TROLL said:
mumbo jumbo? so indifference of a situation is null and void because the explanation in your eyes is "mumbo jumbo?"
No, but your indifference was stated in the first sentence and everything you said afterward to support it was weak,IMO, thus mumbo jumbo. If you've ever written a persuasive piece, then you understand how I could come to that conclusion. You could have written the first sentence, left the rest out, and your point would have had the same significance.
no, im saying that wether banging or not, id be fucked with because this is beyond colors and sides... tell me why would i have love for somebody when im not up to there standard of a stereotype? does that make me bang on someone because their my skin color? no.. ill be doing it cuz they're gonna be the ones after me first.. ill naturally find my own peoples..
The cultural differences bewteen mexicans/chicanos exists in both places. It's not as if we are "more mexican" down here as it seems as you are claiming. While only one example, my wife is from Fresno, and her family and all their extendeds are far "more mexican" than my family could ever be. Truth be told, I am on the lighter side spectrum, my spanish is choppy as fuck sometimes, so I am recognizably not "as mexican", too. Has this somehow given me the reasononing to bang on my own people?
towards blacks... are they not? are u contending that fact? if not then wtf are debating with me for? that has been the focal point of this entire convo..
Yes, I contended what you now, along with Stocktone, say is a
fact. All you two have are penitentiary style rules that you are applying to all of California, thus grossly generalizing to support your point. If it is a
fact, then you should somehow be able to prove it.
I would argue that mexicans/chicanos, in general, have distrust stemming from racism towards blacks, and we as a people need to move beyond that shit. Your belief that we are more racist down here, clearly shifts the blame and makes it seem as if it's "our" problem, and that people up there have nothing to work on.
i think thats an exaggeration because ive come to the conclusion u have come here to debate me just to debate..
It very well could be an exaggeration, and you very well could have been tired last night when you were posting, because the shit you used to support your "points" was garbage. And, that statement had little relevance and made absolutely no sense in the argument. It was practically random as fuck.
read my statement above and realize you have just confirmed my contention
When I first quoted other dude, I said he had a point towards you
and Stocktone. Both claim we need unity with other races, yet you have difficulty unifying with your own race. But, then again, you have already made it seem as if we down here are not your people, and that the cultural differences are enough for you to justify that.
And, you've seen me in plenty threads were I have no argued with you, so don't make it seem as if I'm gunning for you. I made some of teh same points with Stocktone, don't make it seem as if you're that serious to me.
and thats what u do when u say "your brown killin brown" when im not against em for being brown..im against rivals because they would be against me because im not 'like them'.. so ill roll with who i recognize as my fam.. are u having a hard time understanding that?
No, and I didn't have a hard time understanding it when I did it. But, when I made a serious commitment to politically organize on behalf of people, I had to take a look at some of my biggest personal hypocracies, and thsi was one of them. Yet, you seem to have difficulties understand my simple point. You make it a huge point to post about politics and how our rights are being taken away on a daily basis, thus looking out for the common man. Yet, you would take his life in flash for simply being perceived as a rival, or maybe not treating you as being "mexican enough". This is hypocracy at it's finest.
dood said we were following black people and on "the tip".. dood said we were killing over 'colors' (strawman).. so which are u agreeing with? because if u think homeboys are on the black person's "tip" you'd be ignorant.. and if you think that people are killing over colors and not the fact that there is a cultural diffrence between a mexican up north and a mexican down south, then you would be an idiot..
You saw which part of his statement, I quoted and that's what I agreed with. And, I must be an idiot, becuase while there may have been these cultural differences when the norte and sur first became rivals, they are most certainly disappearing now. I have witnessed this on a first hand basis, regularly when I kick it throughout Fresno, LA, and SD. We also have had a lot more paisas (for lack of a better word) joining the ranks for some time now, thus changing the cultural make-up of gangs.
i meant that in general, and didnt refer to u specifically but didnt put an effort to make it sound so... but in the sense that your going to come into a debate with a "small" point, is not recognizeing the factors and instances involved making any point you wish to make pretty moot.
I said small relatively to the original post.
Large relative to you trying to preach unity on any kind of level. Reading and writing for crtical analysis is not necessarily your strong point when you think someone is "coming at you" is it? Please do you best to understand that I am not picking you, do your best to understand the very
one simple point that dood made and I supported, and if a supporting sentence doesn't say something different then your topic sentence, then don't write it.
