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4sDeuces&Trays

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as long as we keep supporting israel against palestine, this shit will never end. believe that.

good post maddogg, im glad not everyone is blind enough to buy into the "love it or leave it" mentality. why is it when one questions the motives of america they're told to "get the fuck out?"
 

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4sDeuces&Trays said:
why is it when one questions the motives of america they're told to "get the fuck out?"
whenever someone says that, i reply with "if you're for the war so much, then get the fuck off your computer right now and go enlist in the military." and that usually shuts them up. you need quite a mouthpiece to respond to that without making yourself look like a total jackass... but if he said some shit like "get the fuck out the country" in the first place, then he obviously doesn't brandish a mouthpiece that's capable of responding to that. :classic:

and people... this is a SERIOUS topic.... if you can't come up with anything better than "if you don't agree with bush, then why don't you just leave this country" then i suggest you not post anything at all.... or get clowned relentless. as you can see, most pro-war or anti-war folks on here with some type of knowledge on the situation can back up why or why we shouldn't be at war and have their LEGITIMATE REASONS WHY.... and not have to resort to that stupid "leave this country" shit...
 
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the same flag that allows for 12% of the population (blacks) to make up 50% of the population in prison.
First of all, what does the color of people in prison have to do with shit? Folks who still see color, have serious fuckin issues, PERIOD!! Let me just get this off my chest homie, there is not a conspiracy going on in the country that says every black person who goes to trial shall be found guilty. The system might be fucked, but that's the system we have. I've seen innocents of all races get sent to prison on some bullshit, my lady is on her way there right now, she ain't black, and there ain't shit she did wrong that even the judge wouldn't have done in the same situation, but that's how the system works, not just for black folks.

Now, it is true that black on black crime is a heavy hitter in this country, maybe that is contributing to such a high population of african-american people in prison, is it possible? Or do you believe inmates when every one of them says "Didn't do it"?? Yea, a lot of innocent folks go to prison, a lot of them happen to be black, but a lot of them happen to not be black as well. And like I said, a lot of them unfortunately did something fucked up and got caught. Remember, DNA is a big player in the court system these days, it is hard for somebody to leave their genetic information at a crime scene and get away scott free. That's like leaving a note saying you did it, and thats how cats get caught....are they still innocent?

Point being, why would you hate a country because of the percentage of a certain race in the prison system?? Don't blame the government, blame the jury's. Yea, you know, people are usually judged by 12 people, normal every day citizens like yourself. Not 12 people from Congress or any other type of government officials, you are judged by your fellow citizens, so BLAME THEM, not the government.
 
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My problem with our war is quite simple: the people of America are being led into thinking that we are there strickly to liberate them. The bottom line is, Iraq is strategicly valuable, and has valuable natural resources. The United States will benefit greatly from having a new regime in control of Iraq.

And if it wasn't for oil, for army bases, for control, what is it for? Half the countries in Africa are run by dictatorships. So are countries in Asia and in Latin America. You can't say its because they arent a threat to the United States! At any point a dictator style country could harbor terrorists, whether its Iraq, Iran, N. Korea, Somolia, Syria, etc. Not only that, but there are countries like North Korea who OPENLY ADMIT to possessing and creating nuclear arms that are in violation of UN Resolutions.

Now of course, NO ONE on either side is gonna debate that its a bad move to remove a dictator from power. Sadaam Huessein is a piece of shit and deserves whatever the hell our military is giving to him. But the question is, are really really making a move to change things to better all of us. If Sadaam Huessein has chemical weapons and nuclear weapons, that isn't the problem. The problem is Sadaam Huessin using chemical weapons, something he hasn't done the whole war (to our knowledge) and something that he never did before.

If you want to go back to the use of chemical weapons during the Iran-Iraq war, you should be reminded that the United States suppoted Iraq with superior weaponry AND with chemical agents. You should also be reminded that the United States has supported numerous other dictators in numerous other places. After World War II, the United States and Russia both made grave mistakes by granting dictators power and weaponry in exchange for a pledge of alligiance. Im China, we supported Chiang-Chi-Shek (sp?). In Cuba, we supported Fulgencio Bautista. In Vietnam, we supported the French and fought against Vietnam. In all of these struggles, we fought AGAINST the majority opinion of the people of the given country. The revolution in Cuba didn't happen just because Castro became a dictator who didnt hold free elections, it happened because the general population WANTED a new leader who would change Cuba from a US colony home to drugs, prostition and American corporate business into a respect safe place for his own people. In no way do I condone Castros actions, but its only fair to note that we tried to control the fate of another nation for OUR INTERESTS. Is that fair?

Basically I find a lot of Americans are ignorent to our Cold War policies and actual ACTIONS. We fucked a lot of countries over in the name of "liberty." There is a reason why 9/11 happened. Because people in the Middle East want Western influence out of their countries. Because we poke our nose in all of their business, we supported a Shah in Iran who raped his people of oil in exchange for his own personal profit, and we support Israel. A college professor writing about American policy in the middle east once wrote "the sons of torute victims make good terrorists."

So, instead of staying out of middle eastern conflict, we have chosen to fight it head on. We decide to invade two countries and the "War on Terror" isnt even over yet. If people think this war is gonna make Islamic terrorists happy they are horribly wrong.

So basically, everything I just said, along with a downward spiriling economy explains reasons why we should avoid the war. Speaking of our economy, how many presidents do you know that create a deficit and THEN cut taxes and still fight a war? Basically, these are the reasons I oppose the war.

totally agree with that ,much love homey.

peeps seem not to remember an american tank targeted and shot the international journalists hotel in bagdad a few days ago....american army killed HELLA innocents all over Irak ,everywhere ,i found some numbers the other day on the net ,was like 1,000 killed everyday or something ,little children ,old peeps ,women died cause of missed bombings ,50 peeps died in that market where a bomb was dropped...


y'all cant understand how bad I feel when I think of all those young US soldiers dying in irak at 18 ,19 ,20 ,21 for some stupid ass bullshit...and people keep thinking ,believing ,and being sure that Bush send his troops there to FREE irak ,LMAO...its sad how all these peeps gonna die for that bullshit ,did y'all forget that Bush didnt even go to is military service???

RIP to all the US soldiers that died for their country ,who doesnt give a shit about their lives since they are sending em to death not in order to FREE another country but in order to make more money and get benfits and interests in Irak.
at least y'all wont say I'm hating on americans.
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MaddDogg said:
My problem with our war is quite simple: the people of America are being led into thinking that we are there strickly to liberate them. The bottom line is, Iraq is strategicly valuable, and has valuable natural resources. The United States will benefit greatly from having a new regime in control of Iraq.

And if it wasn't for oil, for army bases, for control, what is it for?

and the "War on Terror" isnt even over yet.

What did we go into Bosnia for?You have the typical Liberal mind of thinking it's all about oil.You're preaching about something you can't possibly have any clue about,basing your whole arguement on a theory.Is it discouraging to see grown Iraqi men hug our troops,because it throws all your pre-war theories out the window?You expected 100's of thousand's of homicide bombers did'nt you?lol
This is'nt even arguementitive anymore.We've seen the reaction from the Iraqi citizens,and the joy and smiles on their faces.They are finally free of the Regime that murdered their own.The U.S. does what no other country can do,and that is create security for individuals around the Earth.
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y'all cant understand how bad I feel when I think of all those young US soldiers dying in irak at 18 ,19 ,20 ,21 for some stupid ass bullshit...
Stupid ass bullshit ? You've got an insane dictator that was killing massive amounts of his own people. The UN told him to stop it, and he would say ok.... then keep doing it. This happened 14 times before we went in and said NOT GONNA HAPPEN anymore. Someone had to do it, plus you got a million other reasons like the fact that Saddam could furnish the terrorists with war technology. If you let a guy like that sit you're only waiting for something to blow up in your face. You're ignorant if you think he wasn't gonna fuck with is down the road. It's also a fact that Saddam was giving aid to suicide bombers families....... that's not a bullshit reason at all. In fact, it's bullshit that your country didn't help. France is a land of cowards that only now want to back what we did because of the outcome and the chance to make some money.


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did y'all forget that Bush didnt even go to is military service???
This coming from a man who's country is a bunch of money hungry cowards. (to say the least) I don't even have to defend that statement, everybody in the world knows it, it's a fact.


In parting I'll close with this:
A long time ago, Britain and France were at war. During one battle, the French captured an English major. Taking the major to their headquarters, the French general began to question him. The French general asked, "Why do you English officers all wear red coats? Don't you know the red material makes you easier targets for us to shoot?" In his bland English way, the major informed the general that the reason English officers wear red coats is so that if they are shot, the blood won't show and the men they are leading won't panic.

And that is why from that day to now all French Army officers wear brown pants.
 
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10) WHETHER YOU ARE FOR MILITARY ACTION OR AGAINST IT,
OUR YOUNG MEN AND WOMEN OVERSEAS ARE FIGHTING FOR US
TO DEFEND OUR RIGHT TO SPEAK OUT. WE ALL NEED TO
SUPPORT THEM WITHOUT RESERVATION.
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good shit right here....goverment do sneaky shit but this here war is long over due, iraq supports the bombing shit they did to us, "if you aint with us , then you gota be against us"! how are you gonna eat from a hand and say how you dont like it?. leave then if its that bad here and so great in iraq, its so good over there if you have a satellite TV you get 6 yrs locked up, pretty good goverment eh?....i rather take the USA goverment over that than any other any day......say sum thing bad about the goverment and you can be hanged in public?....naw i will go with USA Freedom of speech, thankz the troops for fighting for that right, the current troops, the future troops, and the past troops. just my thoughts, Killa Valley Support USA & thsi here WAR.....everything we have , you and me is becuz we live in the USA, its not universal right , its just a USA right to have such a great life and have such great opprotunity
 
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What did we go into Bosnia for?You have the typical Liberal mind of thinking it's all about oil.You're preaching about something you can't possibly have any clue about,basing your whole arguement on a theory.Is it discouraging to see grown Iraqi men hug our troops,because it throws all your pre-war theories out the window?You expected 100's of thousand's of homicide bombers did'nt you?lol
This is'nt even arguementitive anymore.We've seen the reaction from the Iraqi citizens,and the joy and smiles on their faces.They are finally free of the Regime that murdered their own.The U.S. does what no other country can do,and that is create security for individuals around the Earth.
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The operation in Bosnia was UN and NATO led. Nearly everyone wanted that man out of power. That's not the case in Iraq. Of course the people or Iraq wanted Huessein in power, and most of the people in the world agree he's a dictator, but they see our "liberation" as aggression. Which it kinda is when you launch a pre-emptive strike.

More importantly, we should take a look at our liberation missions in the world in the last two decades or so. Bosnia is a world hot spot that needs stability to keep Europe and Russia stable. Somolia is the horn of Africa at the north tip which is an important port and has valuable oil resources. Iraq is in a hot spot, has strategic value and has oil. What's in common with these places? They all have something we want. Bosnia helps European stability and has location. Somolia has location and oil. So does Iraq. What about the countries that don't have either? What about countries like Zaire and Rwanda that practiced Genocide at the same time as Bosnia? What about the problems in Haiti? How bout them civil rights violations in Libya? What about countries in Latin America where guerilla fighters and drug lords have just as much if not more power than the government? Why don't we address these issues? BECAUSE THERE IS NO AMERICAN INTEREST. IF THE INTERESTS OF OUR COUNTRY ARENT IN DANGER THERE WILL BE NO AMERICAN WAR. And notice Im pointing out events during the Clinton administration also, so I don't think its really a question of being a liberal or not.

As far as my argument being "theoretical," I don't see a lot of theory about it. Most of the shit I talked about has already happened, and if you telling me we are there to liberate them and disarm Sadaam even though he cant hit a US base 2 miles away from his own country with missles Im going to say thats a crock of shit.
 
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lmao..some of y'all are really hella fucked up by what the media tells you over there lmao.
a bunch of coward people lmao you really stupid manne ,i wasnt arguing or anything and you come disrespectin and sayin this bunch of silly ass ,bitch ass shit ,racist shit ,a real man would die for everything ligitimate ,i would too ,like a lot of french peeps ,but not for no stupid ass shit..y'all are gettin bullshitted all day ,24/7 by TV channels and radio ,y'all muthafuckaz didnt even see that american priest who declared to be against war..HE GOT LOCKED UP.
did you see the US army bombing children everyday?
did you see the US army bombing the reporters hotel?
or maybe y'all are too stupid to understand that it was really YOUR army bombing em...of yeah you thought it was cause of snipers and shit?
yeah keep believing shit like that...

yesterday y'all army even bombed a place in Afghanistan by error!!!
10 killed..I guess y'all dont give a fuck bout that..

well Now lemme expose my opinion ,without being racist and accusing anybody.

I think American Gov. is a buncha cowards ,for delcaring war to everything that opposes them ,they try to be the police of the world ,well arent we all brothers?
do they have the right to go whenever they want wherever they want simply because they THINK there's a THREAT for them ((which is most of the time bullshit )

well a few decades ago ,americans killed all indians ,blacks were slaves ,they killin mexican immigrants all day ,there's still ghettos and segregation everywhere in y'all country and a lot of y'all bump what they call gangsta shit ,but some peeps still think they have "such a great life and have such great opprotunity" LMAO at y'all manne ,y'all cool and shit but when it comes to politics ,most of y'all got shit in their eyes ,keep on thanking your government for everything you have ,i'm so impressed ,y'all country is so beautiful and perfect.

some people also still tend to forget that america was ,back in the days ,down with saddam hussein ,and it was after he bombed his own people..why didnt the US troops go to irak to FREE the country at this time?

didnt also the US support southern american regimes with dicators like Pinochet ,simply because they were thinking there were THREATS (with the socialist movements in those countries) ,and everybody knows that these regimes were not far from saddam regime...but oh well ,I guess america is just beautiful...

sometimes i really cant understand some of y'all ,damn ,what you waitin on to open your eyes?
 

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but they see our "liberation" as aggression
if you think they see it as any more than aggression on their wallets youre a fool.

who can honestly say iraq is better off leaving saddam in power. you dont have the right to say so.
 
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Every country in the history of the world have done things they aren't proud of when the history books get opened, but in America we learn from our mistakes. We waited too long to deal with Saddam, but we're finally doing it so that says something. If it was up to the French they'd let everyone die as long as they were making cash off it.

There's no way you can defend your country's actions. You've made that clear by avoiding the issue; The French are Cowards. Whether this includes you or not, I can't say, but the leaders of your country have time and time again followed the easy road instead of the right one. Saddam needed to be taken out of power and since your country was stacking money off him being in power thru sales and secret oil lines they didn't care he was killing 1,000's of his own people. I don't know how you can live under the power of such cowards.

Here's some stuff you should check out FRENCHMAN:
Before our Strikes:
Asked if France blocked moves to deploy a larger number of inspectors, Perle was quoted as replying "But of course." "France's constant strategy during the negotiations on (United Nations) Resolution 1441 was to reduce the scope of inspections, to reduce the potential efficiency of the inspectors on the ground," he said.

Why do you think this would be ? Use your imagination

France had also opposed US proposals that Iraqi officials could be taken out of the country for interviews on their work. "Telling the truth today for an Iraqi scientist amounts to a death sentence. That's why the United States insisted so much on the principle that Iraqis should be able to be questioned in total security outside their territory," he told the paper.

"I could never have imagined a country like France would stigmatise - as if it were a sin rather than a good-willed action - the idea of providing security to essential witnesses," he said. "Why did Chirac oppose us?" he asked.


"Frankly I have no idea. One of my friends explained to me that President Chirac was steeped all his life in the affairs of the Gulf and that his relations with many leaders in the region were almost as good as family ties," he said.


Once again, why would this be ? Nothing to do with money I'm sure
 
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datfrenchmane said:
well a few decades ago ,americans killed all indians ,blacks were slaves ,they killin mexican immigrants all day ,there's still ghettos and segregation everywhere in y'all country and a lot of y'all bump what they call gangsta shit ,but some peeps still think they have "such a great life and have such great opprotunity" LMAO at y'all manne ,y'all cool and shit but when it comes to politics ,most of y'all got shit in their eyes ,keep on thanking your government for everything you have ,i'm so impressed ,y'all country is so beautiful and perfect.
Hold up hold up hold UP!! Stop talking, dumb shit. A few DECADES ago? For one, Americans did not kill ALL the Indians. I know this because, there are Indians in the great state of California, oh, and WASHINGTON too. ALL INDIANS would mean they are extinct, which they aren't. Blacks haven't been slaves for well over 100 years, and they don't shoot Mexican Immigrants unless they have reason to do so. The last time I heard of Mexican Immigrants getting shot, they fucked around at the border and got DEALT, period. But does the government go to where the immigrants are and murder them?? NO....I see immigrants all the time, which means we don't go out and slaughter them.

Segregation...when was the last time you were in the United States?? That's all I want to know. And where did you go? There are ghettos here, and gangs...but this is pretty much the only country where a thug from the ghetto can become a multi-millionaire if he sets his mind to it.

What do you French people have that's so great?? WINE, CHEESE, RUDE MUTHAFUCKAZ??? Good for you, we have all that too. When you French people come to America, do we look at y'all and charge you extra cause you're French? Or are we fucked up to y'all cause you're French? NO, NO!! Eat a dick faggot. Your country is run by a bunch of fuckin cowards who were probably taking it in the ass by the Republican Guards while Sadaam Hussein sat in the corner beatin' his love stick, and y'all celebrate that. Good for you.

Until you LIVE in the United States, and witness the opportunities for yourself, SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!
 
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its hard 2 believe how stupid some muthafuckaz are ,really.

for money ,damn ,what money can france get from opposing the war???
damn really manne i cant believe u can say some stupid ass shit like this...chirac family ties or something lmao..

WE All PROUD here of not having blood on our hands ,especially innoncent people blood.

but what amazes me the most if that y'all are completely SURE that Bush went there to free the country..LMAO ,please manne learn how to think before believin that...damn..at first american gov. said they were wantin to destruct Irak bombs...irak destructed about all of em before ,as you probably know the US soldiers and secret services didnt find shit in irak ,except like 5 al samoud 2 which is aproximatively NOTHING.
is Irak really a threat to america?
HELL NO.
now North Korea is one bigger...why dont the US troops go there?
we all know they got hella weapons and bombs and all kinds of shit they shouldnt have..

now Bush says he went there to free the country?
another pretty funny point..why dont the US soldiers go to Haiti?
they got a dictator too...why dont they go there to free the people under his oppression?
well maybe there aint shit to gain by going to haiti since its one of the poorest countries in the world ,if not the poorest ,does it mean we should let the dictator have the same regime as saddam?
all of rich countries governments are to blame for that ,not only the USA ,but also france ,UK...but thats kinda off subject.

and come on manne...how many indians is there left??
a few thousands..they were millions back in the days..

now talking about segregation and ghettos...you say it was 100 years ago...but there's still black ghettos ,latin ghettos and white ghettos everywhere in the country ,and you know it like me period.

and out of all the thugs of your country that really wanna become rich ,how many did?
not a lot mane ,you know it like me.
 
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Did I say segregation was 100 years ago? I said slavery was well over 100 years ago dipshit. I didn't disagree about the ghettos. Oh yea, by the way son, not a lot of people become rich because most of them don't know how to do it. A lot of folks fuck off their own chances by sellin dope or shootin other people. Is that the governments fault? Yea, it might be their fault that the drugs are there, but every individual has the power to think for his/herself. Nobody can blame our government for their own faults. It might be easy to pick up a crack rock and sell it, but it's wiser to drop it and pursue real cash. It's a lot easier for people to blame the government for everything, including drugs and poverty. In reality though, anybody in the United States can flip that, and turn the situation to have a positive outcome, most are just too fuckin lazy to do so.

Like I said FRENCHMAN, you have no room to talk until you have lived here your whole life, and know what the fuck is really going on.
 
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