Prop 8

[Hu$tle530]

The only good thing about this prop not passing is that we would never have to hear about this shit again, but if it does, we'll go through the same thing again in 4-6 years.........

 

[Fucky McFuckerson]

Point being most gays and lesbians just want the same rights and benefits that the government gives to married couples. Seeing that most religions belive that being homosexual is an automatic pass to hell most homosexuals usually aren't very religious in the first place so the majority would be fine with just a civial union that recognizes they are a couple and entitles them to the same perks a married couple gets from the government.

Oooohhh...id have to disagree with you there, dude. You would be surprised at how many homosexuals are not only religious, but full on, good-faith Christians.

 

[Mr. Nice Guy]

*edit*(i am putting a few definitions of ethnicity and ethnocentrism to clear this up for you)
Ethnicity:
http://racerelations.about.com/od/skillsbuildingresources/g/ethnicityrace.htm

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ethnicity

Ethnocentrism:
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ethnocentrism

http://encarta.msn.com/dictionary_1861609294/ethnocentrism.html


sorry, you just keep arguing with just the wrong person.
I know my shit from top to bottom, i wrote an A paper in anthropology of RELIGION about Ethnocentrism, you are obviously ethnocentristic because you are upholding YOUR religions basis for a marriage. WHAT I WAS SAYING is that there are DIFFERENT people WITH DIFFERENT religions. Do you understand that?

So you are incorrect for saying that the law depends on the Christian Morals, because we are allowed to uphold any religious/cultural tradition, some of these traditions is to marry a man who dresses as a woman. If you actually studied cultures outside of your own, you would know this and stop arguing your flawed argument.

If you didn't understand, religion IS part of ethnicity.
Ethnicity is NOT the color of your skin it is the culture and group of people or ideals that you attach yourself to. I can be white and be part of the ethnic community of Muslims since I converted as a Muslim.

A legal union is bullshit, and is not equal. Why should people that DON'T agree with your morals must be forced to live under them, in the land of the Free?



lol LIKE I HAVE SAID BEFORE, you REALLY believe in your logic, that some child's parents being gay and legally married are going to traumatize the child to the same degree that children of divorces get traumatized?
what about parents that use drugs?
what about verbally abusive parents?
what about neglectful parents?
what about physically abusive parents?
should they not allowed to be married either?




lol, THIS IS A RELIGIOUS INSTITUTION, NOT A LEGAL INSTITUTION!

MARRYING IN A CHURCH IS JUST THAT
YOU STILL HAVE TO GET A LEGAL DOCUMENT SAYING THAT YOU ARE MARRIED FOR IT TO BE OFFICIAL IN THE GOVERNMENT'S EYES.

I am getting islamically married, but not married under united states law for this simple reason.

Islamically marrying is valid for people that are Muslim and between me and my fiance, but IF I DIE, my HUSBAND would NOT BE LEGALLY responsible of my property.

aranoid:

Where you at Rekomstop???

Marriage = legal union between a man and a woman


The Gays are trying to change the definition a word which has represented a social institution for thousands of years.


They should not be denied the same legal rights as a married man and woman, but they should not be allowed to change the socially and literally accepted defintions of the word marriage.


Let the gays have Garriage and they can get Garried or some shit.

"the social institution under which a man and woman establish their decision to live as husband and wife by legal commitments, religious ceremonies, etc."

www.dictionary.com


"the state of being united to a person of the opposite sex as husband or wife in a consensual and contractual relationship recognized by law"

http://www.merriam-webster.com





Holler...

 

[Nuttkase]

Oooohhh...id have to disagree with you there, dude. You would be surprised at how many homosexuals are not only religious, but full on, good-faith Christians.

I'd be willing to bet it's under 10%. Either way that goes back to the whole let the church decide if they want to marry them or not part of what I said.

I've only met one homosexual ever who would consider themselves very religious and it didn't make any sense to me at all. Especially seeing they were Catholic.

 

[SeriouslyThug]

EDIT: after reading through this entire thread, i have concreted the notion that there are ALOT of ill-informed, ignorant ass, mental midgets in the world. And it all starts with the Siccness.net.

HALLELUJAH!!

 

[Hu$tle530]

the majority would be fine with just a civial union that recognizes they are a couple and entitles them to the same perks a married couple gets from the government.

That's how it is now.

 

[Nuttkase]

That's how it is now.

In the whole US it's not.

 

[Hu$tle530]

In the whole US it's not.

Well this prop is only for Cali.

 

[Nuttkase]

Well this prop is only for Cali.

I know, I'm just giving my input on the subject.

Prop 8 wants to do away with civil unions amongst homosexuals as well.

 

[SeriouslyThug]

I'd be willing to bet it's under 10%. Either way that goes back to the whole let the church decide if they want to marry them or not part of what I said.

I've only met one homosexual ever who would consider themselves very religious and it didn't make any sense to me at all. Especially seeing they were Catholic.

you should never forget the closet homosexuals who are afraid to admit being gay to their own selves out of fear of an eternal torture.
lets get real, not only athiests and animals tend to be born gay.

 

[scandal]

I think a lot of people forget the bigger picture. It does effect everyone down the line, not just gays. Something to think about (analogy) If marijuana were to be legalized would more people smoke it? And what about how it would affect our youth?

 

[shizzniddel V.S]

YES ON 8 u bitches wheres the morals in this country?

 

[Fucky McFuckerson]

I'd be willing to bet it's under 10%. Either way that goes back to the whole let the church decide if they want to marry them or not part of what I said.

I've only met one homosexual ever who would consider themselves very religious and it didn't make any sense to me at all. Especially seeing they were Catholic.

Well, i think many of the homosexuals that are religious, are basically standing up for tolerance among the religious community...looking for acceptance and trying to prove that the bible says nothing to the ill affect towards homosexuals.

 

[Fucky McFuckerson]

YES ON 8 u bitches wheres the morals in this country?

Says the man who admits to doing and endorses criminal acts in his songs.

You, or ANY "gangsta" rapper, have NO BUSINESS talking about "morals"...EVER.

 

[MEXCOM]

The bible says all sins are equal. A liar is just as guilty as a homosexual. No one is perfect. It's the religious right that tends to forget that Jesus was all about compassion.

 

[Nuttkase]

you should never forget the closet homosexuals who are afraid to admit being gay to their own selves out of fear of an eternal torture.
lets get real, not only athiests and animals tend to be born gay.

This is very true. I guess I should have said out of the closet gays. Because we know damn well if some dude/chick is gay on the download they aren't worrying about being married to another homosexual lol.

 

[rudog]

lol LIKE I HAVE SAID BEFORE, you REALLY believe in your logic, that some child's parents being gay and legally married are going to traumatize the child to the same degree that children of divorces get traumatized?
what about parents that use drugs?
what about verbally abusive parents?
what about neglectful parents?
what about physically abusive parents?
should they not allowed to be married either?

People were bringing up how some1 can become gay, or go from straight to gay & I answered it. Some times it has to do with trauma, or maybe some other reasons. I'm not saying a person will become gay if they have gay "parents", but I definately think it can be traumatic. A marriage is between a man & a woman.

 

[rekomstop]

Where you at Rekomstop???






"the social institution under which a man and woman establish their decision to live as husband and wife by legal commitments, religious ceremonies, etc."

www.dictionary.com


"the state of being united to a person of the opposite sex as husband or wife in a consensual and contractual relationship recognized by law"

http://www.merriam-webster.com





Holler...

thats only one of the definitions.
it is included because that is the Christian definition of marriage.

an act of marrying or the rite by which the married status is effected ; especially : the wedding ceremony and attendant festivities or formalities

Why is god Capitalized in the dictionary and gods aren't?
Same christian bias..
http://www.bartleby.com/61/21/G0172100.html

1. God a. A being conceived as the perfect, omnipotent, omniscient originator and ruler of the universe, the principal object of faith and worship in monotheistic religions

http://dictionary.cambridge.org/define.asp?key=god*2+0&dict=A

god, female goddess (SPIRIT)
[Show phonetics]
noun [C]
a spirit or being believed to control some part of the universe or life and often worshiped for doing so, or a representation of this being

^ethnocentrism
WHY ISN"T Gods capitalized?
Gods are beings in polytheistic religions, just like God is a being in monotheistic religions.

lol, if you wanna grimey, lets go.

 

[rekomstop]

anyone that thinks they have a non-religious and logically viable argument then lets go.

mr. nice guy is the only person SO FAR, that has had one, and that is just definitions.

c'mon guys, really use your brains for once.

 

[SeriouslyThug]

i hope mr nice guy was jokin about giving a merriam webster definition on marriage?