Timbaland get caught stealing from an other artist??!
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I watched the youtube video and i understand what you and he are saying but i don't agree.
Firstly who is he to say what sampling is, how did he become the authority, i couldnt personally give a flying fuck about his masters degree. I grew up on Hip Hop since 1986 - i was there the first time around when people were talking about 'sampling / using other peoples music in there own'
Would you agree that Timbaland has his roots in Hip Hop music? as a hip hop producer in my eyes he has a licence to sample what ever he wants. Have you heard Eric B and Rakim's I Know you got soul?, play that back to back with the original James Brown song and see how little of it they changed.
So Timbaland used parts of a 8bit demo from Finland = FUCKIN GENIUS, that is creative sampling. You even admit the Timbaland version is different, he added things he changed the arrangement, had a vocalist write lyrics to it. It became something else at that point, it is not the same thing Tempest did, even though it contains portions of it.
This is not the whole of Timbalands career, this is one beat out of hundreds we have heard and maybe millions he has made we havent heard. What Timbaland saw in the Tempest beat is a good melody and some cool sounds, so he jacked them and put them to good use.
One thing i did agree with was that this expose has inadvertadly given Tempest mass exposure, and he should be thankful
The only reason everybody is so upset comes down to one thing as always MONEY, if someone sampled that beat in their bedroom and put it on myspace and that was the end of it would anybody care? probably not, it's the fact Timbaland got bread that got everybody in Finland crying.
Firstly who is he to say what sampling is, how did he become the authority, i couldnt personally give a flying fuck about his masters degree. I grew up on Hip Hop since 1986 - i was there the first time around when people were talking about 'sampling / using other peoples music in there own'
Would you agree that Timbaland has his roots in Hip Hop music? as a hip hop producer in my eyes he has a licence to sample what ever he wants. Have you heard Eric B and Rakim's I Know you got soul?, play that back to back with the original James Brown song and see how little of it they changed.
So Timbaland used parts of a 8bit demo from Finland = FUCKIN GENIUS, that is creative sampling. You even admit the Timbaland version is different, he added things he changed the arrangement, had a vocalist write lyrics to it. It became something else at that point, it is not the same thing Tempest did, even though it contains portions of it.
This is not the whole of Timbalands career, this is one beat out of hundreds we have heard and maybe millions he has made we havent heard. What Timbaland saw in the Tempest beat is a good melody and some cool sounds, so he jacked them and put them to good use.
One thing i did agree with was that this expose has inadvertadly given Tempest mass exposure, and he should be thankful
The only reason everybody is so upset comes down to one thing as always MONEY, if someone sampled that beat in their bedroom and put it on myspace and that was the end of it would anybody care? probably not, it's the fact Timbaland got bread that got everybody in Finland crying.
Bottom line is Timbo got caught. He thought he was being slick by jacking some obscure piece of music. Where he went wrong was that he used it for an artist who obviously has an international audience (duh, Timmy) and he got caught. Not to mention the ringtone thing. So essentially, he jacked someone's intellectual property, used it to make money once (ringtone) then re-gifted (Seinfeld anyone) it to Nelly Furtado. All of this without clearing it.
Everyone who is defending Timbaland here is doing so from the Hip Hop perspective. In Hip Hop, people sample, interpolate, and/or outright steal other people's creations (sometimes without giving proper credit) and it's widely accepted... Wait... I said that wrong... It's ENCOURAGED.
You look at a cat like Kanye West who is very outspoken about how he samples music that he can't create himself and people find that arrogant. Especially those people of the starving artist variety.
You look at Dr Dre, who, during like a 4 year stretch was sued multiple times (Eminem - "I'll Kill You" & "Guilty Conscience", Xzibit - "X", Dr Dre 2001 - "Let's Get High") for sampling or outright jacking someone's music and not giving them credit. I'm sure he's gotten away with a lot more than we know (Phone Tap for example is from some spanish guitar record). If he gets caught, meh, he'll just cut a check and that's the end of it. People find the fact that he can just steal other people's creations, make money off of it and get away with it time after time arrogant. Especially since there are laws out there that prohibit this very thing.
After a while, it's not so much the fact that people are sampling that's the problem. It's the perceived arrogance of some of these cats when it comes to the subject. People have a problem with the 'haves' feeling like it's ok to just take from the 'have nots' and not give proper credit. It's a pretty simple concept and if it happened to you, you'd be mad. It's cool to front and act like you wouldn't be mad. But you'd be pissed if you got jacked and didn't receive any credit. Especially if a hit record was made with what was jacked from you.
Everyone who is defending Timbaland here is doing so from the Hip Hop perspective. In Hip Hop, people sample, interpolate, and/or outright steal other people's creations (sometimes without giving proper credit) and it's widely accepted... Wait... I said that wrong... It's ENCOURAGED.
You look at a cat like Kanye West who is very outspoken about how he samples music that he can't create himself and people find that arrogant. Especially those people of the starving artist variety.
You look at Dr Dre, who, during like a 4 year stretch was sued multiple times (Eminem - "I'll Kill You" & "Guilty Conscience", Xzibit - "X", Dr Dre 2001 - "Let's Get High") for sampling or outright jacking someone's music and not giving them credit. I'm sure he's gotten away with a lot more than we know (Phone Tap for example is from some spanish guitar record). If he gets caught, meh, he'll just cut a check and that's the end of it. People find the fact that he can just steal other people's creations, make money off of it and get away with it time after time arrogant. Especially since there are laws out there that prohibit this very thing.
After a while, it's not so much the fact that people are sampling that's the problem. It's the perceived arrogance of some of these cats when it comes to the subject. People have a problem with the 'haves' feeling like it's ok to just take from the 'have nots' and not give proper credit. It's a pretty simple concept and if it happened to you, you'd be mad. It's cool to front and act like you wouldn't be mad. But you'd be pissed if you got jacked and didn't receive any credit. Especially if a hit record was made with what was jacked from you.
^^ Thats not what i said, should the guy be credited / acknowledged for his parts of the beat - i didnt even go into that. All i'm saying is the reason this whole thing is important to people is because it involves money.
read again what i typed.
if someone sampled that beat in their bedroom and put it on myspace and that was the end of it would anybody care? probably not
read again what i typed.
if someone sampled that beat in their bedroom and put it on myspace and that was the end of it would anybody care? probably not
Sampling is different, and yes as far is sampling goes anything is fair, and it isn't plagiarism. Usually involves some sort of homage to the art form too, ya know, got ya sayin 'shit, I know that funk/soul/rock oldie, props for pullin that one up' What Timbo did is plagiarism, it was far from a popular song, so his audience had never heard it, and he gave no props to the originator, shit, he even used similar sounds to the 8-bit MOD! People do get pissed off when you use something that someone else has done. I remember when I recreated a bass line off a Sam Bostic beat for a tune, showed it to a friend, and he wasn't all 'cool, you used a Sam Bostic bassline', he was frownin and shit sayin 'nah blud I heard that before, what is it'..
Oh well.. I'd be PISSED OFF if someone stole a tight beat from me. Shit remind me of this Static Shock ep. i saw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fnf7Nbt8lUY
