PATRICK WILLIS...
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do I know how to compute a QB rating? no... but that's not really relevant at all... I could probably google it, but it wouldn't make a difference
that's the standard rating the NFL uses to determine how good a QB is... Campbell's rating is higher than Smith's, therefore he's better
you could always make an argument that this QB has better receivers, or that QB has a better O-line.... this QB has a better O-coordinator, etc, etc... so you could always try to make an argument that one QB is better than another... but at the end of the day a QB rating is taking numbers into account, and numbers don't lie
I'd be willing to bet that most unbiased fans, and most people around the league and in the media would consider Campbell to be a better QB than Smith
I'm not saying Campbell is light years ahead of Alex Smith... he is only slightly better, and he is mediocre in my opinion... I'm willing to admit that
the reason Raiders fans are excited about Campbell is that he is light years ahead of Russell... and it's going to improve out offense drastically... I don't think he's gonna be a Pro Bowl QB and boost us to top offense in the league... but he could boost us up to a mediocre offense...
we won 5 games with with the worst passing game in the entire NFL... we should be able to win at least a few more with a mediocre passing game (not to mention our defense has potential to be a lot better)
that's the standard rating the NFL uses to determine how good a QB is... Campbell's rating is higher than Smith's, therefore he's better
you could always make an argument that this QB has better receivers, or that QB has a better O-line.... this QB has a better O-coordinator, etc, etc... so you could always try to make an argument that one QB is better than another... but at the end of the day a QB rating is taking numbers into account, and numbers don't lie
I'd be willing to bet that most unbiased fans, and most people around the league and in the media would consider Campbell to be a better QB than Smith
I'm not saying Campbell is light years ahead of Alex Smith... he is only slightly better, and he is mediocre in my opinion... I'm willing to admit that
the reason Raiders fans are excited about Campbell is that he is light years ahead of Russell... and it's going to improve out offense drastically... I don't think he's gonna be a Pro Bowl QB and boost us to top offense in the league... but he could boost us up to a mediocre offense...
we won 5 games with with the worst passing game in the entire NFL... we should be able to win at least a few more with a mediocre passing game (not to mention our defense has potential to be a lot better)
okay, I get what you're saying... you have a point, but at the same time I could flip that on you and say our passing game was so horrible with Russell and defenses focused more on running game, which hurt Bush
so you could argue that he should have even better stats than he actually had
and I seriously think Bush has potential to be a very good back, and go over 1000 yards easily if he's given enough touches... if you just watch him play he's a beast, and I'm not just being biased... I'll say McFadden hasn't impressed me much at all... I honestly don't think he can be a really good RB unless he's able to get on the outside
but teams are gonna have to show more respect to our passing game, which will open up the run
I'm not saying Bush is better than Portis... because Portis has put up big numbers in his career... all I'm saying is the Raiders had a better running game than the Redskins last year
besides, if Portis only played 8 games last season... how can you argue the Redskins had a better run game if their best back wasn't even on the field half the season? that means half the season Campbell was playing with 2nd and 3rd string RBs on the field with him
so you could argue that he should have even better stats than he actually had
and I seriously think Bush has potential to be a very good back, and go over 1000 yards easily if he's given enough touches... if you just watch him play he's a beast, and I'm not just being biased... I'll say McFadden hasn't impressed me much at all... I honestly don't think he can be a really good RB unless he's able to get on the outside
but teams are gonna have to show more respect to our passing game, which will open up the run
I'm not saying Bush is better than Portis... because Portis has put up big numbers in his career... all I'm saying is the Raiders had a better running game than the Redskins last year
besides, if Portis only played 8 games last season... how can you argue the Redskins had a better run game if their best back wasn't even on the field half the season? that means half the season Campbell was playing with 2nd and 3rd string RBs on the field with him
Then Kurt Warner is the best QB of all time... followed by Steve Young
I'm not arguing that Alex Smith is better than Jason Campbell.. I have always thought Jason Campbell was a decent QB and as a niner fan trust me I have been disappointed with Smith at times (most the time). Smith has shown improvement and to me, past stats don't mean shit, it's all about this upcoming season. So this whole topic can be brought back up during the season, especially after the 9ers/Raider game, until then I ain't got nothing left to say........ except 49ers NFC WEST CHAMPS
I'm not arguing that Alex Smith is better than Jason Campbell.. I have always thought Jason Campbell was a decent QB and as a niner fan trust me I have been disappointed with Smith at times (most the time). Smith has shown improvement and to me, past stats don't mean shit, it's all about this upcoming season. So this whole topic can be brought back up during the season, especially after the 9ers/Raider game, until then I ain't got nothing left to say........ except 49ers NFC WEST CHAMPS
I will agree with this, but for many reasons, none of them having to do with Campbell actually being better than Smith.
Most people will take into account their entire careers, even though Smith has gone through many obstacles to get where he was last season. Jason Campbell has been mediocre for his entire career, while Alex Smith just rose to mediocrity last season - which, coincidentally, is the only season that matters right now. Also, the 49ers have been in the NFL doghouse since before Alex Smith was drafted, and they haven't been in the spotlight since. You never really hear about Smith, good or bad, while Campbell was playing for the Washington Redskins, whom media outlets like ESPN love to cover due to their east coast bias. What I'm saying is Campbell has had a better career and more people know about it, while Smith's struggles are all they've heard about. The media is just now beginning to cover his emergence as a decent QB.
Career-wise, Campbell has been better than Smith. Last year, the only year that counts until the 2010 season begins, they were about the same in terms of output.
Like I said, I wouldn't take Campbell over Smith, and I'm not much of a Smith fan at all. I also don't expect Campbell to be quite as good as he was in Washington due to his surrounding cast with Oakland. Who's he going to throw to? You can argue that your receivers looked awful because of JaMarcus Russell being as bad as he is, but one could also argue that his receivers didn't help him much (and I believe I recall the latter argument being made last season before everyone finally turned on Russell).
I'm not trying to say he'll suck, but I am saying you guys are probably putting a little too much confidence in him based on what he did in Washington with a better overall offense with more weapons than he'll have with you guys.
That's just my opinion, though.
Most people will take into account their entire careers, even though Smith has gone through many obstacles to get where he was last season. Jason Campbell has been mediocre for his entire career, while Alex Smith just rose to mediocrity last season - which, coincidentally, is the only season that matters right now. Also, the 49ers have been in the NFL doghouse since before Alex Smith was drafted, and they haven't been in the spotlight since. You never really hear about Smith, good or bad, while Campbell was playing for the Washington Redskins, whom media outlets like ESPN love to cover due to their east coast bias. What I'm saying is Campbell has had a better career and more people know about it, while Smith's struggles are all they've heard about. The media is just now beginning to cover his emergence as a decent QB.
Career-wise, Campbell has been better than Smith. Last year, the only year that counts until the 2010 season begins, they were about the same in terms of output.
Like I said, I wouldn't take Campbell over Smith, and I'm not much of a Smith fan at all. I also don't expect Campbell to be quite as good as he was in Washington due to his surrounding cast with Oakland. Who's he going to throw to? You can argue that your receivers looked awful because of JaMarcus Russell being as bad as he is, but one could also argue that his receivers didn't help him much (and I believe I recall the latter argument being made last season before everyone finally turned on Russell).
I'm not trying to say he'll suck, but I am saying you guys are probably putting a little too much confidence in him based on what he did in Washington with a better overall offense with more weapons than he'll have with you guys.
That's just my opinion, though.
I beg to differ. The stats are in my favor and most football people would agree Campbell is better than Smith. Campbell started mediocre but has improved every year to atleast be an average QB, a step above Smith.
Really, he didn't have shit to work with in Washington. I think he upgraded coming here.
Campbell has improved every year he has been in the league. I expect him to put up similiar numbers to last year, if not a little better. We have weapons and am sure Hue Jackson and company will have that on display for you shortly. A mediocre QB is one that shows promise only to take a step backwards. Now Smith has showed a little promise, AGAIN. Last time he regressed instead on progressed. So if history repeats itself, D. Carr will be your starter by week 8.
Really, he didn't have shit to work with in Washington. I think he upgraded coming here.
Campbell has improved every year he has been in the league. I expect him to put up similiar numbers to last year, if not a little better. We have weapons and am sure Hue Jackson and company will have that on display for you shortly. A mediocre QB is one that shows promise only to take a step backwards. Now Smith has showed a little promise, AGAIN. Last time he regressed instead on progressed. So if history repeats itself, D. Carr will be your starter by week 8.
Patrick Willis is setting the standard for greatness. I dont care much for the niners but I do give props where props is due and Id like to see him win a Defensive Player of the Year award.
Hes one of those players that you could admire watching him when niners are on defense. The guy is simply all over the place....
Hes one of those players that you could admire watching him when niners are on defense. The guy is simply all over the place....
Most football people also agree that the raiders will only be a slightly improved team. The talk about your boys is of good nature, but NOBODY is saying they will be a turnaround team and nobody in their right mind is saying they'll go from 7 straight double-digit losing seasons to a double-digit winning season this year. I know how you like to discredit these "football people," but if you want to use them in your argument for Campbell, you're gonna have to accept their opinions on other things as well. There's a reason they aren't buzzing about the Oakland raiders.
And you're saying Campbell started mediocre and improved to average? They're almost the exact same thing. He started out below average and improved to average, LAST YEAR. Also, he's improved with the WASHINGTON REDSKINS. Redskins >>>>> raiders.
Look what happened when Jeff Garcia left SF for Cleveland and Detroit, where he had little to work with. He sucked ass until he went to Philly, where he had adequate pieces on offense. Campbell may very well be Jeff Garcia in Cleveland.
So, having a shitty pass-protecting O-Line and receivers who can't catch footballs that are thrown into their chest is an upgrade?
I won't bother any further with this one.
LMAO
Yeah, with the Redskins, where he had more to work with. Like it or not.
Of course you do. He plays for your team now. You probably also expected JaMarcus Russell to be a good QB at first, and DHB to be able to catch a pass that hits him in the numbers, but as you found out, your expectations as a raider fan are rarely met.
Weapons? Like who? DHB? Murphy? Let me know when they learn how to catch the football. Who else? Overrated McFadden? Michael Bush is the only real weapon on your entire offense, and he's strictly a runner.
Don't start making up your own definitions for words.
If history repeats itself, your team will lose another 10+ games.
Last time Smith showed promise he regressed, huh? Don't speak on what you don't know. Alex Smith showed progress in 2006, then got hurt in 2007 after putting up a 2-1 record. Nolan threw him back in for 3 games with an injury that they later found out needed surgery to fix, meaning he shouldn't have been playing. The next time he actually came back to play was last year, a season in which he outdid his 2006 performance. Where's the regression?
You're basing your judgment on stats alone. I thought you didn't like to do that?
When Smith shows progress, he makes leaps.There are many, many reasons Smith hasn't lived up to his potential. All you have to do is read up on the guy and you'll figure it out, so I won't bother to get into it. Campbell, on the other hand, has likely hit his peak. He had more than enough in Washington to become a GOOD QB. He failed to do that. Why do you think the Redskins opted for an 87-year-old Donavon McNabb instead of sticking with their guy?
And you're saying Campbell started mediocre and improved to average? They're almost the exact same thing. He started out below average and improved to average, LAST YEAR. Also, he's improved with the WASHINGTON REDSKINS. Redskins >>>>> raiders.
Look what happened when Jeff Garcia left SF for Cleveland and Detroit, where he had little to work with. He sucked ass until he went to Philly, where he had adequate pieces on offense. Campbell may very well be Jeff Garcia in Cleveland.
So, having a shitty pass-protecting O-Line and receivers who can't catch footballs that are thrown into their chest is an upgrade?
I won't bother any further with this one.
LMAO
Yeah, with the Redskins, where he had more to work with. Like it or not.
Of course you do. He plays for your team now. You probably also expected JaMarcus Russell to be a good QB at first, and DHB to be able to catch a pass that hits him in the numbers, but as you found out, your expectations as a raider fan are rarely met.
Weapons? Like who? DHB? Murphy? Let me know when they learn how to catch the football. Who else? Overrated McFadden? Michael Bush is the only real weapon on your entire offense, and he's strictly a runner.
Don't start making up your own definitions for words.
If history repeats itself, your team will lose another 10+ games.
Last time Smith showed promise he regressed, huh? Don't speak on what you don't know. Alex Smith showed progress in 2006, then got hurt in 2007 after putting up a 2-1 record. Nolan threw him back in for 3 games with an injury that they later found out needed surgery to fix, meaning he shouldn't have been playing. The next time he actually came back to play was last year, a season in which he outdid his 2006 performance. Where's the regression?
You're basing your judgment on stats alone. I thought you didn't like to do that?
When Smith shows progress, he makes leaps.There are many, many reasons Smith hasn't lived up to his potential. All you have to do is read up on the guy and you'll figure it out, so I won't bother to get into it. Campbell, on the other hand, has likely hit his peak. He had more than enough in Washington to become a GOOD QB. He failed to do that. Why do you think the Redskins opted for an 87-year-old Donavon McNabb instead of sticking with their guy?
Who says the Raiders will only be slightly improved? What stations do you watch?
Yes. Smith is mediocre. Campbell has done nothing but improve under similiar circumstances.(OC's) Raiders>Redskins
Your just biased.
O- line is questionable. Hopefully we are healthy on October 17th so we can abuse your secondary.
That is a matter of opinion.
Coming from a niner fan, that is too funny! LMAO!
Yep! Watch like the rest of the world this year.
We are way overdue.
Is that how you saw it?LOL
Yes. Smith is mediocre. Campbell has done nothing but improve under similiar circumstances.(OC's) Raiders>Redskins
Your just biased.
O- line is questionable. Hopefully we are healthy on October 17th so we can abuse your secondary.
That is a matter of opinion.
Coming from a niner fan, that is too funny! LMAO!
Yep! Watch like the rest of the world this year.
We are way overdue.
Is that how you saw it?LOL
I'm gonna have to disagree
most "football people" that I've seen and heard predict the Raiders to be more than slightly improved... well technically I guess I've seen a lot of people say the team has potential to be more than slightly improved, which I agree with (for the record my season prediction is 8-8... give or take... as low as 6-10, as high 10-6)
I've heard a number of "football people" say we have a shot to compete for the division this season... including Chris Mortensen, apparently... I haven't seen or heard where he said that, but another Raiders fan on here mentioned that he said we have a good shot at the playoffs (if you don't know Mortensen and the Raiders do not get along real well)
I still think SD will win the division... but we will be competitive
also, most "football people" I've heard have pretty high expectations for Campbell, contrary to what you believe... for example: today on NFL Live they were talking about the Raiders, and they had nothing but good things to say about the team, and even said they think Campbell will have his best season he's ever had... based on the fact that he's improved every season...
another things is they mentioned was that our WRs are extremely underrated, don't get enough respect, and should have a breakout year
you do realize that Campbell has had something like 8 or 9 offensive coordinators since college, right? he hasn't had a chance to get comfortable in a system (similar to Alex Smith) so you can't say he's hit his peak
how can you make excuses for Smith, but not for Campbell? come on now Fatal... I know Smith had the injuries as well, but they've gone through similar things in learning new offensive systems every year
most "football people" that I've seen and heard predict the Raiders to be more than slightly improved... well technically I guess I've seen a lot of people say the team has potential to be more than slightly improved, which I agree with (for the record my season prediction is 8-8... give or take... as low as 6-10, as high 10-6)
I've heard a number of "football people" say we have a shot to compete for the division this season... including Chris Mortensen, apparently... I haven't seen or heard where he said that, but another Raiders fan on here mentioned that he said we have a good shot at the playoffs (if you don't know Mortensen and the Raiders do not get along real well)
I still think SD will win the division... but we will be competitive
also, most "football people" I've heard have pretty high expectations for Campbell, contrary to what you believe... for example: today on NFL Live they were talking about the Raiders, and they had nothing but good things to say about the team, and even said they think Campbell will have his best season he's ever had... based on the fact that he's improved every season...
another things is they mentioned was that our WRs are extremely underrated, don't get enough respect, and should have a breakout year
you do realize that Campbell has had something like 8 or 9 offensive coordinators since college, right? he hasn't had a chance to get comfortable in a system (similar to Alex Smith) so you can't say he's hit his peak
how can you make excuses for Smith, but not for Campbell? come on now Fatal... I know Smith had the injuries as well, but they've gone through similar things in learning new offensive systems every year
LOL, I don't watch much of any station, actually. I read a lot, however.
Under similar circumstances as who? Alex Smith? The only thing similar is different OCs. Smith has consistently been placed behind a bottom 5 offensive line EVERY SINGLE TIME HE'S EVER TAKEN A SNAP. Campbell hasn't. Smith was thrown to the wolves right out of the gate. Campbell wasn't. Smith got injured and was forced to play with that injury before doctors finally said he needed surgery, which then led to him missing the rest of the season and the entire season the next year. Did something like that happen to Campbell? I'd like you to name one receiver that Alex Smith had to work with that could even be considered mediocre besides Antonio Bryant in 2006 until he finally got some talent last season. Did Campbell have the most incompetent coach in NFL history coaching him? Did he have any OC as clueless as Hostler? NOPE.
Similar circumstances my ass. He's always had a better surrounding cast until last season, and Smith hasn't even had enough playing time to even know where he's at in his development. However, he was just as good as Campbell last year, in his only healthy attempt at playing since 2006.
So are you. Everyone here is.
Which of your receivers will do the abusing? Do you guys even have one that can CATCH?
I'll be waiting for that ball to smack DHB in the chest, bounce off and land in the hands of Dashon Goldson. Deja vu.
How so? My expectations of both my team AND your team have been pretty accurate in seasons past. Nobody here can deny that. I don't set myself up for disappointment every year like you guys do. If I did, I'd be saying the Niners are going at least 12-4 with an appearance in the NFC championship game - which is as probable as the raiders going 10-6, neither of which will happen this year.
And we are way overdue to win a Super Bowl. Does that mean we will win the Super Bowl and you guys will snap your double-digit losing streak? Doubtful.
Yeah that's how I saw it, because that's exactly what happened!
Under similar circumstances as who? Alex Smith? The only thing similar is different OCs. Smith has consistently been placed behind a bottom 5 offensive line EVERY SINGLE TIME HE'S EVER TAKEN A SNAP. Campbell hasn't. Smith was thrown to the wolves right out of the gate. Campbell wasn't. Smith got injured and was forced to play with that injury before doctors finally said he needed surgery, which then led to him missing the rest of the season and the entire season the next year. Did something like that happen to Campbell? I'd like you to name one receiver that Alex Smith had to work with that could even be considered mediocre besides Antonio Bryant in 2006 until he finally got some talent last season. Did Campbell have the most incompetent coach in NFL history coaching him? Did he have any OC as clueless as Hostler? NOPE.
Similar circumstances my ass. He's always had a better surrounding cast until last season, and Smith hasn't even had enough playing time to even know where he's at in his development. However, he was just as good as Campbell last year, in his only healthy attempt at playing since 2006.
So are you. Everyone here is.
Which of your receivers will do the abusing? Do you guys even have one that can CATCH?
I'll be waiting for that ball to smack DHB in the chest, bounce off and land in the hands of Dashon Goldson. Deja vu.
How so? My expectations of both my team AND your team have been pretty accurate in seasons past. Nobody here can deny that. I don't set myself up for disappointment every year like you guys do. If I did, I'd be saying the Niners are going at least 12-4 with an appearance in the NFC championship game - which is as probable as the raiders going 10-6, neither of which will happen this year.
And we are way overdue to win a Super Bowl. Does that mean we will win the Super Bowl and you guys will snap your double-digit losing streak? Doubtful.
Yeah that's how I saw it, because that's exactly what happened!
As low as 6-10 is more than slightly improved?
I've read accounts of the raiders being potentially an improved team, but never heard or read anyone implying they will be a dramatically improved team. Maybe "slightly" isn't the word I wanted to use. I think they'll improve more than slightly, but not enough to make them a contender in the division. They wind up 3rd in the AFC West, behind SD and Denver, with 6-7 wins, in my opinion.
I've yet to read or hear anyone say anything about the raiders having a shot at their division.
I didn't say anything about "football people" having high or low expectations for Campbell. I said nobody is buzzing about your team, even with Campbell. They may talk up your team, but the same people talking them up have them ranked in the mid 20s in their power rankings.
There's a reason for that, bro.
We've both seen your receivers. I won't bother.
If I'm not mistaken (and I might be), Jason Campbell has been running the West Coast offense his entire career. Different OC, same system, just different terminology.
What system do you guys run again?
Look at my response to radiostationrep as it pertains to the "similarities" between these two QBs.
I've read accounts of the raiders being potentially an improved team, but never heard or read anyone implying they will be a dramatically improved team. Maybe "slightly" isn't the word I wanted to use. I think they'll improve more than slightly, but not enough to make them a contender in the division. They wind up 3rd in the AFC West, behind SD and Denver, with 6-7 wins, in my opinion.
I've yet to read or hear anyone say anything about the raiders having a shot at their division.
I didn't say anything about "football people" having high or low expectations for Campbell. I said nobody is buzzing about your team, even with Campbell. They may talk up your team, but the same people talking them up have them ranked in the mid 20s in their power rankings.
There's a reason for that, bro.
We've both seen your receivers. I won't bother.
If I'm not mistaken (and I might be), Jason Campbell has been running the West Coast offense his entire career. Different OC, same system, just different terminology.
What system do you guys run again?
Look at my response to radiostationrep as it pertains to the "similarities" between these two QBs.
I'm saying as LOW as 6-10... and as HIGH as 10-6
6-10 being the absolute worst I think we will do... if we could get 8-10 wins I'd consider it more than a slight improvement
and if you haven't heard anyone say we can compete for the division... I dunno what to tell you... I've heard it with my own ears and read it with own my own eyes... you can choose not to believe me if you want... whatever (to give you a specific example: today on NFL Live Tedy Bruschi said the Raiders have a chance to be a contender in the AFC West, I've heard it in other places, but that's some proof for you)
you keep saying Campbell is going to regress with the Raiders, I'm saying a lot of people feel he will continue to progress as he has in past years... which goes against one of the main arguments you've been making about my team
as far as our receivers go... they should improve from last year... hopefully we'll have a healthy Schilens, we didn't have it hardly at all last season, and when we did he was far from 100%... DHB has gotten very high praises so far in OTAs and training camp, I know he has to prove it on the field... but remember, he did terrible in OTAs and training camp last year... (he was dropping a lot of balls) and reports tell us that he hasn't had nearly as many drops as he did last year
as far as what kind of system Campbell has been in throughout his career, I honestly don't know... but I can tell you I've heard over and over and over again form EVERYBODY that Campbell hasn't gotten a fair shot because he's always had to learn new offenses and had so many different OCs throughout his career... for whatever that's worth...
and I really don't think they'll end up behind Denver... Denver lost it's best offensive player (Marshall) and will possibly lose it's best defensive player for the season (Dumerville) and they've had other injuries as well... I think KC and Oakland will battle it out for the number 2 spot... with Denver at the bottom
6-10 being the absolute worst I think we will do... if we could get 8-10 wins I'd consider it more than a slight improvement
and if you haven't heard anyone say we can compete for the division... I dunno what to tell you... I've heard it with my own ears and read it with own my own eyes... you can choose not to believe me if you want... whatever (to give you a specific example: today on NFL Live Tedy Bruschi said the Raiders have a chance to be a contender in the AFC West, I've heard it in other places, but that's some proof for you)
you keep saying Campbell is going to regress with the Raiders, I'm saying a lot of people feel he will continue to progress as he has in past years... which goes against one of the main arguments you've been making about my team
as far as our receivers go... they should improve from last year... hopefully we'll have a healthy Schilens, we didn't have it hardly at all last season, and when we did he was far from 100%... DHB has gotten very high praises so far in OTAs and training camp, I know he has to prove it on the field... but remember, he did terrible in OTAs and training camp last year... (he was dropping a lot of balls) and reports tell us that he hasn't had nearly as many drops as he did last year
as far as what kind of system Campbell has been in throughout his career, I honestly don't know... but I can tell you I've heard over and over and over again form EVERYBODY that Campbell hasn't gotten a fair shot because he's always had to learn new offenses and had so many different OCs throughout his career... for whatever that's worth...
and I really don't think they'll end up behind Denver... Denver lost it's best offensive player (Marshall) and will possibly lose it's best defensive player for the season (Dumerville) and they've had other injuries as well... I think KC and Oakland will battle it out for the number 2 spot... with Denver at the bottom
Exactly.
Well the numbers won't lie. I am not familiar with Washinton's players but would be curious to see what the numbers do say, as in sacks, rushed throws, etc. You know you are just throwing that out there without knowing too much about Washington's o-line over the years.LOL
Dude, give up. Campbell, at this point in time is better than your boy Smith! End of discussion.
Yessirrrrr!
I think you will be eating those words in October.
Keep your eyes open and do not miss the show.
The Raiders will go 10-6 if we stay healthy.
Once again, the numbers favor us.
*My mind is playing tricks on me*
