Oscar De La Hoya VS. FLoyd Mayweather Jr..

[ParkBoyz]

Firstly, LMAO @ the people still voting for Floyd!

I don't need to make the case for De La Hoya, he already has made it for himself (Hernandez, Ruelas, Quartey, Trinidad, Mosley in the rematch, and Whitaker although he was past his prime, at least DLH fought him while others ducked him).
The only problem is that a hater will never give him any credit.

You're naming people that De La Hoya lost to, how is that helping your argument? Again, Mayweather beat Hernandez also and Quartey is far from a legend, I don't even know who the other guy is. Also "Hater" is such a strong word, no reason to get so personally invested, lol..

And the point you missed is that beating Gatti is pointless....

^The point is that you don't have one..

Who said Floyd was afraid?

Nobody, only pointing this out so you won't use the "Oscar has fought better competition" bullshit as some type of argument, since Floyd has been calling out Oscar for years and fighting all of Oscar's former opponents.

Roy was definately one of the best, I'll agree that much.
But he's a victim of circumstances.

^Agreed..

I didn't see any evidence of Floyd being the better fighter on Saturday night.
I saw that De La Hoya may have been the better of the two, but he refused to handle his business. Floyd on the other hand didn't even fight hard enough to try to prove his point of being the best p4p.
The only thing that can clear this up for the most part is a rematch.

That's because frankly sir, you're either blind or in denial, Floyd was obviously the better fighter which is why he won and why Oscar admitted it in the post-fight press conference. There needs to be no rematch since Floyd won, and quite easily (compared to others who beat De La Hoya).. Floyd is the best p4p because no one has beaten him nor have they beaten their respective competition as decisively as Floyd.

Subjective:
3 a: characteristic of or belonging to reality as perceived rather than as independent of mind.
4 a (1): peculiar to a particular individual : personal <subjective judgments>.
(2): modified or affected by personal views, experience, or background
<a subjective account of the incident>.
b: arising from conditions within the brain or sense organs and not directly caused by external stimuli <subjective sensations>.
c: arising out of or identified by means of one's perception of one's own states and processes <a subjective symptom of disease>.

Soak the definition of the word subjective for a while.
Now go back and re-read my post.


Back again? Re-read the definition 7 times 7 times 7.
Re-read my post one last time.
Only respond to my post once you have come to an understanding of the word "subjective".

^Okay, this was a pathetic attempt at being condescending only it was too desperate, I'm glad that you learned a new fifth grade English word, now please go back and read my response to what you said instead of assuming that I misinterpreted you, because posting all of that was redundant.

I'm ok with running as long as you win enough rounds to earn a decision in your favor. Floyd failed to win enough rounds to call it an easy victory....

Again, running is what De La Hoya did in his fight with Trinidad, Floyd put on a clinic and ended the fight the same way, unlike De La Hoya..

 

[MOREBASS]

^ You miss my post ?

Here it is again.

Judges don't give points based on punch stats. They are supposed to base points on EFFECTIVE AGGRESSION. I'm a huge Floyd fan, and have been following him for years, since before he was headlining PPV bouts.


Alright, since your so stuck on trying to discredit Oscar's career, here's a breakdown...

130 Pounds

Titles: Mayweather (World Champion 1998-2002); De la Hoya (WBO belt 1994)
Notable Foes: Mayweather (Genaro Hernandez, Angel Manfredy, Diego Corrales, Jesus Chavez). De La Hoya (None&#8230;or Jimmi Bredahl)
Advantage: Mayweather

^ 130 was easily Floyd's 'claim to fame' and the best run of his career. Floyd was unfuckwidable @ 130, and might have been one of the best to ever hold the title down in that weight division...shit...maybe even THE BEST ever.


135 Pounds

Titles: Mayweather (World Champion 2002-2004); De la Hoya (WBO 1994-95, IBF 1995)
Notable Foes: Mayweather (Jose Luis Castillo). De la Hoya (Jorge Paez, John-John Molina, Rafael Ruelas, Genaro Hernandez, Jesse James Leija)
Advantage: Push



^ Floyd had probably the best win @ 135, but at the same time, he lost the first fight with Castillo. Hands down. Also, Floyd ducked Stevie Johnston, who would have more than given Floyd a run for his money.

140 Pounds

Titles: Mayweather (WBC belt 2005); De la Hoya (World Champion 1996-97)
Notable Foes: Mayweather (DeMarcus Corley, Arturo Gatti). De la Hoya (Julio Cesar Chavez, Miguel Angel Gonzalez)
Advantage: De La Hoya


^ Oscar easily faced the better opposition @ 140. And Floyd fought who ? Arturo Gatti...? DeMarcus Corley...? LMAO...and if you saw the fight with Chop Chop, you would see that he rocked Floyd several times throughout that fight. Not to mention. Oh yeah, Floyd ducked Kostya Tszyu and Ricky Hatton. Probably the two most worthy opponents in the division.
147 Pounds

Titles: Mayweather (World Champion 2006-Present); De La Hoya (World Champion 1997-99; WBC belt 2000)
Notable Foes: Mayweather (Zab Judah, Carlos Baldomir). De la Hoya (Pernell Whitaker, Julio Cesar Chavez, Ike Quartey, Oba Carr, Felix Trinidad, Shane Mosley, Arturo Gatti)
Advantage: De La Hoya, no question about it.



^ No need to explain here, Oscar faced everyone who was anyone @ 147. Sure, he didn't win all of 'em, but the point is that he didn't duck them, he took on all challengers. Thats what a Champ does !

Oscar above 147

Titles: 154 lb. World Title (2001-03); WBC belt 2006-Present; WBO belt at 160 lbs. (2004)
Notable Foes: Javier Castillejo, Fernando Vargas, Shane Mosley, Felix Sturm, Bernard Hopkins, Ricardo Mayorga.

^ All world class opponents, again. Not all victories, but Oscar had the balls to take them all on, no questions asked. So as you can see, Oscar clearly has faced the better opposition. Sure, he did pick up a few L's, but you know what ? So might have Floyd if he had faced the top . But instead, he took the easy route.


Not to take anything away from Floyd, again, I've been following his career since before he was headlining PPV bouts. I'm just saying, Oscar is no slouch, and he's probably the greatest fighter of our generation, regardless of what happened on Cinco De Mayo.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

B-Hop owns southpaws. 10-0 against them in his career. Might be 11-0...but for sure...10. Plus, B-Hop's ring generalship is unmatched, and his boxing IQ is too.

Winky is no slouch, but he's gonna have a hard time throwing that jab with the straight right in his grill all night.

I will bet my left arm and right big toe on Hopkins.

 

[MOREBASS]

Haha...I'll put my spleen and one of my kidneys on him too.


Plus, the catch weight is 170, Wink has never fought above 160. Advantage B-Hop.

 

[ParkBoyz]

damn near knocked that nigga out...but he doesn't have any power ^_^

^Hahaha! Now this is just embarrassing.. No amount of boxing jargon and spin language can argue around the numbers, decision, and actual fight footage, collectively. I mean, the shit is clearer than day, look at how he makes De La Hoya look!

 

[Don Hollywood Godzilla]

I was impressed with B-hop when he fought Tarver but JT made him look foolish and Winky is gonna have an answer for everything Hopkins brings that night. Dont forget Winky's the guy who swept Trinidad 12 rounds to nothing and beat Mosely decisively twice, he can make great boxers look amateur as hell.

 

[Tony]

Triple threat... you're a fool dog! LOL....

Yeah De La Hoya almost got knocked out.... great counter-punch from Mayweather. If they were in the middle of the ring Floyd would have scored a knockdown... people don't appreciate the sweet science of boxing!

Floyd whooped that busta!

 

[Don Hollywood Godzilla]

And why does racist shit even make it into this thread? I doubt any people here are illegal immigrants (illegal immigration is scummy and nothing to be proud of), and African countries are all corrupt and set the standard for the poorest uncoordinated nations on earth. Whole worlds fucked up, keep it boxing in here lol.

 

[MOREBASS]

Parkboyz ducking my response like Floyd ducks opponents. OooOoOOOoOhhHHhHhh !

 

[2-0-Sixx]

I was impressed with B-hop when he fought Tarver but JT made him look foolish and Winky is gonna have an answer for everything Hopkins brings that night. Dont forget Winky's the guy who swept Trinidad 12 rounds to nothing and beat Mosely decisively twice, he can make great boxers look amateur as hell.

First off, B-hop looked very impressive at light heavyweight, he carries that weight very well and I think he is naturally more of a light heavyweight, so we agree on that point.

Second, WTF (gay colors added for gay comment!) are you even talking about TJ made Hopkins look foolish?!?!?! Both fights, could have gone either way (I actually had hopkins winning BOTH and so do a lot of people) and TJ almost got knocked the fuck out in fight 1 in or around the 10th round (man if only I can find a clip to post!). TJ didn't even hurt hopkins once in all 24 combined rounds!

Yeah and don't forget that Hopkins is the one that knocked out Trinidad before Wright fought him, not too mention he knocked out De la hoya too!! Neither fighter was ever the same again, same goes with Tarver. Hopkins ends fools careers

 

[ParkBoyz]

Judges don't give points based on punch stats. They are supposed to base points on EFFECTIVE AGGRESSION. I'm a huge Floyd fan, and have been following him for years, since before he was headlining PPV bouts.

And what was so effective about De La Hoya's spurt and flurry, hit and miss aggression? Also, who ever told you that judges don't count punches lied to you anyways..

Alright, since your so stuck on trying to discredit Oscar's career, here's a breakdown...

130 Pounds

Titles: Mayweather (World Champion 1998-2002); De la Hoya (WBO belt 1994)
Notable Foes: Mayweather (Genaro Hernandez, Angel Manfredy, Diego Corrales, Jesus Chavez). De La Hoya (None&#8230;or Jimmi Bredahl)
Advantage: Mayweather

^ 130 was easily Floyd's 'claim to fame' and the best run of his career. Floyd was unfuckwidable @ 130, and might have been one of the best to ever hold the title down in that weight division...shit...maybe even THE BEST ever.

^I agree, but Floyd was unfuckwitable above 130, any claims to the contrary doesn't past the test of Occam's razor..

135 Pounds

Titles: Mayweather (World Champion 2002-2004); De la Hoya (WBO 1994-95, IBF 1995)
Notable Foes: Mayweather (Jose Luis Castillo). De la Hoya (Jorge Paez, John-John Molina, Rafael Ruelas, Genaro Hernandez, Jesse James Leija)
Advantage: Push



^ Floyd had probably the best win @ 135, but at the same time, he lost the first fight with Castillo. Hands down. Also, Floyd ducked Stevie Johnston, who would have more than given Floyd a run for his money.

^I don't see how he lost to Castillo at all, he beat Castillo by a wider margin the first fight than in the second, the best you can do is give your opinion on what coulda, shoulda, woulda happened, but what did happen is that Floyd won both fights. The point is that Floyd won every fight at 135 and captured the WBC...

140 Pounds

Titles: Mayweather (WBC belt 2005); De la Hoya (World Champion 1996-97)
Notable Foes: Mayweather (DeMarcus Corley, Arturo Gatti). De la Hoya (Julio Cesar Chavez, Miguel Angel Gonzalez)
Advantage: De La Hoya


^ Oscar easily faced the better opposition @ 140. And Floyd fought who ? Arturo Gatti...? DeMarcus Corley...? LMAO...and if you saw the fight with Chop Chop, you would see that he rocked Floyd several times throughout that fight. Not to mention. Oh yeah, Floyd ducked Kostya Tszyu and Ricky Hatton. Probably the two most worthy opponents in the division.

De La Hoya fought an aging Julio Ceasar chaves who at that point was already in the game for 16 years.. Never even heard of the other guy but looking him up on boxrec I'm not surprised that he fought De La Hoya towards the end of his career also, after having fought 18 years already.. De La Hoya was his first lost though, I'll count that.. Also Mayweather moved up in weight and won the WBC, which was his goal, if Gatti, Corely, and Brussels couldn't stop him, oh well, whose fault is that?

147 Pounds

Titles: Mayweather (World Champion 2006-Present); De La Hoya (World Champion 1997-99; WBC belt 2000)
Notable Foes: Mayweather (Zab Judah, Carlos Baldomir). De la Hoya (Pernell Whitaker, Julio Cesar Chavez, Ike Quartey, Oba Carr, Felix Trinidad, Shane Mosley, Arturo Gatti)
Advantage: De La Hoya, no question about it.

De La Hoya lost to a lot of these people you named, Mayweather won, huge difference.. De La Hoya has the "advantage" in experience, but no talent.

^ No need to explain here, Oscar faced everyone who was anyone @ 147. Sure, he didn't win all of 'em, but the point is that he didn't duck them, he took on all challengers. Thats what a Champ does !

Oscar above 147

Titles: 154 lb. World Title (2001-03); WBC belt 2006-Present; WBO belt at 160 lbs. (2004)
Notable Foes: Javier Castillejo, Fernando Vargas, Shane Mosley, Felix Sturm, Bernard Hopkins, Ricardo Mayorga.

Mayorga was a wild man and doesn't count, Vargas is a slug, Mosley beat him, and so did Sturm.. Are you simply arguing that Oscar has more experience as oppose to talent, because if so, I agree. I don't see how any of this proves that he isn't overrated though? Maybe he just has heart.. Are you going to also mention that he lost to Mayweather at 154?

^ All world class opponents, again. Not all victories, but Oscar had the balls to take them all on, no questions asked. So as you can see, Oscar clearly has faced the better opposition. Sure, he did pick up a few L's, but you know what ? So might have Floyd if he had faced the top . But instead, he took the easy route.


Not to take anything away from Floyd, again, I've been following his career since before he was headlining PPV bouts. I'm just saying, Oscar is no slouch, and he's probably the greatest fighter of our generation, regardless of what happened on Cinco De Mayo.

^I'm not disagreeing with you in regard to Oscar having the most experience, but talent wise, Oscar is a dead horse.. That was my point, bro is 2-5 now in career defining fights, Mayweather, 4-0.. Greatest fighter of our generation goes to either Floyd or Roy imo, Oscar isn't a slouch, but he's no boxing hall of famer either (unless you factor in popularity)..

 

[Don Hollywood Godzilla]

I'm not gonna say B-Hop is gonna get his ass beat or lose in an embarassing fashion because we all know he's great. Im just saying Winky is gonna show and prove that he's technically sound once again and he's gonna outpoint B-Hop...no way in hell does this fight end in a knockout for either fighter.

 

[ParkBoyz]

I was impressed with B-hop when he fought Tarver but JT made him look foolish and Winky is gonna have an answer for everything Hopkins brings that night. Dont forget Winky's the guy who swept Trinidad 12 rounds to nothing and beat Mosely decisively twice, he can make great boxers look amateur as hell.

What you said in concern to Taylor making old man Hopkins look like a fool was blasphemy, but I see 2-0 Six already got at you for your error in logic, so I'll let it go..

Parkboyz ducking my response like Floyd ducks opponents. OooOoOOOoOhhHHhHhh !

Hahah, be patient bro, I got you.. I explained too already how Floyd hasn't ducked anyone...

 

[2-0-Sixx]

alright, can't really argue against that so we'll just have to wait and see. Should be a great fight though. Long wait though, what we got to watch before that?

 

[Anaheim*Rob]

If you don't think Oscar is a future boxing hall of famer, you obviously don't know the sport. Out of all the active boxers today, Oscar's resume (win or lose) is by far one of the most respected if not, the most respected in the sport. I'd like to see you take that comment onto a boxing forum and get your ass laughed right off of it.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

Oscar de la hoya is a hall of famer, absolutely no question about it. He is a great fighter and one of the greatest fighters of this era with out a doubt.

 

[ParkBoyz]

If you don't think Oscar is a future boxing hall of famer, you obviously don't know the sport. Out of all the active boxers today, Oscar's resume (win or lose) is by far one of the most respected if not, the most respected in the sport. I'd like to see you take that comment onto a boxing forum and get your ass laughed right off of it.

Are you serious? Most of my opinions are molded in part by visiting those types of sites, they hate De La Hoya on Tc-Boxing, say he's the shittiest great boxer of all time. On boxingscene.com they have polls up agreeing that Mayweather is at least in the top 20 of all time, on worldvoxingvideoarchive, some hate Oscar, some love him, you can't impose your opinion on anyone and try to appeal to authority, thinking that I have to take you seriously if I'm legitimate in my assessment. A great Many people agree with me at least, that Oscar is overrated..

 

[Anaheim*Rob]

Oscar de la hoya is a hall of famer, absolutely no question about it. He is a great fighter and one of the greatest fighters of this era with out a doubt.

^^Exactly, and even though he's lost 5 fights, all fight were against the elite and all 5 were close with exception of his KO loss to Hopkins who's naturally a way bigger man than Oscar. Hate him or love him, he's helped the sport tremendously, probably moreso than any other fighter of this era.

 

[Tony]

Floyd ducks opponents? LOL....

Come on now... Floyd moved up in weight, whooped De La Hoya on Cinco de Mayo and took his belts.....

If Floyd was ducking anyone he would have been ducking Oscar.

 

[Don Hollywood Godzilla]

alright, can't really argue against that so we'll just have to wait and see. Should be a great fight though. Long wait though, what we got to watch before that?

It's MMA but we get to watch Rampage beat Liddell up again.