Prop 8

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yay or nay


  • Total voters
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Dec 18, 2002
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I've said everything I had to say in the last Cali-Prop thread about this. I just wanted to come here and say that in that last thread I said that the human genome project isolated a gay gene. I read this from what I thought was a reliable source but I got the chance to talk to an actual Genetic Scientist last week and she told me that it wouldn't be isolated to a gene but would be a combination of factors. She said that they are pretty sure that homosexuality develops in the womb as a response to the mother's environment-toxins, stress, etc.

Otherwise I still say NO to Prop 8--I don't care about churches and the sanctity of marriage is complete bullshit to me. It boils down to a human rights issue for me and its as simple as that.

@thatguy -- only a hick from Eastern Washington would worry about somebody trying to fuck and marry animals. Step your intelligence game up you fucking Neanderthal.
 
Jul 24, 2008
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I've said everything I had to say in the last Cali-Prop thread about this. I just wanted to come here and say that in that last thread I said that the human genome project isolated a gay gene. I read this from what I thought was a reliable source but I got the chance to talk to an actual Genetic Scientist last week and she told me that it wouldn't be isolated to a gene but would be a combination of factors. She said that they are pretty sure that homosexuality develops in the womb as a response to the mother's environment-toxins, stress, etc.

Otherwise I still say NO to Prop 8--I don't care about churches and the sanctity of marriage is complete bullshit to me. It boils down to a human rights issue for me and its as simple as that.

@thatguy -- only a hick from Eastern Washington would worry about somebody trying to fuck and marry animals. Step your intelligence game up you fucking Neanderthal.
Science? fuck science it dont make no sense <sarcasm

Good points man
 
Apr 26, 2003
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marriage is for people who 100 percent believe in the word of god. u cannot expect to recieve the glory of being gods child and be willingly defiant against his law.
Im pretty high right now, so bear with me for a minute, buuut, the law should and for the most part does exclude the glory of any god. His/Her/Its law isnt American law. And what do you mean marriage is for people that believe in god, athiests cant be married? Hindus/Native Americans/Etc cant be be married? Yes they can and that because marriage is a licensed agreement between two consenting adults in America, not something that is bestowed upon a lucky few by a divine being somewhere far far away. uumm...and i thinks thats it till im sober...k
 
Mar 4, 2007
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lol @ the hippie saying grimey. You'd know all about grimey huh?
SIGGED!

Why without a religious outlook?
Because that is what i asked.



no u fuck what he meant was that NATURALLY fags cant make no fuckin babies but a man and woman can...
And my mother's adopted parents COULDN'T NATURALLY HAVE CHILDREN BECAUSE OF MY ADOPTED MOTHER'S MOM'S UTERUS!
SHE WAS NOT PHYSICALLY ABLE TO HAVE CHILDREN.


SHE NATURALLY COULD NOT CONCEIVE A CHILD OR GIVE BIRTH, EVER. JUST LIKE A MAN OR A POST-MENOPAUSE WOMAN!
ADUURRRRRRR

That's funny, because I wrote an A paper in Anthropology about Ethnocentrism as well. Hmm, I wonder who was right?

ETHNOCENTRIC
1. Sociology. the belief in the inherent superiority of one's own ethnic group or culture.
2. a tendency to view alien groups or cultures from the perspective of one's own.

ETHNIC.
1. pertaining to or characteristic of a people, esp. a group (ethnic group) sharing a common and distinctive culture, religion, language, or the like.

GAY and STRAIGHT is not an ETHNICITY. Chinese is an Ethnicity, Italian is an Ethnicity.

You may be good with Anthropology, but so was I.

"Ethnicity and race are related concepts in that both are usually defined in terms of shared genealogy."

Again, I'm far from Ethnocentric. I have never, nor will I ever, believe that my "group" is better than another.



Show me where I said the law depends on Christian morals. I never said that in this conversation, BUT if you want to go there...let's go there. According to the law in the United States, you can't kill somebody. Was that not part of the 10 commandments? Theft, again, part of the ten commandments. I rest my case. So YES, christian religion has a lot to do with the way this country was built. We have the right to practice any religion, but the United States was built under Christianity. Learn the flag salute, that alone says a lot. As for culture, I have studied them. Italian, Mexican-American, African-American, Irish, English, Japanese...and I'm not done studying. I'm big on enhancing the mind.



Yes, I know that religion is part of ethnicity...GAY is not...just like HETEROSEXUAL is NOT! When somebody asks you're ethnic background, you are not going to include GAY or STRAIGHT in your answer.



A legal union IS equal. You can come over here, and we can go talk to my next door neighbors if you don't think so. Fact of the matter is, if you have your LEGAL game RIGHT, it doesn't matter if you're gay, straight, married, single...nothing. In California, the union is legal, and it is equal. I'm also getting an A in Law (since we're bragging about grades and all). In the end, if you want to leave something to somebody, you can leave it to anybody. Companies accept gay couples for benefits programs, courts accept legal unions. What is NOT equal about it?

Oh, and I never used my religion as an argument. I said my religion says gay marriage is not ok, but it also says birth control is not ok.

I STARTED TO TALK ABOUT ETHNOCENTRICITY BECAUSE BELIEVING THAT OTHERS TO SHOULD HAVE TO UPHOLD THEIR MORALS TO THE SAME THAT YOUR RELIGION BELIEVES IS AN ETHNOCENTRIC BELIEF.

IF YOUR REASON IS BECAUSE IN THE BIBLE AND IN YOUR CHURCH THEY TELL YOU THAT IS NOT RIGHT, AND IT IS A SIN FOR A 2 MEN or 2 WOMEN TO LOVE EACHOTHER IN A ROMANTIC WAY AND BE SPIRITUALLY and/or LEGALLY MARRIED, AND VOTING ON THEIR RIGHTS AS FREE ADULT PEOPLE AND HOW THEY MUST LIVE THEIR LIFE AND HOW THEY SHOULD PLAN OUT THEIR FUTURE ACCORDING TO THE DEMAND OF THE RULING CLASS(VOTERS THAT BELIEVE ITS WRONG FOR NUMEROUS AMOUNTS OF REASONS), THEN YOU ARE BEING ETHNOCENTRIC IN YOUR DECISION.

I DO NOT BELIEVE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS A CHRISTIAN NATION, but I BEST BELIEVE ITS AN ETHNOCENTRIC NATION

IF YOU ARE NOT ETHNOCENTRIC THEN YOU WOULD DECIDE THAT YOU ARE NOT IN THE POWER TO VOTE AGAINST SOMEONE'S RIGHT TO LEGALLY MARRY BECAUSE YOU DO NOT BELIEVE THAT YOUR RELIGION OR MORAL BELIEF IS SUPERIOR TO THEIRS OR THEIR LIFE.


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p.s.@ Sydal: i'm glad you are learning about other cultures, makes it easier to argue with folks that are closed minded... hope you enjoy your future endeavors, and good luck with classes.
 
Mar 8, 2008
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its not about letting them get married its about having them call it a marriage. its just a word i dont know why they are so upset about this shit they still goin to be able to get the same benefits a straight couple has..