WHAT TOOKIE'S DEATH MEANT
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there we go with the race card again
yes he was. he was convicted and executed for the killings of 4 innocent people in coldblood.
and as for him maintaining his innocence. dont most all cons say they are innocent???
how was the jury bias?? and dont give me the "it was an all white jury" because it wasnt. do the reseach and you will find that there were 3 minorities including a black man on the jury. so dont believe the liberal BS your friends, professors and websites try and feed you with
the death penalty doesnt have a get out of jail free card if you become a popular murderer.
your very sick!!!!!!!1
all i know about him is that he was charged and found guilty of the crimes he was charged with and also several times thoughout the apeals proces (about 20 years).
i also know that the 9th circuit court of appeals (the most anti-death penalty in the land court) refused to stay his execution several times (he was that bad of a person).
because he is a murderer who killed innocent people for no reason what so ever except that maybe he enjoyed watching them gasp for air as he ate a sandwich he stole from them as they died.
lol.
in california 13 people have been put to death since the death penalty was reinstituted.
2 blacks
1 native american
1 asian
2 latinos
7 whites.
i can see how that would appear to be VERY RACIST!!! LOL
it is vewry expensive with the crazy appeals process. i propose we cut down the appeals time to match that of texas, 5 years and your gone.
to say that numerous INNOCENTS are put to death annually you imply that almost every1 that is put to death is innocent.
there can be no more that maybe 10 people put to death annually (i havent looked that up, just going off of what i estimate i hear in the news)
but by numerous, are you implying that you think that 7 or 8 out of every 10 are innocent????
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you know what, if you guys really want to work hard on trying to change opinion on the death penalty, why dont you actually find some1 that is actually innocent, has a clean backround and led a good life before being put on death row??
instead you guys go out and find one of the most evil men there is (tookie) who killed many people (probly more that we dont even know of), was an unruly prisoner, known gang member, and not just try and get clemency but also proclaim his innocence.
tookie
cooper (i think that was his name)
cant you guys find a better a person who is actually innocent before proclaimng his innocence??
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on a side note its time for me to play the race card.
there will be another execution here in cali very soon, a white man who also killed several peopel. i wonder how many people ar going to go and plead for him.
i bet the same people who fought so hard for tookie wont be leading the charge, i actually believe there will be little to no charge for clemency, only time will tell though LOL
but i do know what he did as he was convicted of killing 4 innocent people and i have seen the photos of what he did to them.
if you want to see that this evil man has done click on the links
how can you redeem yourself so something you claim to have never done. he never admitted to what he did and he never asked for forgiveness for what he did
yea yea yea fool, every white person that does shit you dont like to minorities is a racist, more whites be dyin from the death penalty then blacks, besides, how do you get tried for starting a gang, its not sumthing that needs to be proved with a jury and shit. its part of fools rep.
and i did some research about the whole race
thing, cause quite honestly you sayin its a race issue annoys me to the fullest here is my source
http://www.prodeathpenalty.com/DP.html
One of opponents’ popular false claims is that it is the race of the victim which determines who is on death row. 82% of the murder victims in death penalty cases are white, 13% are black, a 6:1 ratio (NAACP Legal Defense Fund (LDF), 1996). Opponents, such as Kica Matos, NAACP LDF, Steven Hawkins, Exec. Dir., National Coalition to Abolish the Death Penalty (NCADP) and Sister Prejean, longtime Chairperson of the NCADP and author, Dead Man Walking, present this fact as evidence that the "system" values white lives more than black lives. If true, then we must wonder why whites represent 56% of those executed, and blacks 38% (NAACP LDF, Summer 1996) when blacks have committed 47% of all murders, and whites 38%. Whites are executed at rates nearly 50% above their involvement in murder, blacks are executed at rates 20% below their involvement in murder. From 1991-94, 34% of murderers have been white, 54% black (Special run 1980-94 BJS data, 1/13/97, for non-Hispanic whites and blacks. JFA calculations for known race/ethnicity.).
everyone who believes that it is a race issue STILL, even after reading this is a fuckin idiot, i hope another black man sees you makin him look bad with yur ignorance and slaps the shit outta you.
and i did some research about the whole race
thing, cause quite honestly you sayin its a race issue annoys me to the fullest here is my source
http://www.prodeathpenalty.com/DP.html
One of opponents’ popular false claims is that it is the race of the victim which determines who is on death row. 82% of the murder victims in death penalty cases are white, 13% are black, a 6:1 ratio (NAACP Legal Defense Fund (LDF), 1996). Opponents, such as Kica Matos, NAACP LDF, Steven Hawkins, Exec. Dir., National Coalition to Abolish the Death Penalty (NCADP) and Sister Prejean, longtime Chairperson of the NCADP and author, Dead Man Walking, present this fact as evidence that the "system" values white lives more than black lives. If true, then we must wonder why whites represent 56% of those executed, and blacks 38% (NAACP LDF, Summer 1996) when blacks have committed 47% of all murders, and whites 38%. Whites are executed at rates nearly 50% above their involvement in murder, blacks are executed at rates 20% below their involvement in murder. From 1991-94, 34% of murderers have been white, 54% black (Special run 1980-94 BJS data, 1/13/97, for non-Hispanic whites and blacks. JFA calculations for known race/ethnicity.).
everyone who believes that it is a race issue STILL, even after reading this is a fuckin idiot, i hope another black man sees you makin him look bad with yur ignorance and slaps the shit outta you.
obviously the concept of 'proportional' is too complex... try this article on...
"In the eight years I served as governor of Maryland, I found the
power to decide which condemned prisoners would live and which would
die the most awesome and emotionally grueling of all my duties. I
faced this decision four times.
I believed in the death penalty when I became governor and took
seriously my constitutional responsibility to uphold Maryland law. I
presided over two executions, those of Flint Gregory Hunt and Tyrone
Gilliam. Both were black men whose victims were white. I heard from
many civil rights leaders who rightly pointed out that this racial
combination dominated cases on our state's death row, even though
African Americans were and continue to be the victims in nearly 80
percent of homicides.
So in 1999 I commissioned a study of race and death sentencing from
the University of Maryland, believing it my responsibility to ensure
that justice was truly blind when applying this ultimate punishment.
A few months later I faced yet another execution of a black man with
a white victim -- that of Eugene Colvin-el. I was not yet convinced
that a moratorium on executions was necessary. But I was also not
100 percent certain of Colvin-el's guilt, so I commuted his death
sentence to life without the possibility of parole.
The last execution I faced was that of Wesley Baker -- whom Maryland
ultimately executed on Dec. 5. His was the fourth case to come
before me in which an African American man was condemned to die for
the murder of a white Marylander. And as with two of the three
condemned men before him, he had been sentenced to die in Baltimore
County.
I could not, in good conscience, go forward with another execution
of a black man for killing a white person. I stayed Baker's
execution in May 2002 and imposed a moratorium on all executions
pending the results of the University of Maryland study.
Days before I left office in January 2003, the study was released.
Examining the records of more than 1,300 death-penalty-eligible
cases between 1978 and 1999, criminologist Raymond Paternoster
concluded that both geographic and racial disparities existed.
Baltimore County was singled out as having a significantly higher
rate of death sentences than other jurisdictions in the state.
Murderers in Baltimore County were 26 times more likely to be
sentenced to death than killers in Baltimore City and 14 times more
likely than murderers in Montgomery County.
The significant racial disparities are troubling. Cases in which the
victim was white were almost twice as likely to result in the death
penalty as cases in which the victim was black, and blacks who
killed whites were 2 1/2 times more likely to be sentenced to death
than whites who killed whites.
These results lead to the unfortunate conclusion that we value white
life more than black life. Intentional or not -- and I believe it is
not -- this is an indefensible and untenable position for the state.
Whether one supports or opposes the death penalty in principle, all
reasonable people understand that before we exercise the ultimate
sanction, we must be confident that the system is, at a minimum,
fair and accurate.
The University of Maryland study received a great deal of attention
and should have been a call to action for state leaders, but no
solutions have been implemented. The General Assembly, despite
conducting hearings on the issue, never passed legislation to deal
with the inequalities highlighted in the study.
Gov. Robert Ehrlich, who lifted my moratorium on executions after
assuming office despite acknowledging that race "plays a part all
the way through the process," named Lt. Gov. Michael S. Steele as
the new administration's point man on the issue. The lieutenant
governor promised to conduct an assessment of our state's death
penalty. To date, he has not.
Despite being ignored by the current administration, issues raised
by the study remain. Maryland still faces serious questions about
the impact of race and geography in capital sentencing.
I implemented the moratorium to allow for the thorough and fair
study of our death penalty system and to allow for action to be
taken to prevent racial and geographic discrimination. The study was
completed, but the corrective action was not. It is time for our
state to honestly and openly consider these findings and to find
constructive remedies. To carry out executions under this scenario
is simply wrong."
The writer was governor of Maryland from 1995 to 2003.
"In the eight years I served as governor of Maryland, I found the
power to decide which condemned prisoners would live and which would
die the most awesome and emotionally grueling of all my duties. I
faced this decision four times.
I believed in the death penalty when I became governor and took
seriously my constitutional responsibility to uphold Maryland law. I
presided over two executions, those of Flint Gregory Hunt and Tyrone
Gilliam. Both were black men whose victims were white. I heard from
many civil rights leaders who rightly pointed out that this racial
combination dominated cases on our state's death row, even though
African Americans were and continue to be the victims in nearly 80
percent of homicides.
So in 1999 I commissioned a study of race and death sentencing from
the University of Maryland, believing it my responsibility to ensure
that justice was truly blind when applying this ultimate punishment.
A few months later I faced yet another execution of a black man with
a white victim -- that of Eugene Colvin-el. I was not yet convinced
that a moratorium on executions was necessary. But I was also not
100 percent certain of Colvin-el's guilt, so I commuted his death
sentence to life without the possibility of parole.
The last execution I faced was that of Wesley Baker -- whom Maryland
ultimately executed on Dec. 5. His was the fourth case to come
before me in which an African American man was condemned to die for
the murder of a white Marylander. And as with two of the three
condemned men before him, he had been sentenced to die in Baltimore
County.
I could not, in good conscience, go forward with another execution
of a black man for killing a white person. I stayed Baker's
execution in May 2002 and imposed a moratorium on all executions
pending the results of the University of Maryland study.
Days before I left office in January 2003, the study was released.
Examining the records of more than 1,300 death-penalty-eligible
cases between 1978 and 1999, criminologist Raymond Paternoster
concluded that both geographic and racial disparities existed.
Baltimore County was singled out as having a significantly higher
rate of death sentences than other jurisdictions in the state.
Murderers in Baltimore County were 26 times more likely to be
sentenced to death than killers in Baltimore City and 14 times more
likely than murderers in Montgomery County.
The significant racial disparities are troubling. Cases in which the
victim was white were almost twice as likely to result in the death
penalty as cases in which the victim was black, and blacks who
killed whites were 2 1/2 times more likely to be sentenced to death
than whites who killed whites.
These results lead to the unfortunate conclusion that we value white
life more than black life. Intentional or not -- and I believe it is
not -- this is an indefensible and untenable position for the state.
Whether one supports or opposes the death penalty in principle, all
reasonable people understand that before we exercise the ultimate
sanction, we must be confident that the system is, at a minimum,
fair and accurate.
The University of Maryland study received a great deal of attention
and should have been a call to action for state leaders, but no
solutions have been implemented. The General Assembly, despite
conducting hearings on the issue, never passed legislation to deal
with the inequalities highlighted in the study.
Gov. Robert Ehrlich, who lifted my moratorium on executions after
assuming office despite acknowledging that race "plays a part all
the way through the process," named Lt. Gov. Michael S. Steele as
the new administration's point man on the issue. The lieutenant
governor promised to conduct an assessment of our state's death
penalty. To date, he has not.
Despite being ignored by the current administration, issues raised
by the study remain. Maryland still faces serious questions about
the impact of race and geography in capital sentencing.
I implemented the moratorium to allow for the thorough and fair
study of our death penalty system and to allow for action to be
taken to prevent racial and geographic discrimination. The study was
completed, but the corrective action was not. It is time for our
state to honestly and openly consider these findings and to find
constructive remedies. To carry out executions under this scenario
is simply wrong."
The writer was governor of Maryland from 1995 to 2003.
you can't stop talkin about my dick can you ? how is starting the crips in the late 60s start the latin king which starts years before that , how did the hells angels start cuz of the crips ? how did the 5 familys start because of tookie , did tookie start the comission,how did tookie start the mexican mafia which started in the fuckin 50s, explain that to me you fuckin weenie
I am selling crack.
I hand off crack to 10 people to go sell and bring me back my money.
1 of them almost gets robbed, but shoots and kills the assailant and flees.
You're going to sit there and tell me that I am in no way responsible for that murder? Just because it isn't on paper, like Enron, doesn't mean I am not or cannot be held responsible.
I hand off crack to 10 people to go sell and bring me back my money.
1 of them almost gets robbed, but shoots and kills the assailant and flees.
You're going to sit there and tell me that I am in no way responsible for that murder? Just because it isn't on paper, like Enron, doesn't mean I am not or cannot be held responsible.
yur ignorant, get the streets out yur head in conversations about law and accountability, shure on the streets you arent, but think of the shit this way, would a man be dead if you didnt give yur homies some crack, probably not due to the fact that it was over a guy robbin his crack, you played a part in it wheather you wanna keep being ignorant and say you didnt.
your first orginal quote was did not say crip related , in other threads you have said all gang deaths , that tookie has started the gang problem in america. fuck ya mom, you can even admitte you had to correct your self and and how can you say crip deaths , what about crips killing crips how is tookie responsable for that , he wasn't the only founder either. just because the man started a gang called the crips doesnt mean there was not other gang in LA in the first place
^EXACTLY.
AND gEORgE BUSH IS TAKIN' THE INITIATIVE IN COMMANDIN' A WAR, ORDERIN' TO KILL. TOOKIE WAS LOCCED UP FOR YEARS, CHANgIN' HIS LIFE AND EVEN DETOURIN' CHILDREN FROM JOININ' A gANg. HE DIDN'T HAVE TO DO THAT SHIT. WHAT THE FUK HE HAD TO gAIN? THAT'S WHAT THE FUK IS THE DIFFERENCE.
SO YAW TELLIN' ME THAT IF I STARTED A gANg AND THEN YEARS LATER I gREW OUT OF THAT STAgE AND BECAME A MAN, A RIgHTEOUS gOD-FEARIN', LAW-ABIDIN', RELIgIOUS MAN, THAT I SHOULD BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR ALL THE DIRT THESE NEW LIL NIgKAS IS DOIN'?
AND gEORgE BUSH IS TAKIN' THE INITIATIVE IN COMMANDIN' A WAR, ORDERIN' TO KILL. TOOKIE WAS LOCCED UP FOR YEARS, CHANgIN' HIS LIFE AND EVEN DETOURIN' CHILDREN FROM JOININ' A gANg. HE DIDN'T HAVE TO DO THAT SHIT. WHAT THE FUK HE HAD TO gAIN? THAT'S WHAT THE FUK IS THE DIFFERENCE.
SO YAW TELLIN' ME THAT IF I STARTED A gANg AND THEN YEARS LATER I gREW OUT OF THAT STAgE AND BECAME A MAN, A RIgHTEOUS gOD-FEARIN', LAW-ABIDIN', RELIgIOUS MAN, THAT I SHOULD BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR ALL THE DIRT THESE NEW LIL NIgKAS IS DOIN'?