Prime example of what religon does to people...
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Do you know something I don't? Were you not creating a possible scenario when you said what you said? Oh I get it now, by watching a couple of clips, you know this ladies background, her socialiaztion and what she had for dinner last night!
Did I not say, "Religion is the method she uses to convey her thoughts and feelings, but to imply that she is fueled by it or influenced by it is not something I am willing to agree with at this time."? She can claim to be Gods tool all she wants, but that does not make it true, nor does it mean she is influenced by God. The driving factor can be surpressed feelings, aggression etc, that happen to manifest in the form of religion.
No, religion is not the excuse, for if it were the slaves would not have adopted the religion and stood up for themselves after learning about the religion and the equality the religion speaks of. If the horrors commited against natives and afrikans were due to religious zealotry, or if religion is an excuse, why the economic gain? Wouldn't these people do it for zealous reasons and not for the financial stability?
No, the situations can be compared and contrasted in all sorts of ways.
And through it all he is still not supposed to be deprived of life and liberty. He was supposed to be tried in the cj system.
When you say he was asked repeatedly for ten minutes it comes off as if thats all that was going on. I don't know if thats the way intended it to come off, but you and I know thats not what happened. All he did was make one request? How many times did he make the request? Was it repeatedly?
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No, the POLICE decided his fate when they chose to fire their guns before the dog had even reached him. The POLICE decided his fate instead of using alternate methods to subdue him and allow the cj system to take its course. Were his actions, regardless of he was in his right mind, a contributing factor? Yes! Did he decide he should be shot? No, again, the people pulling the trigger decided.
Yet, no gun was found, and no gun was ever scene. Am I saying officers should take teh threat lightly? NO! Am I saying officers should use different methods if they are NOT sure if a weapon is present? YES, and MANY policies across the united states are clear on this and actually point out the instances you can discharge a weapon. In addition, officers are trained to shoot the largest area of mass and stop the threat. Do you need multiple officers with guns holding 16 rounds (or more) firing on a man that claims to have a gun with 13 rounds?
And these soldiers got what they deserved. They signed up to join teh criminal jr bush and his war on terror.
Anyway, what he DESERVED was a chance at life and to be processed through the courts. Again, explain to me how this si what he DESERVED, because I see you (and several others) constantly saying it, but you guys never provide insight as to why your claim is true.
And if the police cared about his life, the girls life or the childs, they would have tried to end the situation by using other means. If the police cared about the law and upholding it (which one officer apparently did) other means would have been implemented.
It doesn't matter if there was nothing he could do if he was allowed to talk to her. The point is allowing them to talk could have saved his life and saved the city from a wrongful death suit.
It would do something for the police (SEE ABOVE). It would build better relations between the community and the police, but instead, it now makes the police out to be blood thirsty killers who are deceptive and won't use other means to end tense situations.
I never said that you DID call him a criminal. Please, read what you are replying before you actually reply to it.
A pass on what? Go back and read what I quoted, read my response to that, and come up with a new question.
And you should realize that some people have issues that may prevent them from following the demands of law enforcement. Do you see how that works? I am not justifying the man NOT putting his gun down, but you and others do need to realize that people have issues from following orders or commands that a reasonable/sane person would. However, you failed to answer the question. How is it disrespectful to do what she did?
The same can be said for the guy who was shot by the police, and proof of that is in the fact that his aunt is now an anti-violence advocate that speaks out against crime.
In some funerals this is the case. In others it is a time to reflect on injustices that may have led to some one being shot at over 80 times.
Again, HOW is it disrespectful? You need to explain this if you believe it.
How?
Why should it be embarassing for the 100+ people who same the share religious beliefs as this woman?
Why would I be mad?
Do you realize I went from one end of the spectrum to play devils advocate?
You can tell me how you see it all day long, but my job, if I don't agree with it is to try to sink it, or to simply leave it alone. I chose to sink it, but so far you are doing that job for me. So, with that being said, no one is being butthurt little boy, but the advice remains. Pick up a book on ethics and read it because you're being very hypocritical right now.
Did I not say, "Religion is the method she uses to convey her thoughts and feelings, but to imply that she is fueled by it or influenced by it is not something I am willing to agree with at this time."? She can claim to be Gods tool all she wants, but that does not make it true, nor does it mean she is influenced by God. The driving factor can be surpressed feelings, aggression etc, that happen to manifest in the form of religion.
No, religion is not the excuse, for if it were the slaves would not have adopted the religion and stood up for themselves after learning about the religion and the equality the religion speaks of. If the horrors commited against natives and afrikans were due to religious zealotry, or if religion is an excuse, why the economic gain? Wouldn't these people do it for zealous reasons and not for the financial stability?
No, the situations can be compared and contrasted in all sorts of ways.
And through it all he is still not supposed to be deprived of life and liberty. He was supposed to be tried in the cj system.
When you say he was asked repeatedly for ten minutes it comes off as if thats all that was going on. I don't know if thats the way intended it to come off, but you and I know thats not what happened. All he did was make one request? How many times did he make the request? Was it repeatedly?
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No, the POLICE decided his fate when they chose to fire their guns before the dog had even reached him. The POLICE decided his fate instead of using alternate methods to subdue him and allow the cj system to take its course. Were his actions, regardless of he was in his right mind, a contributing factor? Yes! Did he decide he should be shot? No, again, the people pulling the trigger decided.
Yet, no gun was found, and no gun was ever scene. Am I saying officers should take teh threat lightly? NO! Am I saying officers should use different methods if they are NOT sure if a weapon is present? YES, and MANY policies across the united states are clear on this and actually point out the instances you can discharge a weapon. In addition, officers are trained to shoot the largest area of mass and stop the threat. Do you need multiple officers with guns holding 16 rounds (or more) firing on a man that claims to have a gun with 13 rounds?
And these soldiers got what they deserved. They signed up to join teh criminal jr bush and his war on terror.
Anyway, what he DESERVED was a chance at life and to be processed through the courts. Again, explain to me how this si what he DESERVED, because I see you (and several others) constantly saying it, but you guys never provide insight as to why your claim is true.
And if the police cared about his life, the girls life or the childs, they would have tried to end the situation by using other means. If the police cared about the law and upholding it (which one officer apparently did) other means would have been implemented.
It doesn't matter if there was nothing he could do if he was allowed to talk to her. The point is allowing them to talk could have saved his life and saved the city from a wrongful death suit.
It would do something for the police (SEE ABOVE). It would build better relations between the community and the police, but instead, it now makes the police out to be blood thirsty killers who are deceptive and won't use other means to end tense situations.
I never said that you DID call him a criminal. Please, read what you are replying before you actually reply to it.
A pass on what? Go back and read what I quoted, read my response to that, and come up with a new question.
And you should realize that some people have issues that may prevent them from following the demands of law enforcement. Do you see how that works? I am not justifying the man NOT putting his gun down, but you and others do need to realize that people have issues from following orders or commands that a reasonable/sane person would. However, you failed to answer the question. How is it disrespectful to do what she did?
The same can be said for the guy who was shot by the police, and proof of that is in the fact that his aunt is now an anti-violence advocate that speaks out against crime.
In some funerals this is the case. In others it is a time to reflect on injustices that may have led to some one being shot at over 80 times.
Again, HOW is it disrespectful? You need to explain this if you believe it.
How?
Why should it be embarassing for the 100+ people who same the share religious beliefs as this woman?
Why would I be mad?
Do you realize I went from one end of the spectrum to play devils advocate?
You can tell me how you see it all day long, but my job, if I don't agree with it is to try to sink it, or to simply leave it alone. I chose to sink it, but so far you are doing that job for me. So, with that being said, no one is being butthurt little boy, but the advice remains. Pick up a book on ethics and read it because you're being very hypocritical right now.
Come on man, how would you feel if somebody was protesting at a loved one's funeral saying "THANK GOD HE/SHE IS DEAD?" If you wanna protest the war, then fine, but dont ruin someone's funeral like that. You might as well just go piss in the casket. If somebody did that at one of my loved one's funerals, theirs would be next.
I'm Glad Hitler's Dead. See where I'm getting at.
So the Soldiers aren't ruining the funerals of dead civilians?
Even though this wasn't directed towards I only replied to the ones that got me the most. Seriously though bro, what's the difference between what you said and the soldiers who make home made videos mocking poor Iraqi Children, and sniping iraqi soldiers?
So the Soldiers aren't ruining the funerals of dead civilians?
Even though this wasn't directed towards I only replied to the ones that got me the most. Seriously though bro, what's the difference between what you said and the soldiers who make home made videos mocking poor Iraqi Children, and sniping iraqi soldiers?
First of all, you should read the responses I made BEFORE I said what you quoted. I am playing devils advocate, and have already said I don't agree with the tactics. However, since i am playing devils advocate I'll answer your question.
How would I feel if she did that at my loved ones funeral? I would probably be upset at first, but then I would think on what my loved one would do, and most likely I'd invite the person in or try to make some connection with them. Would I harm them, or go tit for tat with the them? No.
They are within their constituional right to protest, but these rights are being violated by the states.
http://www.firstamendmentcenter.org/analysis.aspx?id=16775
That would be violating the law.
And you would most likely face a long prison sentence.
How would I feel if she did that at my loved ones funeral? I would probably be upset at first, but then I would think on what my loved one would do, and most likely I'd invite the person in or try to make some connection with them. Would I harm them, or go tit for tat with the them? No.
They are within their constituional right to protest, but these rights are being violated by the states.
http://www.firstamendmentcenter.org/analysis.aspx?id=16775
That would be violating the law.
And you would most likely face a long prison sentence.
I couldnt tell you what the soldiers are doing at funerals. And I know a lot of them are out there doing shit they shouldnt be doing, and I in no way support that. I dont even support the war. The point is the funeral aint about whoever died, its about their families. A lot of these soldiers are just poor people who wanted to support their families, not lunatics who are out their to rape and murder.
I dont eveb get the correlation you're making here. All I said was that bitch has no right to be fuckin off people's funerals.
I dont eveb get the correlation you're making here. All I said was that bitch has no right to be fuckin off people's funerals.
What are they protesting? Maybe its just my own ignorance, but I dont see why they would be doing these things at funerals. They may be within their rights to protest, but if they had an ounce of common decency, they would do that shit somewhere besides people's funerals wheremourning families are trying to pay respect to and reflect upon the lives of their loved ones.
The war, americas rejection of God, etc.
I see why they would do it at a funeral. One reason could be they are trying to make a really strong statement. The other reason could be they are gone in the head.
Respect the dead or respect God? Which do you feel is the proper course of action for these people?
I see why they would do it at a funeral. One reason could be they are trying to make a really strong statement. The other reason could be they are gone in the head.
Respect the dead or respect God? Which do you feel is the proper course of action for these people?
And is this an effective way to protest? Sure she's getting a little attention, but I think she's doing more harm to her own cause than good by protesting in this fashion. I think she's making more people hate her than she is getting through to.
And how has America rejected God? I dont know the official stats, but last time I saw, it was something like 95% of Americans believe in God. Just because America may not generally adhere to Chisitian dogma does not mean America has rejected God.
You can respect God without making a scene at a funeral. Is it not possible to respect mourning families and God at the same time? There are plenty of places other than funeras to protest. I dont know what the proper course of action for these people is, since I don't know what their actual motives are. If their intention is to simply piss people off and get some attention then I guess this is their proper course of action. If she wants to get through to people and make people who dont see the world as she does see the world as she does, then this is not the proper course of action.
And how has America rejected God? I dont know the official stats, but last time I saw, it was something like 95% of Americans believe in God. Just because America may not generally adhere to Chisitian dogma does not mean America has rejected God.
You can respect God without making a scene at a funeral. Is it not possible to respect mourning families and God at the same time? There are plenty of places other than funeras to protest. I dont know what the proper course of action for these people is, since I don't know what their actual motives are. If their intention is to simply piss people off and get some attention then I guess this is their proper course of action. If she wants to get through to people and make people who dont see the world as she does see the world as she does, then this is not the proper course of action.
It depends on what her goals are.
It depends on what her goals are. She may want the kind of attention she is getting.
Again, it goes back to what her goals are. Her goal might not be to convert ANYONE. Her goal might be to simply warn people and tell about divine punishment.
How has america rejected God? Well, look at the racism going on in america. If america did not reject God why is racism swept under teh rug? If america has not rejected God why do the preachers continue to accept hush money from the government? If america has not rejected god why the high incarceration rates? Why the high drug abuse? Why so many abortions?
No one said you couldn't but those are her methods, and who knows, maybe God told her to do it.
Sure are, but protesting at a funeral says a lot of things. Protesting at a funeral is a very bold statement.
And since you don't know their motives you can't really say if she is doing more harm than good.
This could be, and if this were their intention, they could also do it at hospitals and weddings.
This is a matter of opinion. If her goal is to make people see things through her lense, and she makes ONE PERSON see things her way, she has done the proper course of action.
So, how DO we define what the proper course of action is?
It depends on what her goals are. She may want the kind of attention she is getting.
Again, it goes back to what her goals are. Her goal might not be to convert ANYONE. Her goal might be to simply warn people and tell about divine punishment.
How has america rejected God? Well, look at the racism going on in america. If america did not reject God why is racism swept under teh rug? If america has not rejected God why do the preachers continue to accept hush money from the government? If america has not rejected god why the high incarceration rates? Why the high drug abuse? Why so many abortions?
No one said you couldn't but those are her methods, and who knows, maybe God told her to do it.
Sure are, but protesting at a funeral says a lot of things. Protesting at a funeral is a very bold statement.
And since you don't know their motives you can't really say if she is doing more harm than good.
This could be, and if this were their intention, they could also do it at hospitals and weddings.
This is a matter of opinion. If her goal is to make people see things through her lense, and she makes ONE PERSON see things her way, she has done the proper course of action.
So, how DO we define what the proper course of action is?
God told all the people to do what? Have abortions and smoke crack?
Serial killers and murderers also have mental issues and studies show most have not been properly socialized. What point are you trying to prove?
And since neither of us know her true intentions why are some of you (you included) so critical of what she is doing?
Serial killers and murderers also have mental issues and studies show most have not been properly socialized. What point are you trying to prove?
And since neither of us know her true intentions why are some of you (you included) so critical of what she is doing?
What would be the purpose of God telling someone to have an abortion or smoke crack?
Often times these people recant their stories and claims altogether. In other cases severe mental problems have contributed to their claims. Again, what would be the purpose of God telling them to do it?
But that does not make it wrong. It makes it wrong for YOU and for those who view the situation in the same manner.
If her intentions are ethical how can you imply she is morally wrong? Also, the fact that her intentions have no bearing on your viewing shows you are not capable of looking at this manner from a different perspective, and it also shows you are quick to judge a book by its cover.
Often times these people recant their stories and claims altogether. In other cases severe mental problems have contributed to their claims. Again, what would be the purpose of God telling them to do it?
But that does not make it wrong. It makes it wrong for YOU and for those who view the situation in the same manner.
If her intentions are ethical how can you imply she is morally wrong? Also, the fact that her intentions have no bearing on your viewing shows you are not capable of looking at this manner from a different perspective, and it also shows you are quick to judge a book by its cover.