John Edwards on Kerry ticket

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tadou said:
This guy intimidates and milks 50 million out of insurance companies, driving the premiums of people young and elderly through the roof, and you're questioning whether or not his lawyering ability was up to par?
Poor, poor insurance companies! They never scam people, they're out for the common goodwill....and this money-grubbing lawyer, shame on him! Someone needs to give all those poor insurance company CEOs a hug and bib for their spilled banana!

MALPRACTICE suits is what the guy specialized in....really try to think about that. If someone loses a leg, Edwards was the kind of person that would have wanted $3.5 million, effectively putting whole practices out ot business with a "one strike and you're out" policy. Once you have even a suit PLACED on you, your company insurance will go up the next day. And without insurance...you can't stay open.
Yes tadou...every sum Edwards got through his legal battles was exorbitant. Edwards would ask 5 million for a broken leg, 10 million for stomach aches. These poor, poor companies...Edwards put people out of business left and right! Hey, if I got my arm chopped off by faulty machinery, I should only be entitled to 500 dollars or so, it's just an arm!

Edwards sure as fuck didn't make 5 million attacking mom and pop grocery stores and sole proprietorships. Malpractice is malpractice tadou. You couldn't be so impossibly pro-business that you instantly attack anyone who makes a claim on them, right? Nah I guess you could. In tadou's world the CEO is the victim and the people are the culprits.

You are speaking on 100% speculation based on some sort of judgement of the moral place of a trial lawyer. I guess no one should sue those "poor intimidated" business for malpractice. Economy over the people right? Lose a leg? Hey, that's your bad! Paralyzed by shoddy surgery? Well, you can't possibly hold the people who did it accountable! The real evil people are those TRIAL LAWYERS as hatch so eloquently capitalized. No one ever has a right to sue a business! Businesses can and should kill people and not get sued! After all, they donate billions to the Republican party!

I'd LOVE to see someone draw up numbers of how many health care providers Edwards put out of business. And i bet you, those numbers are coming REAL soon...damn i love election years.
I'm waiting on this as well.
 
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This post is in regard to whoever blames insurance costs on malpractice lawsuits, as they gum commercial says, chew on this...

Bush & Cheney Mislead on Tort Reform


President Bush and Vice President Cheney continue to dishonestly claim that trial lawyers are to blame for skyrocketing health care costs. President Bush said Friday that "frivolous lawsuits...run up the cost of medicine" and that solutions to health care problems were stopped in Congress "because the trial lawyers are powerful in the Senate."1 Similarly, Cheney said last week that "medical liability reform" is the key to "control the cost of health care."2 But, according to undisputed government and academic data, lawsuits have little -- if anything -- to do with health care costs.

According to the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office (CBO), costs from malpractice lawsuits represent less than 2%3 of the nation's total health care spending, and the tort reform legislation pushed by President Bush would reduce health insurance premiums by less than one-half of one percent.4 While President Bush has claimed that lawsuits cause "docs to practice medicine in an expensive way5 in order to protect themselves in the courthouse," a study by the Harvard University School of Public Health "did not find a strong relationship between the threat of litigation and medical costs." Additionally, a study in the Journal of Health Economics6 compared medical costs in states with limits on lawsuits to states without limits and found only tiny savings - less than three-tenths of one percent. In all, CBO reported "no statistically significant difference in per capita health care spending between states with and without limits on malpractice torts."7

The White House's insistence on pushing the trial lawyer myths are designed to obscure its record in other areas that would seriously reduce health care costs. For instance, the Bush Administration's recently-passed Medicare bill specifically prohibited Medicare from negotiating lower prescription drug prices from large pharmaceutical companies.8 Similarly, industry studies have found that widespread adoption of the President's Health Care Savings Accounts "could drive up the annual deductible paid by workers."9

Sources:
Remarks by President Bush on the Economy, PRNewswire.com, 7/02/04.
"Cheney rallies the faithful at Wheeling bus tour stop," Observer-Reporter, 7/04/2004.
"Economic and Budget Issue Brief: Limiting Tort Liability for Medical Malpractice," Congressional Budget Office, 1/08/04.
"President Bush's Rhetoric on Medical Malpractice Doesn't Match Reality," DPC.Senate.gov.
Presidential Remarks, WhiteHouse.gov, 1/26/04.
"President Uses Dubious Statistics on Costs of Malpractice Lawsuits," FactCheck.org, 1/29/04.
Ibid.
"Bush Admits Drug Card Concerns," Washington Post, 6/15/04.
"Out of pocket costs may soar," USA Today, 4/25/2004.
 
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For instance, the Bush Administration's recently-passed Medicare bill specifically prohibited Medicare from negotiating lower prescription drug prices from large pharmaceutical companies.8 Similarly, industry studies have found that widespread adoption of the President's Health Care Savings Accounts "could drive up the annual deductible paid by workers."9
Compassionate Conservatism at work. Also great is how the Bush Medicaire Bill could potentially push millions of elders on Medicaire back into HMOs. Very compassionate!



"I'm a WAR president!"
 
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I got a friend at the job who had a root canal and his jaw is fucked up, he looks like he had a stroke as the left side of his jaw is drooping. I hope homie sues and get paid fuck those denists.
 
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tadou said:
This guy intimidates and milks 50 million out of insurance companies, driving the premiums of people young and elderly through the roof, and you're questioning whether or not his lawyering ability was up to par?

MALPRACTICE suits is what the guy specialized in....really try to think about that. If someone loses a leg, Edwards was the kind of person that would have wanted $3.5 million, effectively putting whole practices out ot business with a "one strike and you're out" policy. Once you have even a suit PLACED on you, your company insurance will go up the next day. And without insurance...you can't stay open.

I'd LOVE to see someone draw up numbers of how many health care providers Edwards put out of business. And i bet you, those numbers are coming REAL soon...damn i love election years.
"intimidates and milks" = What? How exactly did he intimidate and milk money out of insurance companies? Where did you read that? What credible sources followed edwards when he was a trial lawyer and documented his horrible "[intimidation] and [milking]" tactics?

". . .driving the premiums of people young and elderly through the roof" Where did you get this information? The president and his cabinet? What credible studies have you read that have proven trial lawyers to frivilously sue insurance companies and cause the price of premiums to rise? The premiums only rise in "young and elderly" peoples insurance? What credible sources provided you with that information?

"If someone loses a leg, Edwards was the kind of person that would have wanted $3.5 million. . ." What is the price of someones leg? Under what circumstances should trial lawyers sue for malpractice?
 
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JazzFan said:
I got a friend at the job who had a root canal and his jaw is fucked up, he looks like he had a stroke as the left side of his jaw is drooping. I hope homie sues and get paid fuck those denists.
I got a homie who looks like he's high all the time (which normally he is). His eyes are fucked...looks like a white Korean. Doctors put some shit in his eyes when he was born and there was some kind of side effect. I guess he was blind until he was 2 or 3. After a few operations when he was very young, he can see now, but damn, his eyes are so tight you can blind fold him with dental floss.
 

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KrypticFlowz said:
"intimidates and milks" = What? How exactly did he intimidate and milk money out of insurance companies? Where did you read that? What credible sources followed edwards when he was a trial lawyer and documented his horrible "[intimidation] and [milking]" tactics?

". . .driving the premiums of people young and elderly through the roof" Where did you get this information? The president and his cabinet? What credible studies have you read that have proven trial lawyers to frivilously sue insurance companies and cause the price of premiums to rise? The premiums only rise in "young and elderly" peoples insurance? What credible sources provided you with that information?

"If someone loses a leg, Edwards was the kind of person that would have wanted $3.5 million. . ." What is the price of someones leg? Under what circumstances should trial lawyers sue for malpractice?
You fucking suck at Socratic dialogue. Try again, dumb fuck, and this time add your own informations before you ask for mine.