A few reasons why Bay Area Rap is doin Bad right now...
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I know for a fact Lil wayne is a major unit mover, and is movin alot more records than many artists in the game... But How many records did his people buy back just to beef the sales. Many artists and companies do it. Some cats might hit that 600,000 mark or somewhere close and want that nice platinum plaque. they not trippen on buyin back records. They see #'s all the way. You wouldnt believe how much cash and endorsements will flow your way if you can say you just sold a millie........when no limit was hott, thats what they would ... it looks good plus, money would come in from other angles because of gold or platinum success.
The bay will get whats coming to it. An og that went unoticed will pop up once gain, drop an album, lace the boots of the young cats comin up, network, bring peace and get a lot of cats off dope and he WON'T do it with some christian rap music nor will he do it with hyphy type music or anything remotely like that. He will do it with real BAY SHIT.
Now I wanna touch on a couple of points that have been mentioned already. I'll start with the first five listed by the O.P.
In regards to the drugs (1-3) this is on point. The drugs have made it to where niggas have come with some off the wall crazy sounding shit, and I mean crazy in a bad way. Nigga did you just hear that note you played? Of course not, because you are full of dope and crankin out beats that sound like hippy music. Yeah there have been plenty of addicts and users who made good music (Hendrix, Clinton, Staley, etc) but they understood THEORY. A lot of up and coming cats in the bay area don't, so coupled with drugs and a lack of understanding, you get music that sounds like the nigga was on dope when he made the track.
Concerning #4 this happens all the time, and there is a difference between you knowingly recycling some shit or being sold some recycled tracks you were not aware of. In any event, when this happens and the artist did not know, all they need to do is tell what happened and offer some songs for the mishap (but they should also get the recycler and do what they see fit.)
In regards to #5, bullshit is selective. As one former member of the siccness used to say, "Bay Area rap is an acquired taste and the music absolutely inferior." A lot of people are putting out what we can all agree is bullshit and there are many reasons why this happens. Poor equipment, no true knowledge regarding the technical aspect of recording, no business savy (most of these cats can't spell a.s.c.a.p or b.m.i), no knowledge of how the industry works (especially radio which I may touch on in another post), no swagger, don't know how to count bars, no rappin talent and no true sense of purpose.
Why are you putting out an album? Because you see the shiney shit, want the hoes, want to be famous and want the money? You do realize most of this is a dream being expertly marketed and sold, that your chances are slim and none, and that you'll be living out of a suitcase, staying up late for days on end and become a living fuckin jukebox while you rap the same goddamn songs over and over in front of different audiences. Same game, different faces, yet you want it. Everyone, not just bay artists, need to TRULY ask themselves why they are putting out an album, and they need to answer honestly.
Now I'm not sayin NONE of this shit to shit on anyones dreams, to discourage them or to stop them. I'm saying this because right now the bay is like a chicken with it's head cut off and a lot of people pointing the finger actually got us here in the first place (and that isn't directed to ANYONE partaking in this thread.)
Finally, I'm going to end with this. Album sales are down, and there are many reasons for this. However, cd is damn near archaic. Zero's and one's are the preferred method of transferring media and the main storage devices now are iPods, zunes, psp's, phones and other devices. You are not going to stop the downloading or bootlegging of albums, but you can offer incentives to those who do purchase. Concentrate on other means to get the product to the consumer and exploit those means.
Now I wanna touch on a couple of points that have been mentioned already. I'll start with the first five listed by the O.P.
In regards to the drugs (1-3) this is on point. The drugs have made it to where niggas have come with some off the wall crazy sounding shit, and I mean crazy in a bad way. Nigga did you just hear that note you played? Of course not, because you are full of dope and crankin out beats that sound like hippy music. Yeah there have been plenty of addicts and users who made good music (Hendrix, Clinton, Staley, etc) but they understood THEORY. A lot of up and coming cats in the bay area don't, so coupled with drugs and a lack of understanding, you get music that sounds like the nigga was on dope when he made the track.
Concerning #4 this happens all the time, and there is a difference between you knowingly recycling some shit or being sold some recycled tracks you were not aware of. In any event, when this happens and the artist did not know, all they need to do is tell what happened and offer some songs for the mishap (but they should also get the recycler and do what they see fit.)
In regards to #5, bullshit is selective. As one former member of the siccness used to say, "Bay Area rap is an acquired taste and the music absolutely inferior." A lot of people are putting out what we can all agree is bullshit and there are many reasons why this happens. Poor equipment, no true knowledge regarding the technical aspect of recording, no business savy (most of these cats can't spell a.s.c.a.p or b.m.i), no knowledge of how the industry works (especially radio which I may touch on in another post), no swagger, don't know how to count bars, no rappin talent and no true sense of purpose.
Why are you putting out an album? Because you see the shiney shit, want the hoes, want to be famous and want the money? You do realize most of this is a dream being expertly marketed and sold, that your chances are slim and none, and that you'll be living out of a suitcase, staying up late for days on end and become a living fuckin jukebox while you rap the same goddamn songs over and over in front of different audiences. Same game, different faces, yet you want it. Everyone, not just bay artists, need to TRULY ask themselves why they are putting out an album, and they need to answer honestly.
Now I'm not sayin NONE of this shit to shit on anyones dreams, to discourage them or to stop them. I'm saying this because right now the bay is like a chicken with it's head cut off and a lot of people pointing the finger actually got us here in the first place (and that isn't directed to ANYONE partaking in this thread.)
Finally, I'm going to end with this. Album sales are down, and there are many reasons for this. However, cd is damn near archaic. Zero's and one's are the preferred method of transferring media and the main storage devices now are iPods, zunes, psp's, phones and other devices. You are not going to stop the downloading or bootlegging of albums, but you can offer incentives to those who do purchase. Concentrate on other means to get the product to the consumer and exploit those means.
I AGREE WITH THE STARTER OF THE THREAD BUT HES MISSING A FEW KEY PARTS.
EVERYONE IS TRYING TO RAP LIKE THE INDUSTRY PUNKS. SWAG RAP IS GARBAGE, PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO PUT MORE SWAG IN RAP THAN ACTUAL LYRICISTS. UNFORTUNATLEY A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT WERE IN THE GAME 10 YEARS AGO ARE FINISHED.
THE YOUNG GUNS ARENT MAKING NOISE EITHER BECAUSE THE YOUGN GUNS OUT HERE FOR THE MOST PART SUCK. THE BAY WAS A MECCA OF GREAT MUSIC BUT SINCE PEOPLE CANT SEEM TO HANDLE THE DEATH OF ARTISTS PEOPLE CANT SEEM TO BUILD THEIR OWN STYLE AND MAKE THEIR OWN MOVES.
WE DO HAVE DRUG PROBLEMS BUT WHAT PART OF THE COUNTRY DOESNT??? BUT LOOK AT HALF OF THE PEOPLE IN THE INDUSTRY, DID THEIR ENVIORNMENT NOT HAVE DRUGS?? LOOK AT EMINEM GREW UP IN FUCKIN DETROIT, FAT JOE IN NEW YORK, GAME IN COMPTON. EVERYONES GOT PROBLEMS, THE ONLY MAJOR ONE WE HAVE IS LACK OF FANS, AND LACK OF SUPPORT FROM ANYONE BECAUSE THE MUSIC IS CRAP.
ALL THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN IS SINCE THIS RAP SCENE ACTS LIKE A DOMINO EFFECT IF ONE PERSON STARTS SPITTIN HARD AGAIN PEOPLE WILL TRY TO EMMULATE IT.
HERES SOME PRIME EXAMPLES
QUINN
MESS
LYNCH
RAIDED
STALIN
AND LOOK AT MATT BLAQUE, HES ABOUT TO GET A LOT OF ATTENTION BUT HELL BE AT A DISADVANTAGE IF PEOPLE DONT STEP UP TO THE PLATE AND REQUEST HIS SONGS OR BUY HIS RECORDS. AND THAT IS A UGLY YET VERY TRUE STATUS QUO.
IF PEOPLE DONT GET RADIO PLAY A MILLION TIMES A DAY AND PEOPLE DONT SHOUT OUT THE NAME OR DONT BUY THE RECORD THE ARTIST WILL FAIL.
THE FANS HAVE TO STEP IT UP TOO IF THERE IS SOMEONE MAKING GREAT MUSIC.
AND THATS ABOUT IT. FOR THE MOST PART MOST ARTISTS IN THE BAY ARENT THAT GREAT.
CHECK OUT TECHN9NE
GO TO A LYRICS WEBSITE AND READ HIS LYRICS.
GO TO A BATTLE RAPPING FORUM AND LOOK FOR CATS LIKE JACK FROST, LEFTY 2 GUNS, AND STREETS DISCIPLE ON XXLMAG.COM
PEOPLE NEED TO STOP RAPPING ABOUT BITCHES, CARS, AND GLAMOUR
ONCE THE FOCUS IS TAKEN AWAY FROM ALL THAT BULLSHIT THEN THE MUSIC WILL COME BACK.
PEOPLE CANT MAKE GARBAGE MUSIC AND WONDER WHY THE SCENE IS DEAD. THE SCENE IS DEAD BECAUSE EVERYONE THINKS TOO MUCH ALIKE, THE MINUTE PEOPLE START RAPPING ABOUT VALID SUBJECTS RECORD LABELS WILL START LOOKING AGAIN
AND I WOULD BET MONEY PEOPLE ARE GETTING SIGNED BECAUSE NOBODY BUYS THE RECORDS AND THE RADIO STATIONS DONT PLAY LOCAL MUSIC.
EVERYONE NEEDS TO THINK OUTSIDE OF THE BOX AND QUIT THINKING SO 2 DIMENSIONAL.
MAINSTREAM IS GARBAGE, FUCK THAT SOUND MAKE YOUR OWN AND MAKE THE LABELS TAKE A RISK!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"In regards to the drugs (1-3) this is on point. The drugs have made it to where niggas have come with some off the wall crazy sounding shit, and I mean crazy in a bad way. Nigga did you just hear that note you played? Of course not, because you are full of dope and crankin out beats that sound like hippy music. Yeah there have been plenty of addicts and users who made good music (Hendrix, Clinton, Staley, etc) but they understood THEORY. A lot of up and coming cats in the bay area don't, so coupled with drugs and a lack of understanding, you get music that sounds like the nigga was on dope when he made the track."
AND BRA HERESY IS 100% CORRECT!!!!! I DONT MAKE BEATS WHILE IM HIGH OR DRUNK. I MAKE THEM ALL SOBER, AND IM A PROFESSIONAL MUSICIAN. I PLAY SAXOPHONE.
HALF THE PRODUCERS I SEE COMING OUT FROM THE BAY WHO ARE JUST TRYING TO GET STARTED ALMOST 90% ARENT MUSICIANS.
THEY THINK ITS A JOKE TO PRODUCE. THEY DONT KNOW THE FIRST THING ABOUT MUSICIANSHIP AND THEORY AT ALL AND THEY EXPECT TO MAKE BEATS OVERNIGHT. IT TOOK ME 4 YEARS TO GET MY SOUND AND IM STILL NOT READY YET
PROPS HOMIE. IM GLAD IM NOT THE ONLY ONE THINKING THOSE THOUGHTS
CHECK MY PRODUCTION
MYSPACE.COM/SWERVEPRODUCTIONS
URSESSION.COM/SWERVEONTHEBEAT
MORE BEATS ON THE URSESSION PROFILE
EVERYONE IS TRYING TO RAP LIKE THE INDUSTRY PUNKS. SWAG RAP IS GARBAGE, PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO PUT MORE SWAG IN RAP THAN ACTUAL LYRICISTS. UNFORTUNATLEY A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT WERE IN THE GAME 10 YEARS AGO ARE FINISHED.
THE YOUNG GUNS ARENT MAKING NOISE EITHER BECAUSE THE YOUGN GUNS OUT HERE FOR THE MOST PART SUCK. THE BAY WAS A MECCA OF GREAT MUSIC BUT SINCE PEOPLE CANT SEEM TO HANDLE THE DEATH OF ARTISTS PEOPLE CANT SEEM TO BUILD THEIR OWN STYLE AND MAKE THEIR OWN MOVES.
WE DO HAVE DRUG PROBLEMS BUT WHAT PART OF THE COUNTRY DOESNT??? BUT LOOK AT HALF OF THE PEOPLE IN THE INDUSTRY, DID THEIR ENVIORNMENT NOT HAVE DRUGS?? LOOK AT EMINEM GREW UP IN FUCKIN DETROIT, FAT JOE IN NEW YORK, GAME IN COMPTON. EVERYONES GOT PROBLEMS, THE ONLY MAJOR ONE WE HAVE IS LACK OF FANS, AND LACK OF SUPPORT FROM ANYONE BECAUSE THE MUSIC IS CRAP.
ALL THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN IS SINCE THIS RAP SCENE ACTS LIKE A DOMINO EFFECT IF ONE PERSON STARTS SPITTIN HARD AGAIN PEOPLE WILL TRY TO EMMULATE IT.
HERES SOME PRIME EXAMPLES
QUINN
MESS
LYNCH
RAIDED
STALIN
AND LOOK AT MATT BLAQUE, HES ABOUT TO GET A LOT OF ATTENTION BUT HELL BE AT A DISADVANTAGE IF PEOPLE DONT STEP UP TO THE PLATE AND REQUEST HIS SONGS OR BUY HIS RECORDS. AND THAT IS A UGLY YET VERY TRUE STATUS QUO.
IF PEOPLE DONT GET RADIO PLAY A MILLION TIMES A DAY AND PEOPLE DONT SHOUT OUT THE NAME OR DONT BUY THE RECORD THE ARTIST WILL FAIL.
THE FANS HAVE TO STEP IT UP TOO IF THERE IS SOMEONE MAKING GREAT MUSIC.
AND THATS ABOUT IT. FOR THE MOST PART MOST ARTISTS IN THE BAY ARENT THAT GREAT.
CHECK OUT TECHN9NE
GO TO A LYRICS WEBSITE AND READ HIS LYRICS.
GO TO A BATTLE RAPPING FORUM AND LOOK FOR CATS LIKE JACK FROST, LEFTY 2 GUNS, AND STREETS DISCIPLE ON XXLMAG.COM
PEOPLE NEED TO STOP RAPPING ABOUT BITCHES, CARS, AND GLAMOUR
ONCE THE FOCUS IS TAKEN AWAY FROM ALL THAT BULLSHIT THEN THE MUSIC WILL COME BACK.
PEOPLE CANT MAKE GARBAGE MUSIC AND WONDER WHY THE SCENE IS DEAD. THE SCENE IS DEAD BECAUSE EVERYONE THINKS TOO MUCH ALIKE, THE MINUTE PEOPLE START RAPPING ABOUT VALID SUBJECTS RECORD LABELS WILL START LOOKING AGAIN
AND I WOULD BET MONEY PEOPLE ARE GETTING SIGNED BECAUSE NOBODY BUYS THE RECORDS AND THE RADIO STATIONS DONT PLAY LOCAL MUSIC.
EVERYONE NEEDS TO THINK OUTSIDE OF THE BOX AND QUIT THINKING SO 2 DIMENSIONAL.
MAINSTREAM IS GARBAGE, FUCK THAT SOUND MAKE YOUR OWN AND MAKE THE LABELS TAKE A RISK!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"In regards to the drugs (1-3) this is on point. The drugs have made it to where niggas have come with some off the wall crazy sounding shit, and I mean crazy in a bad way. Nigga did you just hear that note you played? Of course not, because you are full of dope and crankin out beats that sound like hippy music. Yeah there have been plenty of addicts and users who made good music (Hendrix, Clinton, Staley, etc) but they understood THEORY. A lot of up and coming cats in the bay area don't, so coupled with drugs and a lack of understanding, you get music that sounds like the nigga was on dope when he made the track."
AND BRA HERESY IS 100% CORRECT!!!!! I DONT MAKE BEATS WHILE IM HIGH OR DRUNK. I MAKE THEM ALL SOBER, AND IM A PROFESSIONAL MUSICIAN. I PLAY SAXOPHONE.
HALF THE PRODUCERS I SEE COMING OUT FROM THE BAY WHO ARE JUST TRYING TO GET STARTED ALMOST 90% ARENT MUSICIANS.
THEY THINK ITS A JOKE TO PRODUCE. THEY DONT KNOW THE FIRST THING ABOUT MUSICIANSHIP AND THEORY AT ALL AND THEY EXPECT TO MAKE BEATS OVERNIGHT. IT TOOK ME 4 YEARS TO GET MY SOUND AND IM STILL NOT READY YET
PROPS HOMIE. IM GLAD IM NOT THE ONLY ONE THINKING THOSE THOUGHTS
CHECK MY PRODUCTION
MYSPACE.COM/SWERVEPRODUCTIONS
URSESSION.COM/SWERVEONTHEBEAT
MORE BEATS ON THE URSESSION PROFILE