The Official Seattle Mariners Thread
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Yeah, how long is it going to take them to figure that out? Hopefully not too long. I wonder how long they'll keep Ichiro and Guti in the lineup, too? Oh and what the hell happened to Smoak? He was doing good beginning of the season, now he just sucks. He's got just 4 hits in the last 10 games on 34 AB's.
Any word on Aardsma yet?
Any word on Aardsma yet?
Could the Seattle Mariners be close to trading Jason Vargas(notes)? That's what ESPN seems to be hinting at, but then again, it also did that with Felix Hernandez(notes) during last season and Erik Bedard(notes) earlier this year.
With the Detroit Tigers looking for starting pitching during the stretch run of the season, ESPN writer Jason Churchill opined that Vargas could be a good fit. He is right that Vargas would be a good pitcher in the large ballpark at Detroit, but he might need to rethink the value he has applied to the Mariners pitcher. His thought is that Vargas would be a cheap option, and that he isn't as good as Jeremy Guthrie(notes) of the Baltimore Orioles.
Yes, Churchill is referencing a starting pitcher that has a 4.18 ERA (career of 4.16) in Guthrie. Guthrie is also sporting a WHIP of 1.33 and a record of 3-12 this year—all at the age of 32. Then there is Vargas, who has three complete-game shutouts in 2011, is sporting a 3.49 ERA and a 1.14 WHIP, and is also just 28 years old. Maybe Churchill simply hasn't seen Vargas pitch this year, or doesn't know as much as he thinks he does.
The Mariners definitely have a lot of talent within their starting pitching right now, but that doesn't mean that they should just give it away. There is no reason to trade Vargas for another team's spare parts, and if the Tigers aren't going to be sending a difference-maker back in return, this trade isn't something that should take place. Some might say that the Mariners are in desperate need of offensive improvement, but that shouldn't come with the caveat that they have to give away good veterans like Vargas.
Seattle is going to appear in quite a few trade rumors over the next few weeks, especially since they have faded a bit in the American League West. This is one of those rumors, though, that the front office should simply walk away from if a team isn't going to send back talent that will help out in the immediate future. Vargas is a great middle-of-the-rotation pitcher, and he could also be a linchpin to the rotation for a few years to come. He isn't someone the Mariners should part with unless they are getting a really good left fielder back.
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ycn-8788037
With the Detroit Tigers looking for starting pitching during the stretch run of the season, ESPN writer Jason Churchill opined that Vargas could be a good fit. He is right that Vargas would be a good pitcher in the large ballpark at Detroit, but he might need to rethink the value he has applied to the Mariners pitcher. His thought is that Vargas would be a cheap option, and that he isn't as good as Jeremy Guthrie(notes) of the Baltimore Orioles.
Yes, Churchill is referencing a starting pitcher that has a 4.18 ERA (career of 4.16) in Guthrie. Guthrie is also sporting a WHIP of 1.33 and a record of 3-12 this year—all at the age of 32. Then there is Vargas, who has three complete-game shutouts in 2011, is sporting a 3.49 ERA and a 1.14 WHIP, and is also just 28 years old. Maybe Churchill simply hasn't seen Vargas pitch this year, or doesn't know as much as he thinks he does.
The Mariners definitely have a lot of talent within their starting pitching right now, but that doesn't mean that they should just give it away. There is no reason to trade Vargas for another team's spare parts, and if the Tigers aren't going to be sending a difference-maker back in return, this trade isn't something that should take place. Some might say that the Mariners are in desperate need of offensive improvement, but that shouldn't come with the caveat that they have to give away good veterans like Vargas.
Seattle is going to appear in quite a few trade rumors over the next few weeks, especially since they have faded a bit in the American League West. This is one of those rumors, though, that the front office should simply walk away from if a team isn't going to send back talent that will help out in the immediate future. Vargas is a great middle-of-the-rotation pitcher, and he could also be a linchpin to the rotation for a few years to come. He isn't someone the Mariners should part with unless they are getting a really good left fielder back.
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ycn-8788037
Thiel: Trade Ichiro, King Felix now
Former Seattle Post-Intelligencer columnist Art Thiel on Wednesday dared to speak the unspeakable for Mariners fans: He said the team needs to trade Cy Young winner Felix Hernandez and right fielder Ichiro Suzuki. And they need to do it now.
Writing on his site, Sportspress Northwest, Thiel said it’s time to face facts: The Mariners aren’t a playoff team. They aren’t awful, but they won’t be playing in October, either.
Dave Cameron of U.S.S. Mariner felt a strong backlash two weeks ago when he advocated trading rookie right-hander Michael Pineda, but his justifications were similar. The Mariners are likely not going to the postseason and Pineda’s strong start coupled with his low cost put his trade stock at possibly a career high.
Thiel suggests the parity in the game might prompt some teams hovering around the fringes of the playoff race to do something rash.
With about 20 teams in contention at the All-Star break, there is much foolishness across the fruited plain that convinces teams they are one or two players away from being good. Even Pittsburgh, which hasn’t been a contender since Barry Bonds’ hat size was smaller than Saturn’s rings, is giddy.
The fun-house-mirror effect means some among these general managers, at or before the July 31 trade deadline, are going to feel compelled do something, and that something has a good chance to be stupid.
Starting with Ichiro, Thiel acknowledges that his age (37) and salary ($18 million) appear prohibitive to any suitor, but by packaging him with, say, closer Brandon League the Mariners could get two major league-ready players and perhaps a couple of prospects.
Hernandez is the tougher pill to swallow, but Thiel likens his situation to that of Alex Rodriguez. The Mariners failed to trade A-Rod in the final year of his contract, opting instead to compete for him in free agency. He went on to sign the biggest contract in league history and the Mariners got nothing in return.
No matter his nice words about Seattle and the Mariners, Hernandez is fated to be traded. There may never be a better market for his services than in the next couple of weeks. He’ll also net at least two more near-term starters, plus prospects.
It’s a controversial stance by Thiel, but his central point is valid: Nothing this team has done in the past decade has really paid off and it’s ineptitude has worn thin with remarkably patient fans. “It’s time to bust some moves,” Thiel said.
http://blog.seattlepi.com/baseball/...o-king-felix-now/?gta=commentform#commentform
Former Seattle Post-Intelligencer columnist Art Thiel on Wednesday dared to speak the unspeakable for Mariners fans: He said the team needs to trade Cy Young winner Felix Hernandez and right fielder Ichiro Suzuki. And they need to do it now.
Writing on his site, Sportspress Northwest, Thiel said it’s time to face facts: The Mariners aren’t a playoff team. They aren’t awful, but they won’t be playing in October, either.
Dave Cameron of U.S.S. Mariner felt a strong backlash two weeks ago when he advocated trading rookie right-hander Michael Pineda, but his justifications were similar. The Mariners are likely not going to the postseason and Pineda’s strong start coupled with his low cost put his trade stock at possibly a career high.
Thiel suggests the parity in the game might prompt some teams hovering around the fringes of the playoff race to do something rash.
With about 20 teams in contention at the All-Star break, there is much foolishness across the fruited plain that convinces teams they are one or two players away from being good. Even Pittsburgh, which hasn’t been a contender since Barry Bonds’ hat size was smaller than Saturn’s rings, is giddy.
The fun-house-mirror effect means some among these general managers, at or before the July 31 trade deadline, are going to feel compelled do something, and that something has a good chance to be stupid.
Starting with Ichiro, Thiel acknowledges that his age (37) and salary ($18 million) appear prohibitive to any suitor, but by packaging him with, say, closer Brandon League the Mariners could get two major league-ready players and perhaps a couple of prospects.
Hernandez is the tougher pill to swallow, but Thiel likens his situation to that of Alex Rodriguez. The Mariners failed to trade A-Rod in the final year of his contract, opting instead to compete for him in free agency. He went on to sign the biggest contract in league history and the Mariners got nothing in return.
No matter his nice words about Seattle and the Mariners, Hernandez is fated to be traded. There may never be a better market for his services than in the next couple of weeks. He’ll also net at least two more near-term starters, plus prospects.
It’s a controversial stance by Thiel, but his central point is valid: Nothing this team has done in the past decade has really paid off and it’s ineptitude has worn thin with remarkably patient fans. “It’s time to bust some moves,” Thiel said.
http://blog.seattlepi.com/baseball/...o-king-felix-now/?gta=commentform#commentform
