Prop 8

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yay or nay


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Sicc OG
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well lol @ you for assuming and then running ur mouth without knowing for sure,..anybody "reading" my shit for reals would know i was generally speaking,thats why i said dont wanna have to come home,..and not dont wanna come home!......but wutever foo....my beliefs are like shea(shea,u forgot butch bitch!,lol),...im voting yes,...cuz its just not right,....my mom even claims she gays but had me and was married to my pops and i tell her shes brainwashed but she dont wanna hear it but says its sumthing shes always felt but i dont buy it!...and she sent me to catholic school for a while and i was taught it wasnt right u know!..and thats wut i believe in so now she acts like that?...and now she gets upset with me cuz i think that way?..so whos fault is it really u know?......it just comes back to bite her and it causes fights and problems!...thats why im saying if this shit passes,..it wont be right and alot of hell will break loose sooner or later with familys and society alone!....dont get me wrong siccness,i aint venting or trying to tell u my drama cuz i could care less.. but im just telling u guys from my angle cuz i live it,..and it has put a distance in a way between me and her,..but i mean we still cool and talk but we aint close like b4!.....thats why i say it should just stay how it is!...but the pro about it tho is that my moms can pull sum bad ass bi/gay bitches,lol...but yea...im just like fuck it wutever,...be gay do ur thing but dont try to include or involve me in any of u and "ur partners" bullshit ,....like a wedding,..cuz i wont go!...fuk it!...i know i aint alone in this either cuz alot of u got gays in ur fam too!
 
May 14, 2002
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In March, 2000, California voters overwhelmingly approved Proposition 22, which stated, "Only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognized in California." However, the California State Supreme Court declared Proposition 22 unconstitutional by a 4-3 vote on May 15, 2008. Proposition 8 restores the exact wording of Proposition 22 to the California state constitution reversing the activist decision of those four California Supreme Court judges.

Marriage is not a right!

Contrary to the claims of the anti-prop 8 forces, marriage is not a right. Marriage is a responsibility and a legally-binding contract intended to stabilize families with children.

Marriage has always been restricted


Numerous laws exist that restrict the ability of certain people to enter into a marriage contract. First, marriage is only allowed between adults, not minors. Second, marriage is only allowed between two individuals. Multiple partner marriages (polygamy and polyandry) are not legal. Third, marriage is not allowed between closely related individuals (brothers, sisters, and first cousins). If marriage is declared a fundamental right of all individuals, then all restrictions to marriage would be declared unconstitutional, opening the doors to polygamy, polyandry, incest, and child marriage.

Marriage is for procreation, not recreation

The reason why marriage is already restricted only to unrelated adult males and females is because the marriage contract is designed to stabilize a family so that children can be born and raised by a male and female parent. Marriage is all about procreation and not recreation. Individuals, whether they be heterosexual or homosexual, are perfectly capable to showing love towards others without entering into a lifelong marriage contract.

Prop 8 does not limit gay rights

Proposition 8 does not take away legal rights from anybody. Any two individuals in the state of California may enter into a domestic partnership, which, by statute, grants them all legal rights and responsibilities of married individuals (Family Code 297.5).

A "right" of gay marriage will restrict the rights of others

Where gay marriage has already been enacted, the rights of others have been abridged. Here are some examples:

* In February, 2007, the judge in a Massachusetts case ordered the teaching of the homosexual lifestyle to children in public schools.
* In March 2007 freshmen were told not to tell their parents about Deerfield, Illinois High School's pro-gay seminar and were required to sign a confidentiality agreement.
* In March 2007, a Massachusetts high school banned parents from attending a seminar for students on how they can know they are homosexual.
* In February 2008, a professor was fired from San Jose Evergreen Community College after being accused of providing an "offensive" answer out of the textbook to a student's question about heredity and homosexual behavior.
* In April, 2008, an Albuquerque photographer was fined over $6,000 for refusing to be hired to photograph a lesbian couple’s commitment ceremony.
* In May, 2008, a black administrator was fired from the University of Toledo, Ohio, for writing an editorial objecting to the comparison of black discrimination to same-sex marriage.
* In September, 2008, the California Supreme Court ruled that California doctors who have religious objections to artificially inseminating same-sex couples can no longer refuse to treat them.
* In September, 2008, A Placer County couple's marriage license was denied because they had written the words "bride" and "groom" next to "Party A" and "Party B".
* In October, 2008, First grade public school students were taken on a field trip to watch their lesbian teacher's wedding. The indoctrination of young minds has just begun!
* In October, 2008, An intolerant opponent of Proposition 8 violently attacked an injured a Proposition 8 supporter.
* On October 17, 2008 opponents of Proposition 8 illegally defaced my pro-Prop 8 yard sign.
* On October 23, 2008, a Hayward California public elementary school celebrated "Coming Out Day."

Proposition 8 is not about rights, but is about protecting marriage and families against the destruction of traditional marriage through the actions of four activist judges. If the institution of marriage is declared a right for all individuals then any laws that restrict that right will be declared unconstitutional, requiring that polygamy, polyandry and incestuous marriage be made legal...........Vote YES on Proposition 8.
BOO-YAA! That's what's up! VOTE YES ON 8!
 
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LMAO at all the people who think that voting yes makes you a bad person. This is not a civil rights issue. No one is holding back gays (except maybe gays themselves with all their crazy behavior and gay pride parades but thats another issue) they are not 2nd class citizens like blacks were be4 the civil rights movement in the 60's. This is about marriage. Marriage should remain exclusive to a man and woman. Thats it. Nothing you liberal, religion bashing people can say will change my opinion. Stop trying to make people feel guilty for their beliefs. Prop 8 doesnt say you cant be gay or you will have less rights than the rest of us, all it says it you cant get "married" you can still have your civil unions. Get over it. The people of California already said no, and we're gonna say no to gay marriage again.
 
Apr 25, 2002
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sorry, you just keep arguing with just the wrong person.
I know my shit from top to bottom, i wrote an A paper in anthropology of RELIGION about Ethnocentrism, you are obviously ethnocentristic because you are upholding YOUR religions basis for a marriage. WHAT I WAS SAYING is that there are DIFFERENT people WITH DIFFERENT religions. Do you understand that?
That's funny, because I wrote an A paper in Anthropology about Ethnocentrism as well. Hmm, I wonder who was right?

ETHNOCENTRIC
1. Sociology. the belief in the inherent superiority of one's own ethnic group or culture.
2. a tendency to view alien groups or cultures from the perspective of one's own.

ETHNIC.
1. pertaining to or characteristic of a people, esp. a group (ethnic group) sharing a common and distinctive culture, religion, language, or the like.

GAY and STRAIGHT is not an ETHNICITY. Chinese is an Ethnicity, Italian is an Ethnicity.

You may be good with Anthropology, but so was I.

"Ethnicity and race are related concepts in that both are usually defined in terms of shared genealogy."

Again, I'm far from Ethnocentric. I have never, nor will I ever, believe that my "group" is better than another.

So you are incorrect for saying that the law depends on the Christian Morals, because we are allowed to uphold any religious/cultural tradition, some of these traditions is to marry a man who dresses as a woman. If you actually studied cultures outside of your own, you would know this and stop arguing your flawed argument.
Show me where I said the law depends on Christian morals. I never said that in this conversation, BUT if you want to go there...let's go there. According to the law in the United States, you can't kill somebody. Was that not part of the 10 commandments? Theft, again, part of the ten commandments. I rest my case. So YES, christian religion has a lot to do with the way this country was built. We have the right to practice any religion, but the United States was built under Christianity. Learn the flag salute, that alone says a lot. As for culture, I have studied them. Italian, Mexican-American, African-American, Irish, English, Japanese...and I'm not done studying. I'm big on enhancing the mind.

If you didn't understand, religion IS part of ethnicity.
Ethnicity is NOT the color of your skin it is the culture and group of people or ideals that you attach yourself to. I can be white and be part of the ethnic community of Muslims since I converted as a Muslim.
Yes, I know that religion is part of ethnicity...GAY is not...just like HETEROSEXUAL is NOT! When somebody asks you're ethnic background, you are not going to include GAY or STRAIGHT in your answer.

A legal union is bullshit, and is not equal. Why should people that DON'T agree with your morals must be forced to live under them, in the land of the Free?
A legal union IS equal. You can come over here, and we can go talk to my next door neighbors if you don't think so. Fact of the matter is, if you have your LEGAL game RIGHT, it doesn't matter if you're gay, straight, married, single...nothing. In California, the union is legal, and it is equal. I'm also getting an A in Law (since we're bragging about grades and all). In the end, if you want to leave something to somebody, you can leave it to anybody. Companies accept gay couples for benefits programs, courts accept legal unions. What is NOT equal about it?

Oh, and I never used my religion as an argument. I said my religion says gay marriage is not ok, but it also says birth control is not ok.
 
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Man I say NO on Prop 8 because the shit don'taffect me. Plus as a black man, who am I to deny the rights of any people when my people struggled so long for our rights. Let gay people be gay and enjoy the same rights as the rest of us...denying their rights really dont do shit for me.
i know this post is dumbass old because its on page 5 but what does it not affecting you have to do with anything? no one has said that people cant be gay. you cant compare it to being a black man because its not the same thing. you were born black, people are not born gay. we can argue that all day but whatever. the fact of the matter is that it is not normal, period. if it was then how come you cant reproduce with two people that are the same sex? why dont you see animals of the same sex together like that. prop 8 isnt going to make it illegal to be gay. as I said earlier, for as long as people have been breathing marriage has always been between a man and a woman. there is absolutely NO reason that it should change now .. none
 
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I havent read all of the posts since about page 5 so someone may have already tried to explain this but someone tell me how other than this not affecting them it is a good thing to allow gay marriage? the only way I could see someone thinking that is if they came up in a gay household and that its how they were raised. if it doesnt affect you then why would you see the need to allow it because it has always been this way? I will never understand the other side of this argument
 
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i changed the link.. 'cause i knew someone would say that dumb ass shit.
you made my point by changing it. of course this seedmagazine.com article will have something like that, its a liberal site. show me a non biased site that shows this and I may consider believing it. by the way, me saying its a liberal site doesnt mean that I'm super conservative but one thing that I will never waiver on is gay marriage being unacceptable