Prime example of what religon does to people...

[HERESY]

Since when did you want a straight forward response?


^^^That's a rhetorical question.

Actually it isn't.

 

[HERESY]

Listen, I am going to address the following. If you have anything left to say hit me on PM:

Fine. I am at "fault" for jumping to the conclusion that you were asking a straight forward question when I had NO reason to believe otherwise. Stockton didn't make a fuss because you didn't respond to Stockton the way you did to me.

The reason why I responded to you the way I did is because of what you said. I am not trippin off the fact that you did answer, but what your answer contained is what stirred things up. Again, stockton replied AFTER it was already explained (which J pointed out.) If neither of you have an idea of when questions are rhetorical I suggest you look into a couple of reading comprehension and critical thinking courses.

You honestly think that I am at fault for regarding your question in a straight forward manner.

You didn't have to reply, and it is always a good idea to ask questions instead of going off on a tangent.

You did not have to explain what a rhetorical question is. You could have just explained what you meant by the question instead of being condescending about it.

How do you think YOUR answer to the question came off?

Who are you to threaten with Mods? You are dragging this out as much as I am.

No, I am telling you to DROP IT or to hit me on PM if you want to talk about it further. You are not contributing to the thread. Here it is I am having convos with several people about THE TOPIC, but my convo with you is going NOWHERE. I have told you several times that it doesn't matter, it is done, it is over with, go meditate on somethign else, go spend your time doing something else etc. I am not interested in going back and forth with you as I am with these other people.

Please, for the sake of the board, be respectful and partake in the TOPIC. I have no need to go back and forth with you about something small. You said what you said, I said what I said and I asked you to lets move on. This is what real men do, bro. Many times you have saw EDJ telling me he didn't want to talk about something and what did I do? I let it go.

And after you clarified oh so condescendingly, I simply wrote, "thank you for clarifying that which I would've had to speculate otherwise."

YOU DID NOT LEAVE IT AT THAT.

You answered in a condescendingly manner. You didn't have to speculate otherwise, and if you did have to speculate a simple question would have solved everything. In fact, it would have probably opened up some dialog between you and I, but you came from left field so thats where things continued to go until I said drop it.

Yet you saw a need to drag it out to this point. Perhaps you need to go back and read the response that you claimed you didn't read.

This response almost got the same response as that one, but I am trying to end the issue. Listen. If you want to have a productive convo with me this ain't gonna work. We either end this right here and drop it or you hit me on PM and we handle it there. Going back and forth with you is taking too much time and distracting me from replying to more interesting things. Again, man to man, person to person. Drop it so we can move forward.

 

[HERESY]

And I'll let you have the last word so we can move on.

 

[ilikeballs]

Doesn't look like she is using "religion" to me.

really, thank GOD for dead soldiers.

Are you reading anything I have typed? IF she was told by God to do it she DOES have the moral right.

thats a HUGE IF. plus it sounds like shes just repeating what the bible says. doesnt sound at all like someone who has been spoken to by god.

She can be in the world but not of it. She can be a light to the world and the only reason she should leave is if God told her to. If not, she can live where she wants and has a right to protest.

there are plenty of places where she could worship god in peace. why bother someone who doesnt care for what the hell shes talking about. plus she doesnt even know if the people even supported the war.

1. If she has been lead by God to do what she is doing she is not bothering anyone.

BOTHERING=To disturb or anger, especially by minor irritations; annoy.. sounds like shes bothering others to me. no matter who told her to do it. shes still bothering people. it bothers me that she says shit like this.

2. It is in her constitutional right to protest.[.quote] she can do whatever she wants as long as she doesnt intrude on others rights.

3. If someone wants to protest her church they have the right to do so.

ok, but she would definitely be offended if an antheist said something negative about god. her reaction would probably be the same as the people who dont like her.

Actually, I believe she would probably encourage it.

so you think she would encourage nagative talk about god?

First of all, don't tell me what to do. Second of all, I'M NOT THE ONE PUTTING GOD IN THIS. THE LADY IS. Third of all, take your own advice, because YOU don't know if God has commanded it, and since you don't know, you should probably be a bit more careful when you question this lady and her tactics because she may actually be an instrument to warn people.

is it not my constitutional right to say what i want? and secondly how do you even know god had anything to do with the aids virus or anything she claims god did?

 

[n9newunsixx5150]

Actually it isn't.

It is if I say it is. My intention makes it rhetorical.

 

[2-0-NINE]

916 what does [moon di yan ta bachi a bi la] mean?

 

[n9newunsixx5150]

Listen, I am going to address the following. If you have anything left to say hit me on PM:



The reason why I responded to you the way I did is because of what you said. I am not trippin off the fact that you did answer, but what your answer contained is what stirred things up. Again, stockton replied AFTER it was already explained (which J pointed out.) If neither of you have an idea of when questions are rhetorical I suggest you look into a couple of reading comprehension and critical thinking courses.



You didn't have to reply, and it is always a good idea to ask questions instead of going off on a tangent.



How do you think YOUR answer to the question came off?



No, I am telling you to DROP IT or to hit me on PM if you want to talk about it further. You are not contributing to the thread. Here it is I am having convos with several people about THE TOPIC, but my convo with you is going NOWHERE. I have told you several times that it doesn't matter, it is done, it is over with, go meditate on somethign else, go spend your time doing something else etc. I am not interested in going back and forth with you as I am with these other people.

Please, for the sake of the board, be respectful and partake in the TOPIC. I have no need to go back and forth with you about something small. You said what you said, I said what I said and I asked you to lets move on. This is what real men do, bro. Many times you have saw EDJ telling me he didn't want to talk about something and what did I do? I let it go.




You answered in a condescendingly manner. You didn't have to speculate otherwise, and if you did have to speculate a simple question would have solved everything. In fact, it would have probably opened up some dialog between you and I, but you came from left field so thats where things continued to go until I said drop it.



This response almost got the same response as that one, but I am trying to end the issue. Listen. If you want to have a productive convo with me this ain't gonna work. We either end this right here and drop it or you hit me on PM and we handle it there. Going back and forth with you is taking too much time and distracting me from replying to more interesting things. Again, man to man, person to person. Drop it so we can move forward.

I apologize if my answer came off in some negative way. I was considering the question objectively, and my response to your reaction wasn't nearly as condescending or rude. It is actually true that I regarded your question in a straght forward manner. And it is actually true that I could have only speculated that you had some other meaning. But what boggles my mind is that you think I should somehow know your intentions.

I thought it was over after I wrote, "thank you for clarifying what I would've had to speculate otherwise". It should have been done after that because the fact of the matter is that I would've had to speculate that your question had something to do with what people think about God. And maybe if we were having this discussion in person, I would have caught on to your intention. It is different when you're reading words on a screen.

And although I cannot accept responsibility for what you are accusing me, for the sake of getting along, I will consider this the closest to a resolution.

 

[n9newunsixx5150]

916 what does [moon di yan ta bachi a bi la] mean?

I do not know.

 

[XxtraMannish]

No I'm not. All I'm asking you to do is explain your statement about God telling people to smoke crack cocaine.

I can't prove its impossible, so it may be possible. Did God actually tell people to do those things? I have no idea. Do I doubt it? Yes. Hell, you say God talks to you, why not ask God why God does what God does? I'm not going to sit here and pretend to know why God would do anything that God does.

Doing what you want simply because you can isn't applicable to God (in the biblical sense.)

Maybe the Bible has nothing to do with God. For all you or I know, the Bible could have been bedtime stories that people took way too seriously.

In most religious texts it is very simple. God says if you do "A" then "B" will happen, or if you do "A" I will do "B". Simply saying "God does what he wants because he is God" doesn't make much sense. God has rules and regulations that he himself must abide by.

According to books written by men.

Again, what would be the purpose? I am telling you God COULD have told the lady to protest, and the purpose of the protest is to warn the world about judgement. I am giving you a reason as to why God would do that. However, I have yet to see a valid reason as to why you would say God would tell someone to smoke crack or tell some person to go wack thousands!

LOL, damn. OK, just so that you can move on from this: God COULD have told someone to smoke rocks because the user needed to kill off some demonically tainted brain cells. God COULD have told someone to become a killer because the people they are instructed to kill would have committed some horrible act if they were allowed to live.

I do not believe Santa brings gifts to 6 billion people in one night. I do not believe Santa goes down every chimney when some chimneys have fire and smoke blasting out from them. I do not believe in Santa. Now, how will info or beliefs about Santa change my perspective? Unless I see him or have some experience with him I won't believe he exists. You can tell me all day long about how he can morph his body into a skinny Santa (like Majin Buu) to go down a chimney, but since I don't believe he exists it is USELESS.

To take a page from your book, thats a bad example because you already know Santa does not exist.

:shaking my head in disbelief:

What I meant by that was that anybody can talk "to" anybody. That doesnt mean that whoever they are talking to will listen, respond or even hear them to begin with. Anybody can talk "to" God, but wether or not God will respond is a different matter.

So why is it hard to accept the fact that this ladies actions could actually be ordained by God? Look, you can't have it both ways. I'm the one playing devils advocate not you.

I never said they couldn't be.

But telling you about it is a waste of time unless you EXPERIENCE it.

Well, explain to me how you get God to talk to you so that I can experience it.

Bad choice because you already know what gravity is and how it works. You have already experienced gravity.

You're missing the point. I can believe that there is no such thing as gravity all I want, but I will be proven wrong once I come back down. Just as I can believe that God does not talk to people all I want, but if God actually talks to me sometime, then I would have to believe that God talks to people.

What you have done is crossed something out BEFORE you have experienced it, and like I said before, telling you is not going to do ANY good unless you experience for yourself.

Why would I believe God talks to people unless I have experienced it? It wouldn't be logical to believe something unless there is some type of evidence to support it.

 

[XxtraMannish]

916 what does [moon di yan ta bachi a bi la] mean?

My guess is it means something similar to "clatu verata nictu"

 

[HERESY]

I can't prove its impossible, so it may be possible. Did God actually tell people to do those things? I have no idea. Do I doubt it? Yes. Hell, you say God talks to you, why not ask God why God does what God does? I'm not going to sit here and pretend to know why God would do anything that God does.

You still don't get it and throwing me in the loop doesn't help your case. If you are going to say/imply that God tells people to do "A" you need to also explain the purpose for doing so. No one is asking you to sit here and pretend anything. What you are being asked is to provide some logic to support your claims -- nothing more,nothing less.

Maybe the Bible has nothing to do with God.

And in order to derail that argument I said "in the biblical sense", and based on the fact that this lady DOES claim to speak about the God of the Bible, that is what we need to focus on.

the Bible could have been bedtime stories that people took way too seriously.

And your belief that it could have been is derived from what?

According to books written by men.

How does man writing it make it less valid? Are your words less valid because youw rite them? Great, now I can quit talking to you because you are a man and everything you write is invalid. In fact, I'll do one better, let us toss out EVERY BOOK or word EVER written because it was written by man! THAT is how YOUR logic works.

LOL, damn. OK, just so that you can move on from this: God COULD have told someone to smoke rocks because the user needed to kill off some demonically tainted brain cells. God COULD have told someone to become a killer because the people they are instructed to kill would have committed some horrible act if they were allowed to live.

Was it that hard? Why did I have to repeat myself over and over when you could have answered this pages ago? However, I don't agree with what COULD be the purpose, but the fact that you tied the loose end is enough, and thats all I asked for.

To take a page from your book, thats a bad example because you already know Santa does not exist.

Which is the reason WHY I typed it. If I already believe he doesn't exist, the ONLY thing that is going to change my mind IS an experience/encounter with the fat guy. Again, since I don't believe he exists, ANY info outside of personal experience is useless, and this is what you fail to see.

What I meant by that was that anybody can talk "to" anybody. That doesnt mean that whoever they are talking to will listen, respond or even hear them to begin with. Anybody can talk "to" God, but wether or not God will respond is a different matter.

Why wouldn't God respond? Is he incapable of responding? Do you have to meet a certain criteria for him to respond? Is he too far away to respond? Remember, this is something YOU believe, so I think it is best if you explained it.

I never said they couldn't be.

But when you condemn her you are ruling out all possibilities.

Well, explain to me how you get God to talk to you so that I can experience it.

Read what you typed. I want you to read that several times to yourself.

You're missing the point. I can believe that there is no such thing as gravity all I want, but I will be proven wrong once I come back down.

No, YOU are missing the point. You are already CONDITIONED to believe gravity and you have EXPERIENCED gravity. I have been conditioned to NOT believe in Santa and I have NO EXPERIENCE. Do you see the difference? No matter what you are going to experience gravity, and no matter how much you deny it the same thing is going to happen when you come down. EXPERIENCE.

Just as I can believe that God does not talk to people all I want but if God actually talks to me sometime, then I would have to believe that God talks to people.

Experience, but since God does NOT talk to YOU, your belief is God does not talk to OTHERS.

Why would I believe God talks to people unless I have experienced it?

Is somethign wrong with you? Either you are trying to be funny guy, you really haven't read a damn thing I've typed, or you simply can't comprehend much of anything. Why would you believe God talks to people unless you have experienced it? Hmmmmm SOCIALIZATION? HMMMMMMM RELIGION? HMMMMMMM CULTURE and VALUES? Hmmmmmm SOMEONE ELSES EXPERIENCE?

It wouldn't be logical to believe something unless there is some type of evidence to support it.

Do parents teach children VALID things without some type of support or evidence? A simple yes or no will suffice. No drawn out answer just a yes or no.

 

[ParkBoyz]

Nope, if you read the bible, just google these. Fall of Sodom and Gomorrah, the fall of Rome, the Fall of many empires, the FALL OF THE TEMPLE in Israel. The fall of Babylon, and the New Babylon, "THE USA". That's all, read them in the bible.

Why do people automatically assume that America is the New Babylon? Check the crime stats bud, there's a lot more murder, rape, etc. in those 3rd world countries than here, and sin is sin.

 

[HERESY]

really, thank GOD for dead soldiers.

How is that using religion?

thats a HUGE IF.

Why is it a "HUGE IF"? What are you basing this probablity on?

plus it sounds like shes just repeating what the bible says. doesnt sound at all like someone who has been spoken to by god.

Actually, IMHO, it doesn't sound like she is just repeating what the bible says, and what does a person who has been spoken to by God supposed to sound like?

there are plenty of places where she could worship god in peace.

This is NOT about her worshipping God in peace. This is about her PROTESTING. You are introducing something that has NO PLACE in this discussion.

why bother someone who doesnt care for what the hell shes talking about.

If she is doing the will of God she is not bothering them. If she is protesting legally that is her right. And someone MUST care about what she is talking about because she made it to national tv several times. If they agree with it is another matter.

plus she doesnt even know if the people even supported the war.

They supported the war. If they didn't they would have gone awol or tried to get out. If their convictions were strongly against the war they would have put aside ANY and ALL thoughts/beliefs/possibilities and stood for what they believe in. There would not have been a case of "I'm just doing my job". If you believe something is wrong, and you have strong convictions, you won't care about just doing your job because your convictions and morale with supercede the tangible.

BOTHERING=To disturb or anger, especially by minor irritations; annoy.. sounds like shes bothering others to me.

PROTEST = an expression or declaration of objection, disapproval, or dissent, often in opposition to something a person is powerless to prevent or avoid, to give manifest expression to objection or disapproval; remonstrate.

She is PROTESTING. If she were BOTHERING she would face CRIMINAL CHARGES. Do the people FEEL bothered? Possibly, and this is not something can be denied, but they don't have to feel bothered. Case in point, not too long a go a man murdered several children at an Amish community. Do you know what the community did?

no matter who told her to do it. shes still bothering people. it bothers me that she says shit like this.

If GOD told her to do it I have NO PROBLEM with it. If GOD told her to do it and YOU have a problem with it thats between teh two of you. If it bothers you so much, why don't you do something about it? Here it is you are suggesting she LEAVE, but why don't YOU do something since you are bothered?

she can do whatever she wants as long as she doesnt intrude on others rights.

SHE HASN'T INTRUDED ON THE RIGHTS OF OTHERS WHICH IS WHY SHE WAS ALLOWED TO PROTEST!

ok, but she would definitely be offended if an antheist said something negative about god.

I don't know her, and I don't know what angers her or her threshold of anger. Since all of this is true I cannot say she would definitely be offended. However, it appears she was offended by the person who claimed to worship God, so who knows?

her reaction would probably be the same as the people who dont like her.

Actually, if you look at the clips it appears that she is only confrontational when driven to that point. Her reaction probably would be like that, but you know what? I can't really say that. Look at the clip where the man was BOTHERING her husband. Did she go off on a tangent? No, she behaved in a manner a woman is supposed to and told him that the man was her HUSBAND and told the guy to back off.

so you think she would encourage nagative talk about god?

That can be swing either way depending on whats actually going on. IF she is being led by God she wouldn't be encouraging negative talk, and if it happened it wouldn't be her fault because it would happen regardless. However, from what I see in the clips, she is not encouraging negative talk about God, and none of the people have said anything negative about God. They have said things about HER. IF she is NOT lead by God, and she has a need to have the spotlight on her she may encourage it.

 

[2-0-NINE]

Why do people automatically assume that America is the New Babylon? Check the crime stats bud, there's a lot more murder, rape, etc. in those 3rd world countries than here, and sin is sin.

Was Babylon the Strongest Nation at the time? Was Babylon into many other religions? Was Babylon in accordance with God or Against God? Apply the same question to America.

 

[ParkBoyz]

Was Babylon the Strongest Nation at the time? Was Babylon into many other religions? Was Babylon in accordance with God or Against God? Apply the same question to America.

Yea, I guess that this can apply to America, but what exactly does it mean? America and all Americans will be judged, yet Iraq won't be? And having different religions can apply to anyone, it even says in your sig that God never said to have a religion, so that can apply to anyone with a religion right(since that's a "different" path than God advised? A lot of contradiction going on, that's why I stay confused. And how is the whole country of the USA against God? What, do they just mean the majority? God hates us the most? How is it broken down per capita and per square mile? What, there's like 500 people per square mile in America who are going to hell or every single person? Don't understand..

 

[2-0-NINE]

Yea, I guess that this can apply to America, but what exactly does it mean?

They have defiled ALL OF GOD's laws!

America and all Americans will be judged, yet Iraq won't be?

All will be judged.

And having different religions can apply to anyone, it even says in your sig that God never said to have a religion,

God did not create a divided/apostate religion, the religion which I put in my sig is a divided religion that divides the True Church of Christ, and are full of apostates.

so that can apply to anyone with a religion right(since that's a "different" path than God advised?

Yes

A lot of contradiction going on, that's why I stay confused.

If you really want to know the Truth, read the bible, meditate verses, and pray for Guidance. There's no contradiction, the New Testament is adjacent with the Old Testament, The Koran which came 600 years After Jesus. The Koran even has him in their books. How can Koran Contradict the bible, when alot of what's in the Koran is in the Torah 5600 years before Islam even began.

And how is the whole country of the USA against God?

Alot of Countries have forbidden, gay marriages, abortion, and other immoral acts, WHILE AMERICA HAS NOT. You can easily say well many Arabic Countries forbid distribution of the bible, but as a Christian it our duty to preach the Gospel to those who don't know Jesus. If America was truly founded for freedom of religion, but at the same time for God, why does America have the Lowest Morals.

What, do they just mean the majority?

The Government along with the people who choose to live accordingly.

God hates us the most?

I don't know cause I'm not him, but I wouldn't be surprised if he did.

How is it broken down per capita and per square mile? What, there's like 500 people per square mile in America who are going to hell or every single person? Don't understand..

The Whole Nation

 

[XxtraMannish]

You still don't get it and throwing me in the loop doesn't help your case. If you are going to say/imply that God tells people to do "A" you need to also explain the purpose for doing so. No one is asking you to sit here and pretend anything.

You were asking me to pretend to know what God's purposes may be. I wasnt trying to throw you in any type of loop, I was just explaining that I don't know any where near that much about God to even speulate on it.

And your belief that it could have been is derived from what?

Because we don't actually know for certain that it wasn't.

How does man writing it make it less valid? Are your words less valid because youw rite them? Great, now I can quit talking to you because you are a man and everything you write is invalid. In fact, I'll do one better, let us toss out EVERY BOOK or word EVER written because it was written by man! THAT is how YOUR logic works.

No, that is not how my logic works. I am not saying the validity of the book should be questioned. What I feel should be questioned is the validity of people's interpretation of that book. The Bible is just a book. Am I saying it is definitely not what people say it is? No. but on the other side of that same coin, maybe its just historical fiction. Maybe its bedtime stories designed to instill moral values into children.

Which is the reason WHY I typed it. If I already believe he doesn't exist, the ONLY thing that is going to change my mind IS an experience/encounter with the fat guy. Again, since I don't believe he exists, ANY info outside of personal experience is useless, and this is what you fail to see.

So are you saying that God will not talk to you if you don't believe God will talk to you?

Why wouldn't God respond? Is he incapable of responding? Do you have to meet a certain criteria for him to respond? Is he too far away to respond? Remember, this is something YOU believe, so I think it is best if you explained it.

You keep asking me to speculate on what God's intentions are. Why wouldn't God respond? I have no idea. I'm sure God is not incapable or too far away to respond. Why God wouldn't respond is beyond me. It seems that it would make sense for God to talk to everyone, that way everyone can know that God exists and stop questioning it altogether. I'm sure you've heard the phrase "God works in mysterious ways." Maybe we aren't supposed to understand why God does what God does.

I'm starting to think that you're saying that God speaks to you in some sort of figurative sense, for instance, you think to yourself, "God, there are no parking spaces anywhere!" then you turn the next corner and find a space, not that you have actually heard God's voice or something like that.

I notice you keep using the word "he" to reference God. I dont think God is some man-like figure in the sky somewhere. I believe in God in more of a Taoist sense.

But when you condemn her you are ruling out all possibilities.

In order to draw some type of conclusion regarding anything, you have to rule out possibilities, at least until it becomes apparent that one or more of the ruled out possibilities is in fact truth.

No, YOU are missing the point. You are already CONDITIONED to believe gravity and you have EXPERIENCED gravity. I have been conditioned to NOT believe in Santa and I have NO EXPERIENCE. Do you see the difference? No matter what you are going to experience gravity, and no matter how much you deny it the same thing is going to happen when you come down. EXPERIENCE.

I understand what you are saying, but if you know how to get God to talk to you, then wouldn't you be able to explain how? It would force me to change my perspective if it became apparent that God actually talks to people.

Experience, but since God does NOT talk to YOU, your belief is God does not talk to OTHERS.

Why should I believe that God talks to anyone? Anybody can say that God talks to them, that doesn't mean that God actually does. People who claim that God talks to them COULD be crazy or just major bullshitters.

Is somethign wrong with you? Either you are trying to be funny guy, you really haven't read a damn thing I've typed, or you simply can't comprehend much of anything.

No need for this bullshit here. I haven't disrespected you once.

Why would you believe God talks to people unless you have experienced it? Hmmmmm SOCIALIZATION? HMMMMMMM RELIGION? HMMMMMMM CULTURE and VALUES? Hmmmmmm SOMEONE ELSES EXPERIENCE?

Socialization means God talks to people? Man made religion means God talks to people? Culture and values means God talks to people? Someone else claiming to have experienced God talking to them means God actually has? Should I believe in alien abduction because someone CLAIMS to have experienced it? Should you believe in Santa because children across the world claim to have been brought gifts by him?

Do parents teach children VALID things without some type of support or evidence? A simple yes or no will suffice. No drawn out answer just a yes or no.

Yes.

 

[HERESY]

You were asking me to pretend to know what God's purposes may be.

No I wasn't. I was asking you to provide possibilities as to what the purposes may be. Asking you to provide possibilities does not imply that you pretend to know them.

I wasnt trying to throw you in any type of loop, I was just explaining that I don't know any where near that much about God to even speulate on it.

Yet you speculate when it comes to this lady and when it comes to God speaking with people. However, when I ask you to tie up your loose ends and give examples as to what the purpose of smoking crack is, I have to ask several times...

Because we don't actually know for certain that it wasn't.

Yet you are very critical of it, so I will ask you the question again. And your belief that it could have been is derived from what?

No, that is not how my logic works. I am not saying the validity of the book should be questioned.

Yes you are. If you were not you wouldn't have even mentioned the fact that it was written by men. You would have went straight into how people interpret it. If you are questioning the validity of the creator you must also question the validity of the product.

What I feel should be questioned is the validity of people's interpretation of that book.

SEE ABOVE.

The Bible is just a book.

Once again you are questioning the validity of it by reducing it to "just a book".

Am I saying it is definitely not what people say it is? No. but on the other side of that same coin, maybe its just historical fiction. Maybe its bedtime stories designed to instill moral values into children.

And what experiences lead YOU to believe this? Did your own quest for God, reading of various scriptures, etc lead you to believe this way, or did you yourself read a critique or interpretation written by a man and believe it?

So are you saying that God will not talk to you if you don't believe God will talk to you?

No, that is not what I am saying. I am saying there is no way your mind will be changed unless you have experienced a significant event. What I AM saying is it is USELESS for me to tell you anything about God talking to people or trying to prove it when you have already been conditioned to believe a certain way.

You keep asking me to speculate on what God's intentions are. Why wouldn't God respond? I have no idea. I'm sure God is not incapable or too far away to respond. Why God wouldn't respond is beyond me. It seems that it would make sense for God to talk to everyone, that way everyone can know that God exists and stop questioning it altogether. I'm sure you've heard the phrase "God works in mysterious ways." Maybe we aren't supposed to understand why God does what God does.

Listen, your claim/belief is GOD DOES NOT TALK TO PEOPLE. I am asking you to EXPLAIN this belief that YOU hold. If you say God does not talk to people you have to support your belief. I am not asking you to speculate on what Gods intentions are. I am asking you to provide a reason for WHY you believe the way you do.

I'm starting to think that you're saying that God speaks to you in some sort of figurative sense, for instance, you think to yourself, "God, there are no parking spaces anywhere!" then you turn the next corner and find a space, not that you have actually heard God's voice or something like that.

No, thats NOT what I am saying. What I am saying is I have experienced something that many people WANT to experience, but probably won't. What I am saying is I have experienced something that many people WILL experience sooner or later. And so you are not confused these are two seperate groups. What I am saying is God is a real being, this being has feelings, is not an impersonal force, and he has rules and regulations that govern his being.

I notice you keep using the word "he" to reference God. I dont think God is some man-like figure in the sky somewhere. I believe in God in more of a Taoist sense.

You are entitled to your belief. I believe man was created in the image of God, and I do not believe God to be an impersonal force or energy source with no thought, sentience and self awareness.

In order to draw some type of conclusion regarding anything, you have to rule out possibilities, at least until it becomes apparent that one or more of the ruled out possibilities is in fact truth

In order to properly rule out a possibility you have to know the possibility. You, and everyone else condemning this lady, ruled out logical possibilities without even addressing them. Some of you assumed this is religions fault, some of you assumed God is not talking to her, etc. Not once did any of you mention the fact that her behavior can be linked to something other than religion or God and that she is acting out for whatever reason. Because NONE of you looked at other possibilities I took on the advocate role and here we are.

I understand what you are saying, but if you know how to get God to talk to you, then wouldn't you be able to explain how?

Getting God to talk to you? Do you think there is some manual or instruction book? Some walkthrough or something? You sound like the people in the bible who wanted to BUY the power of the Holy Spirit.

If you seek God you will find God. If God seeks you God will find you. The day he knocks is the day YOU listen.

It would force me to change my perspective if it became apparent that God actually talks to people.

SEE ABOVE.

Why should I believe that God talks to anyone?

You are not required to do so, and I have not implied that you are. However, it would be more logical to take a neutral position, and this is what you are failing to do.

Anybody can say that God talks to them, that doesn't mean that God actually does. People who claim that God talks to them COULD be crazy or just major bullshitters.

And does it mean God actually DOESN'T? NO! But what do you do? You rule out the possibility and say God doesn't talk to people.

No need for this bullshit here. I haven't disrespected you once.

When I have to go over the same thing over and over and over, I start to believe one of several things. Either you really DON'T get it, you are trying to be funny, or you haven't read anything I typed. If you were offended, my apologies, but the more I have to repeat the same thing, and the more I have to ask the same questions, the less tolerent I will become, and I will start to question your motives and possibilities as to why things are taking a nose dive.

Socialization means God talks to people? Man made religion means God talks to people? Culture and values means God talks to people? Someone else claiming to have experienced God talking to them means God actually has? Should I believe in alien abduction because someone CLAIMS to have experienced it? Should you believe in Santa because children across the world claim to have been brought gifts by him?

Listen, you asked why would you believe it. I gave you many factors as to why you would believe something without experiencing it. Everything listed has contributed to people believing things that may or may not be true. All of the things listed above are the contributing factors when it comes to a persons belief system and values.

Yes.

So what does that do to your statement of:

It wouldn't be logical to believe something unless there is some type of evidence to support it.

 

[|GOD|||ZILLA|]

dam.. you guys still goin at this shit.. it's liek a fuken holy war between yall

 

[ParkBoyz]

^LMAO, you beat me to it. I like shit like this tho, it's healthy as long as they don't start name calling, etc..