we have this many races into it don't you think we will be accepted in more places and move as a much bigger movement ya feel
 
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on one

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doodie: I think the way your saying it is wrong, you're making anyone whos not black or latino feel left out with the whole rap scene, I think what u meant was that people making the decisions shouldn't be entitled to it because they don't really know much about rap and wat's good. I think it's all wrong to throw in race as the factor
 
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J.COLOMBO

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doodiejones said:
HAD A DISCUSSION WITH SOME OF MY PEOPLES ACROSS THE COUNTRY ABOUT THE CURRENT STATE OF RAP AND THE BAY AREA'S POSITION.

WE CAN ALL AGREE THE ORIGINS OF RAP BEGAN WITH BLACKS AND RICANS IN NEW YORK, WHICH MAKES IT A BLACK AND LATINO ART FORM. OVER TIME, THE CULTURE HAS SPREAD AND EVOLVED AND REACHED THE MAINSTREAM WHICH IS GREAT. THIS IS WHERE THEY CLAIM THE PROBLEM BEGINS FOR THE BAY. DURING THE GOLDEN AGE OF THE BAY, (1985-LATE 90'S) WHEN THE BAY WAS SELLING AND GETTING SHINE BLACKS AND LATINOS WERE IN CONTROL OF THE CULTURE. HE SAID IN THE LAST 10 OR SO YEARS, A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE BAY AREA SCENE WHO ARE SO-CALLED "FACTORS" ARE NOT BLACK OR LATINO. BEYOND THAT, THEY ARE NOT A TRUE PART OF THE CULTURE. HE SAID THAT THE BLACKS AND LATINOS WHO MAKE THE RECORDS HAVE TO GET APPROVAL AND BACKING FROM PEOPLE WHO ARENT PART OF THE CULTURE. HE GAVE AN EXAMPLE OF COUNTRY MUSIC:

HOW WOULD IT LOOK IF GARTH BROOKS HAD TO SUBMIT HIS RECORDS TO A BLACK MAN IN THE GHETTO? A BLACK MAN MAY TELL GARTH BROOKS THAT HE NEEDS TO MAKE CHANGES THAT WOULDNT BE RELEVENT TO THE COUNTRY MUSIC CULTURE BECAUSE HE ISN'T IN TOUCH WITH THINGS. A BLACK MAN DOESNT KNOW WHAT A COUNTRY MUSIC FAN WANTS OR WHATS HOT IN THE WORLD OF COUNTRY, BECAUSE HE IS NOT A PART OF THE CULTURE. WHO IS YOUR PROMINENT BLACK OR LATINO DECISION MAKER IN THE BAY AREA MUSIC SCENE? DO YOU HAVE ONE? HE SAID THATS THE PROBLEM IN THE BAY.

HE SAID THAT IF YOU LOOK LOOK AT THE SOUTH, THE EAST, AND MIDWEST, THE PEOPLE WHO MAKE THE MUSIC AND PUT IT OUT ARE 90% OF THE TIME BLACK OR LATINO. OBVIOUSLY RECORD EXECS AND PEOPLE HIGHER UP AT LABELS ARE OF OTHER RACES. BUT HE MEANT ON MORE OF A LOCAL LEVEL. BLACKS AND LATINOS RUN THE MUSIC SCENE ON A LOCAL LEVEL IN ALMOST EVERY MAJOR MARKET IN THE COUNTRY. HE SAID THE BAY HAS TOO MANY PEOPLE RUNNING THINGS WHO ARENT PART OF THE CULTURE...

WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK ABOUT WHAT HE SAID????
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I THINK POST'S LIKE THIS HOLD IT BACK.HOW DUMB DID THAT WHOLE THING SOUND.IVE LISTENED TO RAP SINCE I WAS 4-5 YEARS OLD....NEVERMIND...I DONT EVEN KNOW HOW TO EXPRESS HOW DUMB THIS THREAD IS SO IM NOT EVEN GONNA GET INTO IT...
 
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J.COLOMBO

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Chinese Mike said:
my opinion is that because we are such a diverse community it is in fact the artists fault that the music has not caught on - because they're only appealing to the ear of their (black) communities rather than the bay community as a whole. hyphy/mob cats tend to speak from a limited point of view rather than on subjects that affect all races of ppl who live in the bay.

the other problem is that hyphy/mob cats have a hard time touring, wheras "backpackers" dont. without touring its hard to build a core fanbase, especially for independent acts.
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OK THIS IS KINDA WHAT I WAS THINKING...AND ANOTHER THING YOU SAID DOWN SOUTH?WHAT ABOUT PAUL WALL.AND NEW YORK HAS EVERY RACE HIP HOP ARTIST AND THEYRE ALL GOOD..
 
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JimmydaButcher

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May 12, 2002
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Bottom line Hip Hop is a street Culture. It has nothing to do with Race. Diversity doesn't hold us back, Its what sets us apart. The Bay is damn near the only place in the world where you can find Blacks Whites Latinos Asians whatever all running together. As for the Label Execs you speak of...They pay people to find talent in different music genres they're called ANR's. My 4.15 common cents

Btw for example...White Black Latino Asian and an Indian Cat Represent on our new mixtape we're putting out there. Old school New school Dance Hall Euro Trash Classic Rock.... All that shit got slapped around now thats diversity. Check it out yall

http://myspace.com/buymairecords
 
maganar

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doodiejones said:
yeah diversity....the fact we have a melting pot in the bay. there are some nationalities you see in the bay that are rare in other parts of america..... for example, go to atlanta and see how many asian or filipino people you see.

my potna from new orleans moved out here after katrina an was amazed when he saw fillipino girls. its was funny, but it put things in perspective
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You act like pino's arent around that much... Go to North Carolina and see how many there are. I dunno about ATL but I know there's hella in NC and SC which aren't that far from GA. I say go to any navy town and you'll see a lot of them. In my hometown in WA (and all over WA) there's alot of us. Now as far as music biz, I dunno how big of a part my culture plays in it (other than Black eyed peas and Nump) bebo you bz. HAHA... But I don't really think diversity is a down fall...
 
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Dhadnot

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hip hop is not based on street culture, its based on black street culture and to an extent latino street culture. Race isn't holding the bay back, hyphy just didn't catch on.
 
DUTCH-F.E

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pharoh, i wasnt speaking on flo masters music, i was saying "your friend" might need to concentrate on making good music that fits the format and sound the "radio" is looking for. cause lets face it, all the connects in the world are worthless with out good music and a movement behind it....

even chicken noodle soup had a dance right???? its not rocket science.
 
shame

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lol.....this thread went wrong in so many different ways...

To me at least, all he was sayin was that basically people out side of the culture of hip-hop (despite thier race) hold the bays progression back because real hip-hop artists need the ok of someone who really doesnt know shit about the true culture.

Heres an example.....lets say you have some DJ (who might happen to be white and didnt nessesarily grow up "living" hip-hop)....maybe this dude was into house music or the party scene in general and fell into the promotion game or radio brodcasting ect. ......

NOW..... heres my point, once rap music becomes a trend and big in that same scene (meaning the party scene or radio ect.) this person feels they have to adapt to fit that "hip-hop" stereotype.....like over using slang in a corny way, or over dressing the part, basically overdoing all the trendy shit that comes along with something getting popular. All of a sudden this person is in a position to make decisions that affect a culture they really never had a whole lot to do with.

Its like how a white (just as an example) radio cat might think he has a pass to drop the n-bomb just because he is now "part of the industry"....and "thats how rappers talk". Since most artists need his support to push that record alot of them will not call him out on that simply because it might hurt thier career... thus this radio dude thinks what he is doing is ok.

I consider myself more white then anything else and this shit made perfect sense to me.....its not a racial thing its a culture thing.

I think it was DJ Pimpin that said basically if you can spit you can spit, if your garbage your garbage......if you just do you people will respect that, but if you try and fake it folks will catch on.
 
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pharoah

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DUTCH-F.E said:
pharoh, i wasnt speaking on flo masters music, i was saying "your friend" might need to concentrate on making good music that fits the format and sound the "radio" is looking for. cause lets face it, all the connects in the world are worthless with out good music and a movement behind it....

even chicken noodle soup had a dance right???? its not rocket science.
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actually it was not about an artist trying to get on the radio. some dudes we met basically said they could not take the bay industry serious, because all the writers, street promoters with big accounts and radio dj's they met were non black. and trust me cash cleaned it up alot before he posted. you have to wonder how many others feel this way but do not have the heart to express it.
 
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scodylan

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doodiejones said:
this thread has really become an eye-opener. not because of the race issue, but because of the total lack of knowledge about the origin of the art form. people asking questions like, "what did puerto ricans do to invent hip hop?"
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Reading comprehension, folks. I'm talking about RAP MUSIC...what did Puerto Ricans do early on to gain 50% ownership of the "founder" title?

As far as total lack of knowledge, I'd bet hella motherfucking money I know more about hip-hop history than a good 90% of the people that read this forum.

Please prove me wrong, it was a QUESTION...help me find some early influential Puerto Ricans in rap music? Yes, I know they did their thing and molded breakdancing and grafitti, but what about the MUSIC?

And if you say you can't separate them, then we're just gonna have to agree to disagree. I think the whole five elements thing is bullshit.
 
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