THE TRUTH ABOUT WESTCOAST AND BAY RAP...ESSAY BY TRAGIC

[TRAGIC LOSSES]

BEING 29 YEARS OLD AND GROWING UP WITH RAP MUSIC FROM SUGAR HILL TIL TODAY,I FEEL I NEED TO SPEAK UP ON THE STATE OF RAP MUSIC IN GENERAL.

FIRST THINGS FIRST,I WAS A BIG WEST COAST/BAY AREA FAN...
WHEN I STARTED OFF LISTENING TO THE MUSIC OF RUN DMC,FAT BOYS,WHODINI,ETC I WAS HOOKED ON THIS THING WE CALL RAP MUSIC... AND EVEN THOUGH IM NOT FROM THE WEST COAST,I FEEL THAT SOME THINGS NEED TO BE SAID THAT ARENT BEING SAID ON THIS BOARD..I REMEMBER WHEN I FIRST HEARD DOPEMAN BY NWA I TOTALLY JUMPED OFF THE EAST COAST TIP OF MUSIC WHEN I DISCOVERED THE WEST WAS MAKING BETTER MUSIC..OVER THE COURSE OF THE YEARS I BECAME A HUGE BAY AREA FAN LISTENING TO THE LIKES OF TOO SHORT,E40,AND THE LIKE..I WAS A TRIED AND TRUE SUPPORTER OF ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING WEST COAST...YOU SEE OTHER THAN A FEW LOCAL CATS IN MY TOWN,WASNT ANYONE MAKING MUSIC FROM WHERE IM FROM...THAT WOULD SOON CHANGE...

THE SOUTH BLEW UP IN 95 WHEN THE WEST COASTS OWN MASTER P MOVED HERE AND MADE AN EMPIRE...BEING THE SMART BUSINESS MAN HE IS AND WITH LITTLE SUCCESS REALLY WHEN HE WAS OUT WEST,HE MOVED TO A HUGE REGION LARGELY UNDERREPRESENTED IN HIP HOP...A LOT OF PEOPLE ON THIS SITE AND OTHERS CALL HIM A SELL OUT BEFORE HIS MUSIC WENT WACK BECAUSE HE MOVED AWAY AND MADE MUSIC FOR OTHERS...BUT DID P REALLY FORGET HIS ROOTS???NOT REALLY....ON MOST OF HIS EARLY RELEASES IN THE PROCESS OF BLOWING UP,HE SHOWED MUCH LOVE FOR THE WEST...HE BROUGHT A LOT OF ARTISTS NATIONWIDE WITH HIS RELEASES THAT I HAD NEVER HEARD OF...PEOPLE LIKE LYNCH,JT THE BIGGA FIGGA AND I GAND OF OTHERS I NEVER HEARD OF TIL P FEATURED THEM...HE OPENED A LOT OF DOORS FOR THESE AND OTHERS TO A MUCH BIGGER FANBASE...AND WHAT DID THE WEST DO??THEY CALLED HIM A TRAITOR,DISSED HIM IN SONGS FOR NO REASON,AND A GANG OF OTHER SHIT..

OK,ENOUGH RAMBLING ON THAT...ON TO TODAY..
EVERYDAY THERE ARE POSTS ON THIS AND OTHER FORUMS TALKING ABOUT WHY IS THE WEST ON BOTTOM,WHEN WILL THE BAY BE BACK ETC...I FIGURED I WOULD GIE MY VIEW ON THIS AND OTHER THINGS WHILE IM BORED HERE...

1.YOU ARE NOT BEING HELD DOWN BY THE EAST OR THE SOUTH...POINT BLANK...WHEN THE WEST FIRST ROSE THEY GOT NO LOVE COMING UP...THE PIONEERS PUT IN HARD WORK AND GREAT MUSIC ANYONE COULD FEEL WITH A FRESH NEW SOUND UNHEARD AT THAT TIME...NO ONE IS DOING THIS NOW IN THE WEST THAT I HEARD IN YEARS...

2.YOU GUYS KEEP WAITING FOR OTHERS TO BRING THE WEST BACK BUT YALL ARE WAITING ON THE WRONG PEOPLE...I KEEP SEEING YUKMOUTH,SAN QUINN,E40 AND A GANG OF OTHERS MENTIONED ON WHO WILL BRING THE BAY BACK...NONE OF THESE WILL BRING IT BACK...YOU GUYS PUT YOUR HOPES OF SUCCESS IN PEOPLE THAT ARE HAS BEENS,NEVER WAS'S,AND NEVER WILL BE'S..DONT GET ME WRONG,A LOT OF THE PEOPLE YALL MENTION DO MAKE DECENT MUSIC,BUT ITS TIME WE GET REAL....YUKMOUTH,NO MATTER HOW MUCH LOVE HER GETS IN THE WEST WILL ALWAYS BE A ONE HIT WONDER WHOS LAST HIT CAME WHEN MOST OF YOU WERE IN PRESCHOOL..HE IS GOOD BUT HELL WILL FREEZE OVER BEFORE HE GETS CLOSE TO GOING GOLD AGAIN..YALL REALLY NEED SOME NEW BLOOD OUT THERE AND THE ARTISTS IVE HEARD ON THIS AND OTHER WEST BOARDS AINT IT..NO ONE I HEARD HAS THE TOTAL PACKAGE NEEDED TO BLOW UP..40 WATER,WHO IS AND WAS ALWAYS ONE OF MY FAVORITES,HAS GROWN STALE IN MOST PEOPLE NOT ON THE WEST COAST EYES..HE WILL GO GOLD WITH LIL JONS BACKING BUT THATS ABOUT IT.

3.IT SEEMS THAT THE ONLY ARTISTS THAT ARE MOVING ANY UNITS OUT THERE ARENT THERE ANYMORE...DRE IS BASICALLY EAST COAST NOW...BESIDES GAME WHO HAS HE PUT OUT FROM THE WEST ON AFTERMATH??NUFF SAID...SNOOP LEFT AND WENT TO NO LIMIT AND NOW TO NEPTUNES...STIL REPS THE WEST BUT AINT HELPIN NOBODY OUT THERE...SHORT MOVED TO ATL AND THE DANGEROUS CREW DISAPPEARS..SEE A TREND HERE???YOU HAVE TO EXPAND BEYOND WHT YOURE DOING NOW TO GROW AND THRIVE IN TODAYS INDUSTRY..

4.THE ONLY ARTISTS I EVER HEAR ANYONE GIVE PROPS TOO IN OTHER REGIONS ARE RAPPERS WITH AN EAST COAST TYPE FLOW(YUK,GAME,CROOKED I,ETC)...I HAVE NO SOLUTION FOR THAT BUT ITS KINDA SAD..

5.ALL I EVER HEAR IS PEOPLE BITCHING ABOUT OTHERS STEALING SLANG AND BLOWING UP OFF IT....YES THIS IS SAD AS WELL BUT ITS YOUR OWN FAULT...YOU GUYS DONT TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE ONE ASSET YOU HAVE,CONCEPTS AND SLANG...IF SOMEONE ELSE WOULD HAVE MADE THE SLANG INTO BIG HITS BEFORE THE EAST DID IT WOULD HAVE NEVER HAPPENED...AND TO BE HONEST,THE WEST IS JUST AS GUILTY OF STEALING AS ANYONE ELSE....YALL SAY IT YOURSELF THAT HYPHY IS THE WEST VERSION OF CRUNK...WHY IMITATE CRUNK WHEN YOU CAN INNOVATE???

IN CLOSING,THE WEST AND THE BAY IS NOWHERE NEAR BING BACK AS LONG AS YOU DONT THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX AND CONTINUE TO TRY TO DUPLICATE MISERABLY THE SOUND THAT BROUGHT YOU TO PROMINENCE...COME NEW OR SHUT THE FUCK UP...I EXPECT A LOT OF SHIT TO FLY IN MY DIRECTION FOR THIS BUT IT REALLY NEEDED TO BE SAID...AND THAT MY FRIENDS IS THE TRUTH,THE WHOLE TRUTH,AND NOTHIN BUT..

T.L.

 

[SLRider510]

someones bored......

 

[YOUNG BREW]

what makes yuk and crooked east coast style rappers..thats your own misperception of what a region should sound like.....cuz they use complex lyrics and punchlines they are eastcoast? lmao for real..u sayin we need to come a new and be different but soon as someone does somethin outside the bubble u callin them "east coast style rappers"...really tho..u have some points but overall an "essay about the bay" would hold more weight had it been written by a dude from the bay..my double dose of real 4 u

 

[mR.SiPpYGeTiPpY]

sorry mate, wasn't really refreshing. as you usually do in BART, i seen the flipside which you displayed many times..... many many times. surely you have as well?

did P piss off in '95, thought it was '96, and WCBB was '94? not too sure though.

P did bite, bit off more than he could chew, and I feel Yukmouth's ramblings were influential to the hip hop community and did affect P, negatively. I know a few people who are up on Yuk in my town.

as for washed up artists, they can never be washed up, as long as there's exposure, a consumer can find a backlog of their music and become MORE of a fan, or SWAYED by listening to their older shit. Music only gets outdated within the fickle findings of the MTV generation, who are all gays and lesbians who call eachother racial slurrs cause they think its cool.

i am drunk, which is more of an excuse of writing ramblings than just being bored...

i dont know what i just typed.

 

[R8ider]

any got the cliffs notes on this?

 

[SLOWPOKE]

I SEE U HAVE LOOKED INTO MARK 7'S EYES AND HAS TURNED YOU TO THE DARK SIDE......


MAYBE THIS CAN HELP


THE BAY IS BACK

 

[Murdaz23]

Dat Sum Real talk but sum of it is bullshit.. P took icecream man from da luniz.......n crunk was made by 40 mayne...u can hear dat shit in alot of his tracks back in da mid 90's...aint no one take crunk n make a hypheee...everyone doin they own thing...it kinda sounds like u hatin on yuk n da bay..i aint tryin to speak no shit or nuttin but it aint over til it over...

 

[TRAGIC LOSSES]

Dat Sum Real talk but sum of it is bullshit.. P took icecream man from da luniz.......n crunk was made by 40 mayne...u can hear dat shit in alot of his tracks back in da mid 90's...aint no one take crunk n make a hypheee...everyone doin they own thing...it kinda sounds like u hatin on yuk n da bay..i aint tryin to speak no shit or nuttin but it aint over til it over...

NO ONE TOOK ICE CREAM MAN FROM THE LUNIZ.....THEY RIPPED IT OFF FROM CHEECH AND CHONG...PERIOD....
40 INVENTED CRUNK????GET OUTTA HERE WITH THAT RETARDED SHIT....YOUR CREDIBILITY WENT TO HELL WITH THAT STATEMENT.

 

[TRAGIC LOSSES]

..u have some points but overall an "essay about the bay" would hold more weight had it been written by a dude from the bay..my double dose of real 4 u

SORRY,BUT YOU CAN READ THE OTHER PEOPLES POSTS ON THIS SITE CONCERNING THE BAY TO SEE 99.99999384% OF EVERYONE ON THIS SITE IS WEARING BLINDERS WHEN IT COMES TO THE WEST...SO I FEEL THAT ME,AS SOMEONE WHO HAS NO PHYSICAL OR EMOTIONAL ATTACHMENT TO THE COAST,CAN GIVE A MORE UNBIASED VIEW OF THE SHIT...OF COURSE YOU CAN JUST CLICK TO ANOTHER THREAD AND READ ABOUT RAPPIN 4'TAY WIPING HIS ASS AFTER SHITTING AND POST UP THE BAY IS BACK...

 

[Gringo Starr]

Dude said 40 invented "crunk"....LOLOLOLOL....dumb ass...

 

[TONY206]

Tragics got some good points. And why do you have be from the Bay to be the only judge on it's music? Big time companies don't hire outside companies to analyze their business deals, spending, etc. An outside point of view is always good because the inside is always bias.

 

[-TiM C-]

theres a post like this every fucking 2 days.

 

[skilz151]

press play... niggas on the block poppin thizzez and shroomin and all that didnt start till jus a couple years ago..from what i know the white folks been ravin it out for a decade or two rollin on e and trippen out on shrooms....i dont even know what my point is but its way off topic...my bad

 

[moonpizzle]

tragic losses I dont feel any of your points of view. Personally I am a firm believer that bosses in the 5 major companies (music industry) have a much more serious role in this here situation you speak on than you give credit for.

 

[GHP]

40 INVENTED CRUNK????GET OUTTA HERE WITH THAT RETARDED SHIT....YOUR CREDIBILITY WENT TO HELL WITH THAT STATEMENT.

yeah I heard that and got a chuckle out of it, as far as I know UGK was the first to say Crunk

 

[GHP]

I thought there were a handful of exceptional albums last year like Quinns and Messy Marvs but they didn't blow them up, i don't know why I honestly believe its cuz they don't have the major label promotion backing them up. Beesh blew up cuz he went out of the box and did an album mostly for the ladies and he got a gang of negitive backlash from the bay cuz of it, what kind of bay love is that? i dunno, i cvould go on a ramble rant too but most people will quit reading after a paragraph so i'll cut it short. Tragick had some good points though.

 

[TRAGIC LOSSES]

I thought there were a handful of exceptional albums last year like Quinns and Messy Marvs but they didn't blow them up, i don't know why I honestly believe its cuz they don't have the major label promotion backing them up. Beesh blew up cuz he went out of the box and did an album mostly for the ladies and he got a gang of negitive backlash from the bay cuz of it, what kind of bay love is that? i dunno, i cvould go on a ramble rant too but most people will quit reading after a paragraph so i'll cut it short. Tragick had some good points though.

ITS STILL WILD FOR ME TO SEE YALL PUTTING THE BLAME ON THE MAJORS FOR NOT SIGNING AND PROMOTING THE WESTCOAST ALBUMS....

DID NWA WHEN THEY FIRST COME OUT MAKE THEIR SPLASH BECAUSE OF A MAJOR??NOPE,THEY MADE NEXT LEVEL SHIT AND MADE THE MAJORS LISTEN TO THEM...COUNTLESS OTHER GROUPS DID SIMILAR SHIT AND MADE THEIR MARK SO THE MAJORS WANTED A PIECE OF THEIR PIE...NO ONE IS MAKING ANYTHING UNIVERSAL OR REALLY FOR THE RADIO OUT THERE RIGHT NOW...QUINN AND MESSY WILL ALWAYS BE REGIONALACTS FOR THE MOST PART NO MATTER HOW MUCH QUALITY SHIT THEY PUT OUT...I WENT CD SHOPPING TODAY AND COULDNT FIND EITHER OF THEIR CDS IN 3 STORES I WENT TO....THEY WILL PROBABLY NEVER BE PRIMETIME PLAYERS...THEY HAVE THE TALENT FOR SURE BUT ARE OBVIOUSLY MISSING SOMETHING THAT WOULD KEEP A&R FROM MAJORS AWAY...

 

[W3STC0ASTLADiiE]

damn ...aint from tha west/bay n thinkin they know wassup? shit....sumbodys hella missinformed...COME 2 THA BAY N SEE WASSUP

 

[threefoe]

Looks like someone has experienced "Tragic Losses" of brain matter. Every point you tried to make was grossly invalid.

THE SOUTH BLEW UP IN 95 WHEN THE WEST COAST OWN MASTER P MOVED OUT HERE

WTF? The south didnt blow up until a few years ago even cats/artist in the south will tell you that. And this is comin from someone who just spent four years in ATL. What the hell have you been payin attention to? Just because one artist blows doesn't meant the whole regions blew.

4.THE ONLY ARTISTS I EVER HEAR ANYONE GIVE PROPS TOO IN OTHER REGIONS ARE RAPPERS WITH AN EAST COAST TYPE FLOW(YUK,GAME,CROOKED I,ETC)...I HAVE NO SOLUTION FOR THAT BUT ITS KINDA SAD..

Are you fuckin serious? Yuk and crooked i have a eastcoast flow? Lmao @ that bullshit. Ihis is a perfect example of people takin credit away from the westcoast right there. Game for example he's blowin up and now everybody wants to say its becuase he has a eastcoast flow. What the hell is that? Thats bs and evidence right there that the industry doesn't want the west to reign again.

THE WEST IS JUST AS GUILTY OF STEALING AS ANYONE ELSE....YALL SAY IT YOURSELF THAT HYPHY IS THE WEST VERSION OF CRUNK...WHY IMITATE CRUNK WHEN YOU CAN INNOVATE???

Once again more bullshit. I've never in my life heard someone say Hyphy is the westcoast version of crunk. Its not even close to being anything like crunk. The only time someone might use them in the same sentence is to give someone a example they could relate to. Or when MTV.com put there own spin on it (which was more bullshit). Other than that nobody says that shit. We dont steal shit out in the bay. In fact we the only region that doesn't have some sort of inluence from another region in our culture. We do it all the way Bay each and everyday. That same thing cant be said for other regions and this is comin from first hand experiences in other places.

To sum it all up, your entitled to an opinion and nobody can change that. But you know what they say about opinions, they're like assholes, everybody has one and they're usually full of shit. Good Day.

 

[3VID3NC3]

BEING 29 YEARS OLD AND GROWING UP WITH RAP MUSIC FROM SUGAR HILL TIL TODAY,I FEEL I NEED TO SPEAK UP ON THE STATE OF RAP MUSIC IN GENERAL.

FIRST THINGS FIRST,I WAS A BIG WEST COAST/BAY AREA FAN...
WHEN I STARTED OFF LISTENING TO THE MUSIC OF RUN DMC,FAT BOYS,WHODINI,ETC I WAS HOOKED ON THIS THING WE CALL RAP MUSIC... AND EVEN THOUGH IM NOT FROM THE WEST COAST,I FEEL THAT SOME THINGS NEED TO BE SAID THAT ARENT BEING SAID ON THIS BOARD..I REMEMBER WHEN I FIRST HEARD DOPEMAN BY NWA I TOTALLY JUMPED OFF THE EAST COAST TIP OF MUSIC WHEN I DISCOVERED THE WEST WAS MAKING BETTER MUSIC..OVER THE COURSE OF THE YEARS I BECAME A HUGE BAY AREA FAN LISTENING TO THE LIKES OF TOO SHORT,E40,AND THE LIKE..I WAS A TRIED AND TRUE SUPPORTER OF ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING WEST COAST...YOU SEE OTHER THAN A FEW LOCAL CATS IN MY TOWN,WASNT ANYONE MAKING MUSIC FROM WHERE IM FROM...THAT WOULD SOON CHANGE...

THE SOUTH BLEW UP IN 95 WHEN THE WEST COASTS OWN MASTER P MOVED HERE AND MADE AN EMPIRE...BEING THE SMART BUSINESS MAN HE IS AND WITH LITTLE SUCCESS REALLY WHEN HE WAS OUT WEST,HE MOVED TO A HUGE REGION LARGELY UNDERREPRESENTED IN HIP HOP...A LOT OF PEOPLE ON THIS SITE AND OTHERS CALL HIM A SELL OUT BEFORE HIS MUSIC WENT WACK BECAUSE HE MOVED AWAY AND MADE MUSIC FOR OTHERS...BUT DID P REALLY FORGET HIS ROOTS???NOT REALLY....ON MOST OF HIS EARLY RELEASES IN THE PROCESS OF BLOWING UP,HE SHOWED MUCH LOVE FOR THE WEST...HE BROUGHT A LOT OF ARTISTS NATIONWIDE WITH HIS RELEASES THAT I HAD NEVER HEARD OF...PEOPLE LIKE LYNCH,JT THE BIGGA FIGGA AND I GAND OF OTHERS I NEVER HEARD OF TIL P FEATURED THEM...HE OPENED A LOT OF DOORS FOR THESE AND OTHERS TO A MUCH BIGGER FANBASE...AND WHAT DID THE WEST DO??THEY CALLED HIM A TRAITOR,DISSED HIM IN SONGS FOR NO REASON,AND A GANG OF OTHER SHIT..

OK,ENOUGH RAMBLING ON THAT...ON TO TODAY..
EVERYDAY THERE ARE POSTS ON THIS AND OTHER FORUMS TALKING ABOUT WHY IS THE WEST ON BOTTOM,WHEN WILL THE BAY BE BACK ETC...I FIGURED I WOULD GIE MY VIEW ON THIS AND OTHER THINGS WHILE IM BORED HERE...

1.YOU ARE NOT BEING HELD DOWN BY THE EAST OR THE SOUTH...POINT BLANK...WHEN THE WEST FIRST ROSE THEY GOT NO LOVE COMING UP...THE PIONEERS PUT IN HARD WORK AND GREAT MUSIC ANYONE COULD FEEL WITH A FRESH NEW SOUND UNHEARD AT THAT TIME...NO ONE IS DOING THIS NOW IN THE WEST THAT I HEARD IN YEARS...

2.YOU GUYS KEEP WAITING FOR OTHERS TO BRING THE WEST BACK BUT YALL ARE WAITING ON THE WRONG PEOPLE...I KEEP SEEING YUKMOUTH,SAN QUINN,E40 AND A GANG OF OTHERS MENTIONED ON WHO WILL BRING THE BAY BACK...NONE OF THESE WILL BRING IT BACK...YOU GUYS PUT YOUR HOPES OF SUCCESS IN PEOPLE THAT ARE HAS BEENS,NEVER WAS'S,AND NEVER WILL BE'S..DONT GET ME WRONG,A LOT OF THE PEOPLE YALL MENTION DO MAKE DECENT MUSIC,BUT ITS TIME WE GET REAL....YUKMOUTH,NO MATTER HOW MUCH LOVE HER GETS IN THE WEST WILL ALWAYS BE A ONE HIT WONDER WHOS LAST HIT CAME WHEN MOST OF YOU WERE IN PRESCHOOL..HE IS GOOD BUT HELL WILL FREEZE OVER BEFORE HE GETS CLOSE TO GOING GOLD AGAIN..YALL REALLY NEED SOME NEW BLOOD OUT THERE AND THE ARTISTS IVE HEARD ON THIS AND OTHER WEST BOARDS AINT IT..NO ONE I HEARD HAS THE TOTAL PACKAGE NEEDED TO BLOW UP..40 WATER,WHO IS AND WAS ALWAYS ONE OF MY FAVORITES,HAS GROWN STALE IN MOST PEOPLE NOT ON THE WEST COAST EYES..HE WILL GO GOLD WITH LIL JONS BACKING BUT THATS ABOUT IT.

3.IT SEEMS THAT THE ONLY ARTISTS THAT ARE MOVING ANY UNITS OUT THERE ARENT THERE ANYMORE...DRE IS BASICALLY EAST COAST NOW...BESIDES GAME WHO HAS HE PUT OUT FROM THE WEST ON AFTERMATH??NUFF SAID...SNOOP LEFT AND WENT TO NO LIMIT AND NOW TO NEPTUNES...STIL REPS THE WEST BUT AINT HELPIN NOBODY OUT THERE...SHORT MOVED TO ATL AND THE DANGEROUS CREW DISAPPEARS..SEE A TREND HERE???YOU HAVE TO EXPAND BEYOND WHT YOURE DOING NOW TO GROW AND THRIVE IN TODAYS INDUSTRY..

4.THE ONLY ARTISTS I EVER HEAR ANYONE GIVE PROPS TOO IN OTHER REGIONS ARE RAPPERS WITH AN EAST COAST TYPE FLOW(YUK,GAME,CROOKED I,ETC)...I HAVE NO SOLUTION FOR THAT BUT ITS KINDA SAD..

5.ALL I EVER HEAR IS PEOPLE BITCHING ABOUT OTHERS STEALING SLANG AND BLOWING UP OFF IT....YES THIS IS SAD AS WELL BUT ITS YOUR OWN FAULT...YOU GUYS DONT TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE ONE ASSET YOU HAVE,CONCEPTS AND SLANG...IF SOMEONE ELSE WOULD HAVE MADE THE SLANG INTO BIG HITS BEFORE THE EAST DID IT WOULD HAVE NEVER HAPPENED...AND TO BE HONEST,THE WEST IS JUST AS GUILTY OF STEALING AS ANYONE ELSE....YALL SAY IT YOURSELF THAT HYPHY IS THE WEST VERSION OF CRUNK...WHY IMITATE CRUNK WHEN YOU CAN INNOVATE???

IN CLOSING,THE WEST AND THE BAY IS NOWHERE NEAR BING BACK AS LONG AS YOU DONT THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX AND CONTINUE TO TRY TO DUPLICATE MISERABLY THE SOUND THAT BROUGHT YOU TO PROMINENCE...COME NEW OR SHUT THE FUCK UP...I EXPECT A LOT OF SHIT TO FLY IN MY DIRECTION FOR THIS BUT IT REALLY NEEDED TO BE SAID...AND THAT MY FRIENDS IS THE TRUTH,THE WHOLE TRUTH,AND NOTHIN BUT..

T.L.

I agree with some of that. I know that there is alot of diamonds in the rough out here tho on the westcoast that just arent known right now and just getting established..
Rap music in general is in a shittier state then ever tho...standards for quality are way lower then 10-12 years ago so IMO its not just the bay...Listen to Snoop's new shit then listen to Doggystyle and you should know what Im talkin about