Prop 8

[William206]

I put up the youtube videos right before you posted this. Check it out, cuzz it answers some q's on here & why I voted yes. Don't care if I'm a bigot, but I'm no idiot. I'm just voting for what I personally believe in & that's it. Forget about arguing over it any longer.

even if you just put it simply like that.. it doenst change the fact that
what you "believe in" is wrong.

let the fags get hiched Fuckers really shouldnt care

 

[MEXCOM]

Yes, the constitution is vague so it can be interpreted throughout the years, and yes it does say equal rights among men...thanks to the civil rights movement. However, the Civil Rights Act of 1964 had to do with race, color, religion, sex or national origin...it had nothing to do with sexual orientation. The constitution says absolutely nothing about marriage, heterosexual or otherwise.

so if it says equal rights for men what does it matter? gay men are men. women are 'men.' black men are men. white men are 'men.' the word men is used as an all encompassing term. and if straight people can marry why cant gays?

it doesnt bother anyone and it's not like shit has changed. gays are marrying now and its no different from when they werent able to. and you know why? because them marrying doesnt affect anyone.

 

[yadidimsayin]

hahahah that prince and princess one was funny as hell..like i said let the faggets do what they want jus keep that shit outta schools..if theres even a slight bit of chance that shit hittin schools im votin yes..

 

[NiNe2FiVe]

Yes, the constitution is vague so it can be interpreted throughout the years, and yes it does say equal rights among men...thanks to the civil rights movement. However, the Civil Rights Act of 1964 had to do with race, color, religion, sex or national origin...it had nothing to do with sexual orientation. The constitution says absolutely nothing about marriage, heterosexual or otherwise.

If it does in fact say equal rights, why equal for everything except this one thing? And if the consitution doesnt say anything about marriage why even debate the legality of it? Its being put to a vote, I think thats a the American way of working this type of thing out. Sydal man youre a cool dude, and I agree with a lot of the things you say on the siccness, but with all respect Im just going to have to agreee to disagree with you.

 

[FANATIKAL]

so if it says equal rights for men what does it matter? gay men are men. women are 'men.' black men are men. white men are 'men.' the word men is used as an all encompassing term. and if straight people can marry why cant gays?

it doesnt bother anyone and it's not like shit has changed. gays are marrying now and its no different from when they werent able to. and you know why? because them marrying doesnt affect anyone.

co-fuckin sign.

People are always talkin bout how the gays are goin into schools and corruptin the kids, what the fuck is not letting them get married gonna do about that? And I dont give a fuck if your gay or not, no human is comparable to any animal

 

[yadidimsayin]

So if you see me muggin Trippin and buggin
Dont stop and ask me why
Niggas just hella mad cuz lifes a bitch and then you DIE.Mac dre(R.i.p)

if u see me meanmuggin,trippin and buggin
dont stop and ask me why
nigga jus hella mad his patnas are dead cuz lifes a bitch and then u die

 

[Sydal]

If it does in fact say equal rights, why equal for everything except this one thing? And if the consitution doesnt say anything about marriage why even debate the legality of it? Its being put to a vote, I think thats a the American way of working this type of thing out. Sydal man youre a cool dude, and I agree with a lot of the things you say on the siccness, but with all respect Im just going to have to agreee to disagree with you.

Don't get me wrong, I have absolutely nothing against gay folks and I know this shit doesn't affect me. What I do have a problem with, is the fact that this issue was already voted on and it was overturned. Like I said, I don't KNOW about gay marriage. I'm really on the fence with it, because I can see both sides of the issue. I might not even vote on this one just because it doesn't really concern me. My religion says it's wrong, but my religion also says birth control is wrong. So, you can see my dilemma, lol.

My whole thing is, if gay people already have the RIGHTS of married folks in the state of California (which they do), why is this even an issue? It's not enough? I mean, I know quite a few gay folks that give a fuck about marriage, as long as they have the same rights.

All in all, complicated issue to even think about for me. There are bigger things we have to worry about.

 

[coondogg26]

and think of it this way. If prop 8 doesnt pass then there is potential for lawsuits against churches that refuse to perform same-sex marriages. Churches shouldn't be forced to marry anyone and you know that some gay couple is gonna end up suing their church because the pastor refuses to perform the ceremony.

 

[NiNe2FiVe]

All in all, complicated issue to even think about for me. There are bigger things we have to worry about.

I know right? Im just concerned about gettin some Pussu, yadidididahollayisayinshaboobalaboopy-yeeeee? lol

 

[Sydal]

and think of it this way. If prop 8 doesnt pass then there is potential for lawsuits against churches that refuse to perform same-sex marriages. Churches shouldn't be forced to marry anyone and you know that some gay couple is gonna end up suing their church because the pastor refuses to perform the ceremony.

They can sue all they want, but they will be wasting their time and money. A Catholic priest won't marry me unless I'm part of that specific church, even though I'm Catholic. My brother had to join the church he got married at, and do the whole counseling shit. So, if I can't sue any church for that, a gay person can't, either. It's at the discretion of the priest/pastor/whatever.

 

[Sydal]

I know right? Im just concerned about gettin some Pussu, yadidididahollayisayinshaboobalaboopy-yeeeee? lol

Yea, we can definitely agree on that one. As a matter of fact, I think it's time I made a phone call...lol.

 

[coondogg26]

^ yea but the gays will argue its because of discrimination, and lets be serious, this is California- if they sue they will probably win.

 

[MEXCOM]

no, they won't.

 

[MRTHECOSE]

^ yea but the gays will argue its because of discrimination, and lets be serious, this is California- if they sue they will probably win.

They can't and won't...

 

[SeriouslyThug]

lol some of you mother fuckers are startin to get old cuz you are on that outdated shit.
remember those older people back in the day who never understood baggie pants, pierced ears on a guy and tattoos? Welcome to your new classification


society is evolving and it will continue to no matter what, either adapt or get ready to be one grumpy old fucker

 

[rekomstop]

I personally am Catholic. Now, there are some things in my religion I don't agree with, and some things I do. This happens to be one. The thing about marriage is, it's been around for quite a while, right? Before it was a legal institution, it was a religious institution. I'm pretty sure the United States made it a public issue, because we're good at that here.

Marriage, traditionally, is the social institution under which a man and woman establish their decision to live as husband and wife by legal commitments, religious ceremonies, etc.

My neighbors are gay, and they have benefits and all that good shit under a domestic partnership. They aren't out there trying to get married, why would they be? They have what they need.

OH, and ETHNOCENTRIC is the belief in the inherent superiority of one's own ethnic group or culture. I'm not ethnocentric, and this conversation has nothing to do with ethnicity or culture, it has to do with religion and law.

*edit*(i am putting a few definitions of ethnicity and ethnocentrism to clear this up for you)
Ethnicity:
http://racerelations.about.com/od/skillsbuildingresources/g/ethnicityrace.htm

ethnicity a term which represents social groups with a shared history, sense of identity, geography and cultural roots which may occur despite racial difference

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ethnicity

: ethnic quality or affiliation <aspects of ethnicity> 2 : a particular ethnic affiliation or group <students of diverse ethnicities>

Ethnocentrism:
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ethnocentrism

characterized by or based on the attitude that one's own group is superior

http://encarta.msn.com/dictionary_1861609294/ethnocentrism.html

conviction of own cultural superiority: a belief in or assumption of the superiority of the social or cultural group that a person belongs to ( disapproving )

sorry, you just keep arguing with just the wrong person.
I know my shit from top to bottom, i wrote an A paper in anthropology of RELIGION about Ethnocentrism, you are obviously ethnocentristic because you are upholding YOUR religions basis for a marriage. WHAT I WAS SAYING is that there are DIFFERENT people WITH DIFFERENT religions. Do you understand that?

So you are incorrect for saying that the law depends on the Christian Morals, because we are allowed to uphold any religious/cultural tradition, some of these traditions is to marry a man who dresses as a woman. If you actually studied cultures outside of your own, you would know this and stop arguing your flawed argument.

If you didn't understand, religion IS part of ethnicity.
Ethnicity is NOT the color of your skin it is the culture and group of people or ideals that you attach yourself to. I can be white and be part of the ethnic community of Muslims since I converted as a Muslim.

A legal union is bullshit, and is not equal. Why should people that DON'T agree with your morals must be forced to live under them, in the land of the Free?

I voted yes for the sake of our children & for organizations/church's rights to say gay marriage is wrong. By the way, homo's going from opposite sex to same sex is enough for me to believe it's a choice they made. It's a trauma thing like some1 said, so of course we aren't supposed to understand all the reasons why people turn gay.

lol LIKE I HAVE SAID BEFORE, you REALLY believe in your logic, that some child's parents being gay and legally married are going to traumatize the child to the same degree that children of divorces get traumatized?
what about parents that use drugs?
what about verbally abusive parents?
what about neglectful parents?
what about physically abusive parents?
should they not allowed to be married either?

They can sue all they want, but they will be wasting their time and money. A Catholic priest won't marry me unless I'm part of that specific church, even though I'm Catholic. My brother had to join the church he got married at, and do the whole counseling shit. So, if I can't sue any church for that, a gay person can't, either. It's at the discretion of the priest/pastor/whatever.

lol, THIS IS A RELIGIOUS INSTITUTION, NOT A LEGAL INSTITUTION!

MARRYING IN A CHURCH IS JUST THAT
YOU STILL HAVE TO GET A LEGAL DOCUMENT SAYING THAT YOU ARE MARRIED FOR IT TO BE OFFICIAL IN THE GOVERNMENT'S EYES.

I am getting islamically married, but not married under united states law for this simple reason.

Islamically marrying is valid for people that are Muslim and between me and my fiance, but IF I DIE, my HUSBAND would NOT BE LEGALLY responsible of my property.

aranoid:

 

[Fucky McFuckerson]

well it will make it more socially acceptable, and sooner or later your kids are gonna be taught in school about gay marriage as well. its gonna seem like a normal thing so more people will get into it, more gay movies etc... im good on all that.

Uhhhh...so? Who gives a fuck? What does it matter if kids learn about homosexuality??? You act as if everytime two men or women get together, global warming increases or some silly shit.

Worry about your self and now what other people are doing and youll live a much healthier, fuller life.

 

[Fucky McFuckerson]

Marriage = legal union between a man and a woman


The Gays are trying to change the definition a word which has represented a social institution for thousands of years.


They should not be denied the same legal rights as a married man and woman, but they should not be allowed to change the socially and literally accepted defintions of the word marriage.


Let the gays have Garriage and they can get Garried or some shit.

I think you and i both know that marriage has been an ongoing fallacy since its conception. Marriage = sham, in the "traditional" sense anyways.

EDIT: after reading through this entire thread, i have concreted the notion that there are ALOT of ill-informed, ignorant ass, mental midgets in the world. And it all starts with the Siccness.net.

I would also like to thank a good portion of religions across the world that have made bigtory and hate so easily embraced and accepted!!! Good job!!

 

[cro-mag]

I'm voting no on 8. No group of people should be discriminated against. Who cares if gays get married, and have the title as being married, it shouldn't affect any straight person.

 

[Nuttkase]

In my opinion they need to abolish marriage on the government level altogether and just give civial unions to any couple, heterosexual or homosexual, who want to be together. Let the churches decide on who they do or don't want to "marry."

Point being most gays and lesbians just want the same rights and benefits that the government gives to married couples. Seeing that most religions belive that being homosexual is an automatic pass to hell most homosexuals usually aren't very religious in the first place so the majority would be fine with just a civial union that recognizes they are a couple and entitles them to the same perks a married couple gets from the government.