Wikileaks wins again. Loser? = Obama

[LONDON]

I know for a fact that Iraq is in good shape, my cousin said there was so little violence where he was they shipped him to afghanistan, and I've seen countless videos and read countless soldier journals. The taliban is non existent there, the Iraqi police/ military is doing a great job, and there is a democracy in order. People there are very grateful, the non jihad people

the sectarian beef that popped off in a terrible level in 2006, 2007, has died down a lot compared to those days, i'm not even gonna front on that, but shit is still popping off over there

and i don't want to seem like i'm being patronising or sumthin, because that's corny and on some bougie shit and i ain't bougie, but i'm just guessing that your soldiers friends and relatives are talking from a perspective of, "no one is trying to kill us on the level of like how it was back in the early days of this occupation" type vibe, but i might be wrong, you would have a bigger picture of what they were telling you, you see what i'm saying

because the medical situation over there for the locals is horrendous, the literacy rate has gone totally down, theirs no real authentic rebuliding of the devasted infrastruture over there, its really not a real democracy if all parties don't get involved and rep everyone, not the sectarian voting lines thats goin on that was instigated by the system and when the US millitary leaves and i hope it dosen't go down this route, but a civil war might pop off over there, so it ain't all good or a bed of roses, no it ain't

 

[Roz]

They destroyed countries like that, so once they had a "democracy" in place, they could rebuild them using companies of their choice... You'll see millions, even billions of dollars, go to these companies, over the years as they build back up...

 

[Fucky McFuckerson]

They're in amazing shape, the violence is the lowest it's been in 50+ years, and leaders are elected now

Because your cousin said? What other important news does he have to pass on to us?

From now on, it ain't official until Timm's cousin says so...the movement.

 

[Zer0.MediA]

Well instead of basing an opinion solely on what he read from 2-0-Sixx on the siccness, he heard it from someone who is actually there. A person that would be the main target, were it so so violent there.

What a dick.

After all, we all know 2-0-Sixx and other people around here have a ton of experience in things other than running their mouths.

/sarcasm

 

[Dhadnot]

Bias doesn't stop just because someone is in the mix, many times it shows that certain perceptions/biases are increased.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

Well instead of basing an opinion solely on what he read from 2-0-Sixx on the siccness, he heard it from someone who is actually there. A person that would be the main target, were it so so violent there.

What a dick.

After all, we all know 2-0-Sixx and other people around here have a ton of experience in things other than running their mouths.

/sarcasm

why would you even say my name? I made one comment in this thread and it was a very common sense statement about the fucked up infrastructure there.

 

[SC_408]

I know for a fact that Iraq is in good shape, my cousin said there was so little violence where he was they shipped him to afghanistan, and I've seen countless videos and read countless soldier journals. The taliban is non existent there, the Iraqi police/ military is doing a great job, and there is a democracy in order. People there are very grateful, the non jihad people

theres little violence cause those fuckin insurgents are waiting for us to leave since they know theres a fuckin deadline...and whats your cousins job? trust me shit is still goin down, just never makes it on the news as much as before...and the iraqi police/military are undisciplined faggots who still shoot their rifles in the sky for no reason and have no real leadership amongst themselves whatsoever...no matter what we do to that country it will remain a shithole, with the warring religious factions, the Kurds, all that shit...

 

[ALL BOUT CHICKEN]

edit: wrong thread.

 

[Fucky McFuckerson]

Well instead of basing an opinion solely on what he read from 2-0-Sixx on the siccness, he heard it from someone who is actually there. A person that would be the main target, were it so so violent there.

What a dick.

After all, we all know 2-0-Sixx and other people around here have a ton of experience in things other than running their mouths.

/sarcasm

I wasn't aware that you know for a fact that Timm even has a cousin in Iraq.



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[SC_408]

I wasn't aware that you know for a fact that Timm even has a cousin in Iraq.



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naw he does...he told me his cousin is named Jimm and that Jimm is scouting over there to find out what should Timm's first car should be

 

[Dhadnot]

Dimm Timm...

 

[Timm]

The goal is to build up afghan and Iraqi forces by that deadline

 

[Timm]

..

 

[Fucky McFuckerson]

The goal is to build up afghan and Iraqi forces by that deadline

Did your cousin tell you this?

 

[Sydal]

First off, you dont know jack shit. This is the only "fact" about you.

Second of all, you talked to ONE person and that solidifies everything?

Third, "People"...as in every single Iraqi? So, you talked to every single person that lives there and came to this conclusion?

Why arent you banned yet?

Well every single person I've talked to that were in Iraq said the same shit. People were happy to see them, thanking them for what they were doing, and grateful that Hussein was out. The ones that were NOT happy were the extremists trying to take control of shit...

EVERY Iraqi is not going to be happy, just like every American is not happy right now. Should Obama be kicked out of office because many Americans don't agree with what he's doing? Does it mean he shouldn't be kicked out of office because many Americans do? Think about that for a second.

 

[DFresh77]

Sydal ...you are wrong..because I hear diff stories about Iraq...

still not a good place to live...so much shit that happens there all the time and the U.S. doesn't report it......

my sisters friend just got back from Iraq a week ago, had a convo with her over the phone and she doesn't even know what the U.S. still doing in Iraq..

violence still there..people still dying there..so yeah..

 

[Sydal]

Sydal ...you are wrong..because I hear diff stories about Iraq...

still not a good place to live...so much shit that happens there all the time and the U.S. doesn't report it......

my sisters friend just got back from Iraq a week ago, had a convo with her over the phone and she doesn't even know what the U.S. still doing in Iraq..

violence still there..people still dying there..so yeah..

Of course there are going to be different stories...different experiences. The point was to validate dude saying his "cousin said this"...because I've heard the same shit from numerous sources. I wouldn't go to Iraq...it's a crap shoot. Some people play the psychotic role so they don't have to go back, everybody I know was there on multiple occasions, saw some bad shit, but overall said the media was hyping shit up by only reporting the bad stuff.

I tend to believe them, and here's why. As a former journalism student, I learned that MEDIA, overall, is liberal. They report on shit that helps THEIR point and supports THEIR belief structure. Fox News (conservative station) does the same exact thing. There are always exceptions, but not many. The reason I stopped pursuing journalism was because of the one-sidedness of most news sources. If the media hated Bush, they were going to report the BAD SHIT about him, the war, and anything else he did. They STILL do it.

Fact is, numerous sources have told me "The media is hyping this shit up...there is violence, but not on the level that you are told".

 

[Timm]

Sydal is probably the smartest poster on here

 

[Sydal]

Don't get me wrong...I don't think our troops should be in Iraq, either. I think we need to take care of our issues HERE before we help other nations. So I'm not speaking as a "supporter" of this battle...but I do support our troops and when they speak on their experiences, I listen.

 

[Timm]

Well every single person I've talked to that were in Iraq said the same shit. People were happy to see them, thanking them for what they were doing, and grateful that Hussein was out. The ones that were NOT happy were the extremists trying to take control of shit...

EVERY Iraqi is not going to be happy, just like every American is not happy right now. Should Obama be kicked out of office because many Americans don't agree with what he's doing? Does it mean he shouldn't be kicked out of office because many Americans do? Think about that for a second.

they would walk into villages and the farmers would cry in happiness, a grown ass man, crying. He'd thank the soliders, give them food, tell them good spots to set up posts, and tell where taliban and insurgent movement happened. a lot of the Iraqi people are EXTREMELY grateul. I actually haven't heard from my cousin since he went to afghanistan, i don't think he has electricity.