Prime example of what religon does to people...

[HERESY]

Since when did I take orders from someone right after they wrote, "I don't take orders from you"?

You have been asked several times to leave it alone. Please contribute to the thread or we can let the mod handle it. You are not contributing, and your antics simply create tension and strife. Again, I told you to leave it alone, I told you to go mediatate on something else. I have no reason to carry on a long drawn out discussion with you, and to be honest, I have no reason to talk to you period.

Please, drop it and go on about your business.

 

[n9newunsixx5150]

You have been asked several times to leave it alone. Please contribute to the thread or we can let the mod handle it. You are not contributing, and your antics simply create tension and strife. Again, I told you to leave it alone, I told you to go mediatate on something else. I have no reason to carry on a long drawn out discussion with you, and to be honest, I have no reason to talk to you period.

Please, drop it and go on about your business.

Of course you want me to leave it alone, because you know you are at fault. I have no antics. I am just not tolerating your nonsense. As I said before, you could have avoided all this if you hadn't been trying to push the blame on to me. It is clearly not my fault for responding to the question the way I did, and I have proven that. Now you have the audacity to try and give me orders.

 

[Cmoke]

Everyone in that church tends to think and agree in the same fashion.
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so they must all have mental cases.......trendy

 

[2-0-NINE]

Cmoke don't you post in the Detox alot?

 

[HERESY]

Listen, I've yet to see anyone here come to a mutaul understanding with you. The only thing I've saw you do is go on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on, and I don't feel like doing it. I told you it was cool and to leave it alone several times now but you keep wanting to beat a dead horse.

I am NOT at fault. YOU are at fault for jumping to conclusions. YOU answered a rhetorical question and jumped the gun. THAT is a fact, but you attempt to JUSTIFY your actions by mentioning Stockton who actually replied HOURS LATER after I said it was RHETORICAL. Do you see him making a fuss? NO! Why are you doing it?

There is no nonsense for you to tolerate, and if someone tells you to leave something alone you need to leave it alone.

If people tell me "I don't want to talk about it it's cool" or "No misunderstaning lets move forward" THATS WHAT I DO. YOU WANT TO KEEP GOING OVER THE SAME THING AND I AM NOT GOING TO KEEP DOING IT.

I did NOT push the blame on you but simply told the truth. YOU answered a rhetorical question. I had to explain what a rhetorical question is. YOU opened the can of worms by saying the question was irrelevant, and I simply showed how you didn't know what YOU were talking about. Again, that is not pushing the blame but telling the truth.

Again, for the last time, DROP IT, and go on about your business before the Mods handle the situation. Your behavior is NOT beneficial to the board, myself or yourself, and I'm sure most of the board would rather see you contribute in some fashion instead of trying to make a point.

Bottom line. I don't have to tell you question is rhetorical when I ask a question. I clarified after you answered and left it at that. I told you to go and meditate on something else numerous times, but you insist on dragging this out. Go on about your business man and find something more constructive to do with your time.

I SEE NO NEED TO KEEP THIS GOING AND ANY FURTHER COMMENTS WILL BE HANDLED VIA PM.

 

[XxtraMannish]

So why are we having this discussion? If you don't believe God talks to people (something that is your right to do), you are ruling out the possibility that she might be telling the truth.

Whatever ANYONE believes has no bearing on what may or may not be possible. Remember, we are CONSIDERING possibilities.

Again, what would be the PURPOSE of it? If you are going to sit here and say there is a possibility you need to explain how it is possible and the reason for it.

For the second time, I don't know what the purpose would be.That does not mean there would be no purpose or that there would even need to be a purpose. You're asking me why God would do something. How the hell am I supposed to know why God would do any of the things God does?

How do you NOT know is more important. WHY you don't know is equally important.

Questions are not answers to questions.

Did you not say several times now that you don't believe God talks to people?

Yes, I said I dont think God talks to people. that may or may not be true, but I personally have no reason to believe God talks to people. Have you not said several times in other threads that you personally talk to God? I asked you a question about how you can talk to God, not about what I believe about God. If in fact it is possible to have a conversation with God, don't you think it would be good for people to know how?

You are starting to go in circles

Because you keep asking the same questions.

 

[Cmoke]

Why doesn't she have the right? Is it not her constitutional right to protest and practice freedom of speech?

Do you not see how hypocritcal that is? Protesting the death of the people that protect that right for her.......are you blind?

 

[HERESY]

Do you not see how hypocritcal that is? Protesting the death of the people that protect that right for her.......are you blind?

They protect that right? LMAO! How so?

 

[Cmoke]

Cmoke don't you post in the Detox alot?

*waits for point*

 

[2-0-NINE]

*waits for point*

=so they must all have mental cases.......trendy

You said that we all might have mental cases, so drug abusers don't?

 

[Cmoke]

You said that we all might have mental cases, so drug abusers don't?

Who is "we"? I was speaking on heresy's comment about the people who follow the westboro baptist church. You came out of left field with some kind of drug agenda..

Stick to the conversation you are digging yourself a hole.

 

[Cmoke]

They protect that right? LMAO! How so?

*plays heresy's game*

How arnt they?

 

[HERESY]

Whatever ANYONE believes has no bearing on what may or may not be possible. Remember, we are CONSIDERING possibilities.

But you are limiting the possibilities. I am not limiting the possibilities.

For the second time, I don't know what the purpose would be.

And since you don't know what the purpose would be how can you say what the possibility might be? If I say it is a possibility that God told her to do those things, wouldn't I also provide a purpose/reason for it? Yes, and I did exactly that. There is a purpose for action, and if you are saying God is telling people to smoke cavy you need to explain the purpose of that.

That does not mean there would be no purpose or that there would even need to be a purpose.

This is circle talk. Everything in the universe has a purpose. Your dog getting ran over has a purpose. Kids being bombed has a purpose, people smokign crack has a purpose. What seperates all of this the way it happens and the players involved.

You're asking me why God would do something. How the hell am I supposed to know why God would do any of the things God does?

If you can't explain you shouldn't say it. You are the one talking about God telling people to smoke crack, yet you provide no logical reason as to why God would do so. I am saying God COULD have told this person to do what she is doing and that the reason could be to bring judgement against america.

Questions are not answers to questions.

I didn't answer with a question. I answered with a statement telling you more important questions should be asked instead of the one you are asking. Basically, I'm kindly telling you that your question has little importance.

Yes, I said I dont think God talks to people. that may or may not be true, but I personally have no reason to believe God talks to people.

So why would I waste my time discussing it with you? YOU DON'T BELIEVE IT. I AM NOT GOING TO CHANGE YOUR BELIEF!

Have you not said several times in other threads that you personally talk to God?

Many people have claimed to talk to God, from Ghandi, to King, to a couple of serial killers. Yes, I said it, but if you don't believe it why talk about it? You speak as if talking to God is far-fetched because you don't believe it and you are rooted in your value system. The ONLY thing that will change your belief is if you yourself have an experience that is life changing. If not, you won't change, and I see no point in explaining it. If you know I said it before what need do you have to see it again?

I asked you a question about how you can talk to God, not about what I believe about God.

How will the answer help you? If you don't believe it can be done, you are wasting your time asking HOW it can be done. Do you not understand that you're behaving in an illogical manner? If I say you can talk to God by rubbing your hands and eating pizza, what purpose does it serve? You don't believe talking to God is possible, so explaining it to you is a waste of time on my part (if I explained it.)

Because you keep asking the same questions.

Because you and others keep typing the same thing.

 

[HERESY]

*plays heresy's game*

How arnt they?

They aren't protecting anyones constitutional rights because the people they died fighting were not a threat to the continental u.s. or the freedoms of american citizens. What they are doing is protecting the elite leaders of this country and furthering their plan of imperialism.

Question answered, now how are they protecting this womans rights?

 

[Cmoke]

you run in circles all day heresy, you answer questions with questions and never give a straight forward response. You ask questions, make claims, and play both sides of the coin.

 

[HERESY]

Are you insane? You said:

Protesting the death of the people that protect that right for her

I said:

How so?

You said:

How arnt they?

I reply by telling you they aren't by saying:

They aren't protecting anyones constitutional rights because the people they died fighting were not a threat to the continental u.s. or the freedoms of american citizens. What they are doing is protecting the elite leaders of this country and furthering their plan of imperialism.

Now, how is this running in circles all day, answering a question with a question and not giving a straight forward response? This is a DIRECT response to your question. They are not protecting her rights, they are protecting the plans and structure of the elite rulers of america. They are not protecting her rights because the people they died fighting did NOT pose a threat to the rights in question. You my friend have sunk your argument.

Now explain yourself, how did these men and women protect her rights?

 

[XxtraMannish]

But you are limiting the possibilities. I am not limiting the possibilities.

I do not have the power to limit possibilities.

And since you don't know what the purpose would be how can you say what the possibility might be?

You're still assuming that I would have any way of knowing why God would do anything. God does what God wants. Maybe the purpose is God was bored and needed something to do. Maybe the purpose is because God likes people to smoke crack. I don't know and have no way of knowing. We can sit here all day speculating as to why something may have happened, but it wouldn't change the fact that it happened.

If I say it is a possibility that God told her to do those things, wouldn't I also provide a purpose/reason for it?

I guess you would, but you would only be speculating and/or pretending to know what God's methods and purposes are.

Yes, and I did exactly that. There is a purpose for action, and if you are saying God is telling people to smoke cavy you need to explain the purpose of that.

This is circle talk. Everything in the universe has a purpose.

That may or may not be true.

If you can't explain you shouldn't say it. You are the one talking about God telling people to smoke crack, yet you provide no logical reason as to why God would do so. I am saying God COULD have told this person to do what she is doing and that the reason could be to bring judgement against america.

And I said God COULD have told crackheads to smoke crack. He COULD have told killers to kill.

So why would I waste my time discussing it with you? YOU DON'T BELIEVE IT. I AM NOT GOING TO CHANGE YOUR BELIEF!

Because I am willing to consider that it is possible, and if it is possible, like you claim that it is, I would like to know.

You speak as if talking to God is far-fetched because you don't believe it and you are rooted in your value system.

I didn't say that. Anyone can talk to God. What is far fetched to me, is the idea of God talking to us. As far fetched as I think it is, it is still possible.

How will the answer help you?

Its hard to imagine how being able to carry a conversation with God would not be helpful.

If you don't believe it can be done, you are wasting your time asking HOW it can be done.

Not true. If something can be done, it can be done regardless of if I believe it can or not. If I don't believe the force of gravity will bring me back to the ground, I will still come back to the grouond, and when I find out that gravity actually will bring me to the ground, I have no choice, my belief will be changed. So if it is possible to carry a conversation with God, it will be possible, no matter what I think prior to being proven wrong.

Do you not understand that you're behaving in an illogical manner?

No, I do not.

Because you and others keep typing the same thing.

thats what happens when you ask the same questions.

 

[n9newunsixx5150]

I am NOT at fault. YOU are at fault for jumping to conclusions. YOU answered a rhetorical question and jumped the gun. THAT is a fact, but you attempt to JUSTIFY your actions by mentioning Stockton who actually replied HOURS LATER after I said it was RHETORICAL. Do you see him making a fuss? NO! Why are you doing it?

Fine. I am at "fault" for jumping to the conclusion that you were asking a straight forward question when I had NO reason to believe otherwise. Stockton didn't make a fuss because you didn't respond to Stockton the way you did to me.

There is no nonsense for you to tolerate, and if someone tells you to leave something alone you need to leave it alone.

You honestly think that I am at fault for regarding your question in a straight forward manner. THAT is nonsense. And I don't "need" to do anything you tell me.

I did NOT push the blame on you but simply told the truth. YOU answered a rhetorical question. I had to explain what a rhetorical question is. YOU opened the can of worms by saying the question was irrelevant, and I simply showed how you didn't know what YOU were talking about. Again, that is not pushing the blame but telling the truth.

You did not have to explain what a rhetorical question is. You could have just explained what you meant by the question instead of being condescending about it. And you know what, I didn't go all off about it either. I made a short, simple response. It could have ended there, but apparently your ego is getting in the way. I may not have known what I was talking about, but that was because I had no indication otherwise. "Thank you for clarifying that which I would've had to speculate otherwise" still stands.

Again, for the last time, DROP IT, and go on about your business before the Mods handle the situation. Your behavior is NOT beneficial to the board, myself or yourself, and I'm sure most of the board would rather see you contribute in some fashion instead of trying to make a point.

Who are you to threaten with Mods? You are dragging this out as much as I am.

Bottom line. I don't have to tell you question is rhetorical when I ask a question. I clarified after you answered and left it at that. I told you to go and meditate on something else numerous times, but you insist on dragging this out. Go on about your business man and find something more constructive to do with your time.

And after you clarified oh so condescendingly, I simply wrote, "thank you for clarifying that which I would've had to speculate otherwise."

YOU DID NOT LEAVE IT AT THAT.

I SEE NO NEED TO KEEP THIS GOING AND ANY FURTHER COMMENTS WILL BE HANDLED VIA PM.

Yet you saw a need to drag it out to this point. Perhaps you need to go back and read the response that you claimed you didn't read.

 

[n9newunsixx5150]

Now, how is this running in circles all day, answering a question with a question and not giving a straight forward response?

Since when did you want a straight forward response?


^^^That's a rhetorical question.

 

[HERESY]

I had to put my ex in check just now. Man, relationships are off the hook, but when you check a female and she understands it....wow...so gratifying.

Here we go......

I do not have the power to limit possibilities.

Yes, you have the power to limit your perspective and the possibilities. Evidence of this may be found in EVERY reply you have made so far.

You're still assuming that I would have any way of knowing why God would do anything.

No I'm not. All I'm asking you to do is explain your statement about God telling people to smoke crack cocaine.

God does what God wants.

Doing what you want simply because you can isn't applicable to God (in the biblical sense.) In most religious texts it is very simple. God says if you do "A" then "B" will happen, or if you do "A" I will do "B". Simply saying "God does what he wants because he is God" doesn't make much sense. God has rules and regulations that he himself must abide by.

I guess you would, but you would only be speculating and/or pretending to know what God's methods and purposes are.

No, I would be providing alternative viewing perspectives. Providing different perspectives does NOT mean I know it to be true or that it is true, and I have made that very clear.

That may or may not be true.

For every action there is a reaction. For every cause there is an effect. This is the way the universe operates.

And I said God COULD have told crackheads to smoke crack. He COULD have told killers to kill.

Again, what would be the purpose? I am telling you God COULD have told the lady to protest, and the purpose of the protest is to warn the world about judgement. I am giving you a reason as to why God would do that. However, I have yet to see a valid reason as to why you would say God would tell someone to smoke crack or tell some person to go wack thousands!

Because I am willing to consider that it is possible, and if it is possible, like you claim that it is, I would like to know.

I do not believe Santa brings gifts to 6 billion people in one night. I do not believe Santa goes down every chimney when some chimneys have fire and smoke blasting out from them. I do not believe in Santa. Now, how will info or beliefs about Santa change my perspective? Unless I see him or have some experience with him I won't believe he exists. You can tell me all day long about how he can morph his body into a skinny Santa (like Majin Buu) to go down a chimney, but since I don't believe he exists it is USELESS.

I didn't say that. Anyone can talk to God. What is far fetched to me, is the idea of God talking to us. As far fetched as I think it is, it is still possible.

:shaking my head in disbelief:

Its hard to imagine how being able to carry a conversation with God would not be helpful.

So why is it hard to accept the fact that this ladies actions could actually be ordained by God? Look, you can't have it both ways. I'm the one playing devils advocate not you.

Not true. If something can be done, it can be done regardless of if I believe it can or not.

But telling you about it is a waste of time unless you EXPERIENCE it.

If I don't believe the force of gravity will bring me back to the ground, I will still come back to the grouond, and when I find out that gravity actually will bring me to the ground, I have no choice, my belief will be changed.

Bad choice because you already know what gravity is and how it works. You have already experienced gravity. What you have done is crossed something out BEFORE you have experienced it, and like I said before, telling you is not going to do ANY good unless you experience for yourself.

No, I do not.

Well, I can't help you, bro. I've explained it in simple terms. If you don't get it I can try to clarify it once again, or you can do whatever...

thats what happens when you ask the same questions.

And thats what you were doing. Thanks for making my job easier.