Do you think that the 'creation' of Satan was catalyzed by 'Gods' desposition of idol worshipping, and that Satan is merely the theological embodyment of why christians refuse to accept polytheism? Do you think that 'The Beast and his image' and 'the beast and the false prophet' as described in your previous post are strictly in reference to other Gods and idols of such Gods? i.e. Believe in the one 'true' God; if you have any ideas to the contrary all that results is eternal suffering in hell with the demons that you mistook as Gods...
Wait... who goes to hell?
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Luke 18
18:15 Now people were even bringing their babies to him for him to touch. But when the disciples saw it, they began to scold those who brought them. 18:16 But Jesus called for the children, saying, “Let the little children come to me and do not try to stop them, for the kingdom of God belongs to such as these. 18:17 I tell you the truth, whoever does not receive the kingdom of God like a child will never enter it.”
Food Sacrificed to Idols
1 Corinthians 8:
8:1 With regard to food sacrificed to idols, we know that "we all have knowledge."Knowledge puffs up, but love builds up. 8:2 If someone thinks he knows something, he does not yet know to the degree that he needs to know. 8:3 But if someone loves God, he is known by God.
8:4 With regard then to eating food sacrificed to idols, we know that "an idol in this world is nothing," and that "there is no God but one." 8:5 If after all there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as there are many gods and many lords), 8:6 yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we live, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we live.
8:7 But this knowledge is not shared by all. And some, by being accustomed to idols in former times, eat this food as an idol sacrifice, and their conscience, because it is weak, is defiled. 8:8 Now food will not bring us close to God. We are no worse if we do not eat and no better if we do. 8:9 But be careful that this liberty of yours does not become a hindrance to the weak. 8:10 For if someone weak sees you who possess knowledge dining in an idol's temple, will not his conscience be "strengthened" to eat food offered to idols? 8:11 So by your knowledge the weak brother or sister, for whom Christ died, is destroyed. 8:12 If you sin against your brothers or sisters in this way and wound their weak conscience, you sin against Christ. 8:13 For this reason, if food causes my brother or sister to sin, I will never eat meat again, so that I may not cause one of them to sin.
being idol in heaven is standing apart from God, in darkness out of the light. but they are no longer an idol in darkness for they are against theyselves.
18:15 Now people were even bringing their babies to him for him to touch. But when the disciples saw it, they began to scold those who brought them. 18:16 But Jesus called for the children, saying, “Let the little children come to me and do not try to stop them, for the kingdom of God belongs to such as these. 18:17 I tell you the truth, whoever does not receive the kingdom of God like a child will never enter it.”
Food Sacrificed to Idols
1 Corinthians 8:
8:1 With regard to food sacrificed to idols, we know that "we all have knowledge."Knowledge puffs up, but love builds up. 8:2 If someone thinks he knows something, he does not yet know to the degree that he needs to know. 8:3 But if someone loves God, he is known by God.
8:4 With regard then to eating food sacrificed to idols, we know that "an idol in this world is nothing," and that "there is no God but one." 8:5 If after all there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as there are many gods and many lords), 8:6 yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we live, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we live.
8:7 But this knowledge is not shared by all. And some, by being accustomed to idols in former times, eat this food as an idol sacrifice, and their conscience, because it is weak, is defiled. 8:8 Now food will not bring us close to God. We are no worse if we do not eat and no better if we do. 8:9 But be careful that this liberty of yours does not become a hindrance to the weak. 8:10 For if someone weak sees you who possess knowledge dining in an idol's temple, will not his conscience be "strengthened" to eat food offered to idols? 8:11 So by your knowledge the weak brother or sister, for whom Christ died, is destroyed. 8:12 If you sin against your brothers or sisters in this way and wound their weak conscience, you sin against Christ. 8:13 For this reason, if food causes my brother or sister to sin, I will never eat meat again, so that I may not cause one of them to sin.
being idol in heaven is standing apart from God, in darkness out of the light. but they are no longer an idol in darkness for they are against theyselves.
The Beast is the Apostate Church or the Church of the so called NWO and is Powered by The Dragon or Satan, the False Prophet is the Anti-Christ also Powered by the Dragon. But the Idols and false gods cannot be thrown into the Lake of Fire, you ask why? Because they never existed to begin with, it was Satan Trying to blind to World from Elohim. All the False Prophets, The Apostate Church and Satan along with those men and women who lived Freely according to their own will knowing that God had planned something for them, will all be thrown into the Lake of Fire. Every false Religion, Doctrive, Sects, or Cults along with them, The Jehovah Witness and Mormon Teachings and any other accult religions if they do not repent. There is so little time, that's why the Lord says Always stay Awake and don't allow yourself to Fall asleep as did the Disciples did when Jesus was Captured. All those false religions lead to Nothingness and to Satan.
What do the first couple responses have to do with me? The answer is, they have nothing to do with me.
The logic stands. There is no absolute separation from an absolute God. Either God is absolute, or separation from God is absolute. Both CANNOT be true. Whatever you have read in the Bible, it has been mistranslated and/or misinterpreted. There is a few thousand years of brainwashing here. I understand that it is hard to let go. Just try to consider the contradiction as I have presented it. You can quote the Bible 'til you're blue in the face. That isn't going to change the fact that either God is absolute or separation from God is absolute.
The logic stands. There is no absolute separation from an absolute God. Either God is absolute, or separation from God is absolute. Both CANNOT be true. Whatever you have read in the Bible, it has been mistranslated and/or misinterpreted. There is a few thousand years of brainwashing here. I understand that it is hard to let go. Just try to consider the contradiction as I have presented it. You can quote the Bible 'til you're blue in the face. That isn't going to change the fact that either God is absolute or separation from God is absolute.
So far, I am unclear as to what exactly is that living entity which lives beyond the body, according to the Bible. Can anyone explain that to me? If it is easier for everyone, we can call it the "self". What is the nature of the self? Apparently, the body takes birth, grows, maintains for some time, produces some by-products, dies, and eventually deteriorates into the earth (if it is not cremated, that is). Opposite to this, there is the conscious self that is said to exist after bodily death. This is my understanding, at least. So what is the self according to Christianity?
Then how do you define God, without the Bible, his Characteristics, his Being, and his Omnipotent Power? So what are you trying to get out of these Conversations? To try to get us to contradict ourselves, HERESY it's no use talking to this man, he thinks the Bible is Mistranslated and Misinterpretated, if he won't read it for himself, why waste time on trying to explain to him. I pray for you 916.
you have the outside of your body which you see and understand then you have the inside of you which you do not see and can only understand threw the word. the outside is the temple of God and is not yours, and the inside is the spiritual world and if you take up will lead to salvation. so the conscious self already exists and has since God created you.
i got a question for you what does sin and sinning mean to you?
i got a question for you what does sin and sinning mean to you?
We have two different things going on in this thread. One concerns the nature of the living entity that goes to heaven or hell, and the other concerns the impossibility of hell as an eternal dwelling place. The former is obviously seeking a Biblical answer. The latter concern deals with logic following from the theistic premise (i.e. existence of an absolute God).
Then what kind of Responses do you expect, one from Non-theists who don't believe the bible but rather, the bible and it's scriptures are so vague. Me and Heresy have given you so many biblical Scriptures where you can read, and understand from a Non-Oranized or Non-Orthodox Christian Perspective. Hell is a dwelling place of eternal suffering. What more do you want us to try to help you comprehend that?!
So which is 'me'? The outside or the inside? Which is the part that supposedly has an everlasting life in heaven or hell? Obviously, whichever part that is, that is the real 'me'.
I agree with the Christians. Sin/sinning means to "miss the mark" that is God. Therefore I make the statement: sin means to presume as though separate from God. And this is fact. Every sinful act that is performed is defined as being sinful (missing the mark) because of presuming oneself as separate from God. When someone murders, they are presuming themselves as separate from God (i.e. independent and not accountable). When someone has premarital sex, they are presuming themselves as separate from God. In all cases, a sinful act is to presume oneself as separate from God.
Analogy: if the hand presumes to be separate from the body, it may take a morsel of food and keep it for itself instead of offering it to the stomach, through the mouth. In this way, the hand suffers from "missing the mark". It is because the hand is presuming itself as separate from the whole body that constitutes it's "sin".
Since sinning means presuming oneself as separate from God, that means that no one is factually separate from God. Because, if they were separate from God, then presuming to be separate from God would not be "missing the mark". They would actually be hitting the mark right on! Therefore, since we are sinning by presuming or pretending to be separate from God, it follows that eternal hell (absolute separation from God) is not factual.
I agree with the Christians. Sin/sinning means to "miss the mark" that is God. Therefore I make the statement: sin means to presume as though separate from God. And this is fact. Every sinful act that is performed is defined as being sinful (missing the mark) because of presuming oneself as separate from God. When someone murders, they are presuming themselves as separate from God (i.e. independent and not accountable). When someone has premarital sex, they are presuming themselves as separate from God. In all cases, a sinful act is to presume oneself as separate from God.
Analogy: if the hand presumes to be separate from the body, it may take a morsel of food and keep it for itself instead of offering it to the stomach, through the mouth. In this way, the hand suffers from "missing the mark". It is because the hand is presuming itself as separate from the whole body that constitutes it's "sin".
Since sinning means presuming oneself as separate from God, that means that no one is factually separate from God. Because, if they were separate from God, then presuming to be separate from God would not be "missing the mark". They would actually be hitting the mark right on! Therefore, since we are sinning by presuming or pretending to be separate from God, it follows that eternal hell (absolute separation from God) is not factual.
I'm glad 916 that you understand the Sinful View, but I think what Ody-Sicc means your flesh and the spirit, am I right Ody-Sicc? I'm may go off-topic if I am let me know, but the Real you is the Spirit, your spirit want to do what is right and good for you, as where your body tends to what it lusts for.
In regard to the nature of the living entity that supposedly lives an everlasting heaven or hell, I expect Biblical answers. In regard to eternal hell, I expect the logic to be addressed.
Let's just take this step by step:
Sin means to presume as though separate from God.
Do you agree or disagree with the above statement? By the way, I am referring to "sin" as a verb, not a noun. What constitutes sin is an act presuming oneself as separate from God.
Let's just take this step by step:
Sin means to presume as though separate from God.
Do you agree or disagree with the above statement? By the way, I am referring to "sin" as a verb, not a noun. What constitutes sin is an act presuming oneself as separate from God.