Oscar De La Hoya VS. FLoyd Mayweather Jr..
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Yeah the same Mosley that gave a younger Oscar a tougher time than Floyd and the same Mosley who fought Winky Wright, a guy that Floyd refused to fight when Winky answered Floyd's call of beating anyone 154 down. Yeah that's him. LOL
Actually Forrest has a damn good jab, I think he could be successful against Floyd.
Actually Forrest has a damn good jab, I think he could be successful against Floyd.
Please, Mosley had a chance to fight Mayweather before De La Hoya did and he was bullshitting, talking about Maybe next year, maybe later on, please.. Mayweather would tap that ass too, not even just talking shit.. It would be a much more competitive fight though than De La Hoya/Mayweather, closer, maybe even giving Mosley a slight chance, unlike Oscar..
What scenerio crap are you talking about? I'm just stating that Mosley gave a younger Oscar a tougher time, i wasn't implying anything. Next I was referring to the fact that Floyd ducked Winky. Floyd said he'd beat anyone 154 down and Winky replied with a challenge and Floyd declined. Then I stated Forrest has a good jab and could give Floyd trouble. It doesn't matter anymore though because Floyd's retired, we might as well take him off the p4p list and continue with the sport.
Well in my honest opinion Floyd should never fight Winky for the same reason De La Hoya should never fight Tarver.. Mayweather is awsome, but I'd rather not see those David and Goliath type fights anyways, I thought it was ridiculous when Floyd first considered it. Winky is too big, Floyd's skill level is something I don't under estimate, but Winky is too big.. Now that Floyd's gone, Boxing is going to die even quicker, because boxing is lacking talented people right now..
I highly doubt that. Hardly anyone outside the boxing world knew who he was in the first place. The man could barely sell out in his hometown of Grand Rapids, his PPV numbers without Oscar are just above horrible, the only people that will miss him are the true boxing purists. Other than that, no one will know he's gone. Now if Oscar retired, boxing would be in worse shape. If Oscar never fought again, I don't see anyone bringing in the same numbers as he did anytime in the near future.
Kostya Tszyu, Ricky Hatton, Stevie Johnston, Antonio Margartio...
Need I say more...?
Tony, I'm as big a Floyd fan as the next man, but this guy has hand picked his opponents throughout his career. This is a well known fact. Just like Floyd turned down a match @ 154 with Winky.
C'mon now, De La Hoya is a legend, but he's definitely not the top dog @ 154.
Mayweather turns it into a Mayweather Fight...Great Article
By Steve Kim (maxboxing.com)
In one of his classic riffs, comedian Chris Rock would say that the tiger that mauled Roy, of Siegfried and Roy, back in 2003 didn't go crazy, but instead, 'that tiger went tiger.'
In that vain, Floyd Mayweather, who would win the WBC jr. middleweight title this past weekend at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas via split decision over Oscar De La Hoya, didn't make it a tactical, strategic boxing match (which is another way of saying 'boring'), he made it into a typical Mayweather fight.
It was one that was long on feints, slipping, movement and counterpunching but short on any real sustained excitement. Yet, nevertheless, it was extremely effective.
But I've seen Ray Leonard, and he's no Ray Leonard. In fact, he's no Wilfred Benitez, Roberto Duran, Thomas Hearns or Aaron Pryor. He's among the very best practitioners of 'the sweet science' today, but it's very evident that he's not among the very elite that has ever fought, as HBO and Mayweather try and sell to you like Willy Loman. Give those above mentioned names the same ability to pick and choose fighters as much as 'the Pretty Boy' has and they would've been undefeated too after 38 professional outings. And they wouldn't have bored the hell out of the viewing public in doing so.
This is Roy Jones 2.0.
I'll say it right now, not only do I believe that Shane Mosley was much more effective against De La Hoya in 2000 (when he was at his physical peak), I was more impressed by Pernell Whitaker's performance versus Oscar in 1997 at the tail end of his career.
YaknowwhatImsayin'?
While the rabid De La Hoya fanbase that dominated the MGM Grand Garden Arena tried their best to cheer Oscar to victory, reacting loudly to every one of his flurries - that meant mostly nothing - the judges preferred the boxing of Mayweather, who became more and more accurate with his right cross as the night went along.
"It was easy work, I outboxed him easy," he would say at the post-fight press conference. If judge Jerry Roth would have agreed with his colleagues on the 12th round - where he was the only arbiter to give that frame to Mayweather - then the fight would've been declared a draw and De La Hoya would have retained his title. Mayweather was surprised by the closeness of the scoring. "I thought I was going to beat him by a bigger margin than they had it. Honestly, I'm not saying he's not a good fighter, but all them shots he was throwing, he was missing."
When asked about his future - as he had promised after his bout with Carlos Baldomir to retire – Mayweather would say that he would sit down with his advisors, Leonard Ellerbe and Al Haymon, which is another way of saying, 'I ain't going nowhere.'
Especially in light of the latest promotional company that HBO will prop up under the guise of Mayweather Promotions. But Mayweather says he is already looking forward to the next stage of his life.
"I'm getting involved in other ventures, other things outside of boxing, as far as promotion, music and concerts," he would say.
As for De La Hoya, his legacy of losing his biggest fights continues. And a familiar habit of squandering leads late cropped up again. Mayweather may have not had the finishing kick of 'Street Sense' in the Kentucky Derby, but it was he that took over the last third of the bout. After nine innings, De La Hoya would find himself up on two of the cards (by identical scores of 86-85. But strangely, De La Hoya abandoned his best weapon, the left jab, which had been effective throughout the night.
"For some reason my jab just didn't come out," said a chagrined De La Hoya, who could be making up to $40 million for this bout. "And the times I would throw it, they would land nicely and I would throw them solid. But it was one of those nights where the jab didn't come out."
After the fight there was some controversy about the transferring of the scores onto the summary score sheets. Talks of red slips and blue slips, and scores being converted on the incorrect ledger buzzed ringside. It was the very definition of convoluted. Talk of the decision changing spread quickly, which brought a collective groan to everyone. After the fans had filed out of the arena, reporters huddled around Golden Boy CEO Richard Schaefer and others involved in the event examining the scorecards. It was very reminiscent of what happened last year in Los Angeles when on another Golden Boy Promotions event, a draw between Marco Antonio Barrera and Rocky Juarez was changed later to a Barrera victory. Something similar took place in 2000, when Stevie Johnston went into his locker room believing he had taken back his WBC lightweight belt from Jose Luis Castillo, only to be informed he would be giving the green belt back to Castillo, as an error in tabulating the scores was found, and the contest was ruled a draw.
While De La Hoya-Mayweather the fight certainly didn't save boxing, as many had speculated it had the ability to, at the very least it didn't damage boxing's image like others in the past, like Holyfield-Tyson II. For the business of boxing, it was bad enough that Mayweather won, but it would have been catastrophic to have awarded De La Hoya the victory in this fashion.
When pressed by the media if he felt this 'honest mistake', as he called it, would be reversed, Schaefer would admit that it wouldn't be. But he was miffed that nobody from the Nevada State Athletic Commission or the WBC had stuck around to discuss this issue.
But Oscar says he will not be launching a full scale investigation and using all his resources to get to the bottom of this.
"You just have to respect the judges at this point," said De La Hoya, who seemed resigned to his fate. "I don't feel like a loser because I came to do what I had to do."
When talk of a rematch came up, he would say, "Well, we'll see. Obviously, I'm going to go back to the drawing board and talk it over with the family."
By Steve Kim (maxboxing.com)
In one of his classic riffs, comedian Chris Rock would say that the tiger that mauled Roy, of Siegfried and Roy, back in 2003 didn't go crazy, but instead, 'that tiger went tiger.'
In that vain, Floyd Mayweather, who would win the WBC jr. middleweight title this past weekend at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas via split decision over Oscar De La Hoya, didn't make it a tactical, strategic boxing match (which is another way of saying 'boring'), he made it into a typical Mayweather fight.
It was one that was long on feints, slipping, movement and counterpunching but short on any real sustained excitement. Yet, nevertheless, it was extremely effective.
But I've seen Ray Leonard, and he's no Ray Leonard. In fact, he's no Wilfred Benitez, Roberto Duran, Thomas Hearns or Aaron Pryor. He's among the very best practitioners of 'the sweet science' today, but it's very evident that he's not among the very elite that has ever fought, as HBO and Mayweather try and sell to you like Willy Loman. Give those above mentioned names the same ability to pick and choose fighters as much as 'the Pretty Boy' has and they would've been undefeated too after 38 professional outings. And they wouldn't have bored the hell out of the viewing public in doing so.
This is Roy Jones 2.0.
I'll say it right now, not only do I believe that Shane Mosley was much more effective against De La Hoya in 2000 (when he was at his physical peak), I was more impressed by Pernell Whitaker's performance versus Oscar in 1997 at the tail end of his career.
YaknowwhatImsayin'?
While the rabid De La Hoya fanbase that dominated the MGM Grand Garden Arena tried their best to cheer Oscar to victory, reacting loudly to every one of his flurries - that meant mostly nothing - the judges preferred the boxing of Mayweather, who became more and more accurate with his right cross as the night went along.
"It was easy work, I outboxed him easy," he would say at the post-fight press conference. If judge Jerry Roth would have agreed with his colleagues on the 12th round - where he was the only arbiter to give that frame to Mayweather - then the fight would've been declared a draw and De La Hoya would have retained his title. Mayweather was surprised by the closeness of the scoring. "I thought I was going to beat him by a bigger margin than they had it. Honestly, I'm not saying he's not a good fighter, but all them shots he was throwing, he was missing."
When asked about his future - as he had promised after his bout with Carlos Baldomir to retire – Mayweather would say that he would sit down with his advisors, Leonard Ellerbe and Al Haymon, which is another way of saying, 'I ain't going nowhere.'
Especially in light of the latest promotional company that HBO will prop up under the guise of Mayweather Promotions. But Mayweather says he is already looking forward to the next stage of his life.
"I'm getting involved in other ventures, other things outside of boxing, as far as promotion, music and concerts," he would say.
As for De La Hoya, his legacy of losing his biggest fights continues. And a familiar habit of squandering leads late cropped up again. Mayweather may have not had the finishing kick of 'Street Sense' in the Kentucky Derby, but it was he that took over the last third of the bout. After nine innings, De La Hoya would find himself up on two of the cards (by identical scores of 86-85. But strangely, De La Hoya abandoned his best weapon, the left jab, which had been effective throughout the night.
"For some reason my jab just didn't come out," said a chagrined De La Hoya, who could be making up to $40 million for this bout. "And the times I would throw it, they would land nicely and I would throw them solid. But it was one of those nights where the jab didn't come out."
After the fight there was some controversy about the transferring of the scores onto the summary score sheets. Talks of red slips and blue slips, and scores being converted on the incorrect ledger buzzed ringside. It was the very definition of convoluted. Talk of the decision changing spread quickly, which brought a collective groan to everyone. After the fans had filed out of the arena, reporters huddled around Golden Boy CEO Richard Schaefer and others involved in the event examining the scorecards. It was very reminiscent of what happened last year in Los Angeles when on another Golden Boy Promotions event, a draw between Marco Antonio Barrera and Rocky Juarez was changed later to a Barrera victory. Something similar took place in 2000, when Stevie Johnston went into his locker room believing he had taken back his WBC lightweight belt from Jose Luis Castillo, only to be informed he would be giving the green belt back to Castillo, as an error in tabulating the scores was found, and the contest was ruled a draw.
While De La Hoya-Mayweather the fight certainly didn't save boxing, as many had speculated it had the ability to, at the very least it didn't damage boxing's image like others in the past, like Holyfield-Tyson II. For the business of boxing, it was bad enough that Mayweather won, but it would have been catastrophic to have awarded De La Hoya the victory in this fashion.
When pressed by the media if he felt this 'honest mistake', as he called it, would be reversed, Schaefer would admit that it wouldn't be. But he was miffed that nobody from the Nevada State Athletic Commission or the WBC had stuck around to discuss this issue.
But Oscar says he will not be launching a full scale investigation and using all his resources to get to the bottom of this.
"You just have to respect the judges at this point," said De La Hoya, who seemed resigned to his fate. "I don't feel like a loser because I came to do what I had to do."
When talk of a rematch came up, he would say, "Well, we'll see. Obviously, I'm going to go back to the drawing board and talk it over with the family."
