NBA lockout

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blunt_hogg559
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shit is officially a lockout. I'm reading that, more likely than not, the entire upcoming season will be cancelled.

when this shit happened in baseball in 1994, I stopped watching baseball. haven't fucked with the sport since.

last time the NBA had their lockout and shortened season, I stopped fucking with the league for years.

too bad this had to go down after one of the best NBA seasons and finals I've ever witnessed.
 
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Official release from NBA
NEW YORK -- The National Basketball Association announced that it will commence a lockout of its players, effective at 12:01 am ET on July 1, until a new collective bargaining agreement is reached with the National Basketball Players Association.
"The expiring collective bargaining agreement created a broken system that produced huge financial losses for our teams," said NBA Deputy Commissioner Adam Silver. "We need a sustainable business model that allows all 30 teams to be able to compete for a championship, fairly compensates our players, and provides teams, if well-managed, with an opportunity to be profitable."
"We have made several proposals to the union, including a deal targeting $2 billion annually as the players' share -- an average of approximately $5 million per player that could increase along with league revenue growth," said Silver. "Elements of our proposal would also better align players' pay with performance."
"We will continue to make every effort to reach a new agreement that is fair and in the best interests of our teams, our players, our fans, and our game."
During the lockout, players will not receive their salaries; teams will not negotiate, sign or trade player contracts; players will not be able to use team facilities for any purpose; and teams will not conduct or facilitate any summer camps, exhibitions, practices, workouts, coaching sessions, or team meetings.


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Owners lock out players as CBA expires
By Steve Aschburner, NBA.com
Parting amicably but most definitely parting, NBA owners and players exited a final three-hour bargaining session Thursday, walked through a hotel lobby and headed directly into the uncertainty of the league's first labor lockout in 13 years.
Do not pass "Go?" Do not collect another $2.17 billion in player compensation and $4.2 billion in total league revenues if the 2011-12 NBA season is jeopardized?
That's the question the two sides ultimately will answer, based on how soon -- or not soon -- they reach an agreement to play basketball and conduct business again once the lockout triggered at 12:01 a.m. ET Friday.
Hammer out a deal in the next two or even three months? Lockout jail might feel like an ankle-bracelet stay at one of those tennis-and-shuffleboard Club Feds. Spend five, six or (uh oh) seven months mostly staring across the great divide in their positions? Everyone involved -- players, owners, folks who make more modest livings from the sport, fans -- could be looking at hard time. For a long time.
After all, this dispute -- the pursuit of a new collective bargaining agreement -- has gone on for 18 months, across nearly a dozen proposal and counter-proposals, with numerous face-to-face meetings in Miami, Dallas and New York accelerating since the start of The Finals May 31.
"It worries me that we're not closer and we spent all this time trying to get closer," a dour NBA commissioner David Stern told a roomful of reporters. "We have a huge philosophical divide."
Billy Hunter, executive director of the National Basketball Players Association, called the difference "mammoth." "The gap is too great," Hunter said. "It's like taking a baby step [instead of] a giant step."
The meeting Thursday was a relatively intimate gathering compared to the session last week attended by more owners and more than 30 rank-and-file players. This time, Stern and deputy commissioner Adam Silver were joined only by San Antonio's Peter Holt and New York's James Dolan of the 11-person labor relations committee. Hunter, union president Derek Fisher and executive committee members Matt Bonner of the Spurs and Maurice Evans of the Wizards represented the players, along with attorneys, economists and staff on both sides.
Given the incremental progress to that point, the prospect of getting a deal Thursday -- or even making sufficient strides to extend the midnight deadline and postpone a lockout -- was slim. But Stern and Silver said even that chance fizzled when the players came in with a tweaked proposal that did nothing to further address the owners' goals of greater competitive balance and profitability. Instead, Stern said, it featured a boost in player compensation from the current average of about $5 million to nearly $7 million in the sixth year of a proposed agreement.
"A lockout has a very large impact on a lot of people, most of whom are not associated with either side," Stern said. "They're the other employees of the teams, they're the people who work at the arenas. They're a whole raft of people who make their living from our industry.
"Given the fact that the teams were basically not to be profitable -- very close to break-even under the players' last proposal -- while the players would increase their compensation from the current range of $5 million to approximately $7 million, we didn't see any other option."
Hunter and Fisher did not share details of the union's latest proposal when they exited. It appeared to focus on the NBA's growth projections, with the players' share rising as overall revenues rise.
In management's last known offer, the players would be guaranteed at least $2 billion annually for 10 years -- compared to their 2010-11 compensation of $2.17 billion -- with increases possible (but at a slower rate than the players suggest).
In the expiring CBA, players received a 57 percent share of "basketball-related revenues" and last week presented an offer to adjust that down to 54.3 percent. They said that would result in $500 million in givebacks across five years. Ownership is seeking a 50-50 split, with more cost exclusions from the calculation of BRI.
Then there is the disagreement over systemic changes, such as the owners' desire for a hard or "flex" salary cap that would prevent some team from spending in excess of $100 million on payroll (and luxury-tax penalities) while others spend less than $50 million.
The players see that as poor team management that they shouldn't be squeezed to fix, suggesting that a better revenue-sharing system among the 30 franchises would solve that. Stern and Silver, citing losses by 22 teams, maintain that the NBA's collective $300 million loss means there aren't enough profits to salve all the shortfalls.
And so it goes.
"I'm not scared," Stern said. "I'm resigned to the potential damage that it can cause to our league. ... As we get deeper into it, these things have the capacity to take on a life of their own. You never can predict what will happen."
Fisher, on his way out of the midtown Manhattan hotel that served as meeting site, said: "I know there are a lot of our fans and people that follow our game that, although we're not going to miss any games at this point, still just don't like the prospect of a lockout. We don't like it either. It's something that our owners feel like is the best way, I guess, to maybe get what they want. We don't agree."
That is, well, something. The two sides did agree to meet in about two weeks for another stab at it. When the NBA plunged into a lockout that shortened the 1998-99 season to just 50 games, there were no talks from June 22 until August 6 -- and that one in August lasted just 90 minutes.
Both sides also indicated that their most recent proposals, disparate as they are, would remain in play. That's a departure from the ominous words leading up to the deadline that offers would get worse once a lockout began.
However, there is a chance the sides will begin with a clean slate sometime in the week of July 11. Fisher and Hunter said the gulch over economics is so large, they all might be better off focusing on the system changes.
Said Stern: "The players on their way out suggested to us that, when we re-convene, maybe we should start from scratch. And if there are things we should think about that we haven't thought about before. So I don't mean to suggest that [the latest owners' proposal is] 'off the table' in any threatening way. It just hasn't done the job. The question is, what does it take on both sides to get the job done?"
That's one question anyway. Another one is, how long can these negotiations drag on without doing serious harm to 2011-12? In terms of financial pain, the players won't start feeling the effect of a lockout until November, when their first paychecks for next season don't arrive. Owners face a more complicated financial picture, given sponsorships, partnerships and advance ticket sales.
But for the teams that have been operating at a loss, not staging games -- while not paying players -- might leave them better off rather than worse.
If the 1995 and 1998 lockouts can serve as primers, a full season could be played if a deal were achieved in September (as in '95). The 50-game version that began in February 1999 after a 204-day lockout had a drop-dead date for settlement of Jan. 7.
Go much beyond that and all of 2011-12 could be scuttled, taking with it the momentum of huge ratings and popularity gains of the recently completed season. That's when a seven-month lockout could become 15, much like the NHL's lost year of 2004-05.
By the way, Stern was asked about the pain associated with slamming the brakes on what was widely considered the highest-profile season for the NBA since Michael Jordan's run in Chicago ended in 1998.
"We had a great year in terms of the appreciation of the fans for our game," he said. "It just wasn't a profitable one for our owners. And it wasn't one that many of the small-market teams particularly enjoyed. Or felt included."
For what it's worth, the rhetoric between the union and the owners hasn't been amped up to 1998 levels yet -- there was more disappointment and resignation than acrimony in everyone's tone Thursday. But it is early.
"Obviously the clock is now running," Hunter said. "I've been anticipating this lockout for the last two to three years, and so it's here. ... I feel, OK, we were waiting for the lockout. Now there's a lockout. Now let's get down to business."
Said Stern: "We understand it's nothing personal. We could swap sides for advocacy. But the lack of animosity doesn't get us any closer with respect to the underlying philosophical divide."
It doesn't get anyone -- players, owners, fans, team and league employees -- any closer to basketball.
NBA.com's John Schuhmann contributed to this report.
 
Aug 24, 2003
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Frequently Asked Questions On NBA Lockout
By Steve Aschburner, NBA.com
Q. What happens in a lockout?
A. All contact between NBA players and the teams ceases. No communication. No use of team facilities. No contracts signed. No free-agent shopping. Players still owed salary for the 2010-11 season will continue to receive payments but other benefits (insurance) are suspended.
Q. What are the most important issues holding up a deal?
A. The NBA owners are seeking changes in both the financial split of league revenues dedicated to player compensation and the structure of the system. In the expiring collective bargaining agreement, players received 57 percent of basketball-related income. The owners - citing combined losses approaching $300 million last year, with 22 of 30 teams in the red - had offered a 50-50 split in their latest proposal. The owners also want to function under a "flex" salary cap that the players interpret as a hard cap similar to those in the NFL and NHL, as opposed to the current "soft" cap.
Q. How far apart are the two sides?
A. A chasm at the moment. Besides the dispute over cap structure, the players - whose latest offer was a 54.3 percent split to 45.7 for the teams - contend the owners' 10-year proposal would lose them about $7 billion over its term (allowing for projected growth in league revenues).

By the way, both sides traditionally take their most recent offers off the table once a work stoppage commences, so the above numbers might not be the starting points the next time the parties talk.
Q. When is the next negotiating session?
A. TBD. When the two sides broke off talks in July 1998, they did not meet again until early August - and then for only 90 minutes, without progress. The owners and the players did not exactly sequester themselves heading toward the June 30 deadline this year, with just three meetings - totaling about 12 hours - in the final two weeks.
Q. What does this mean for 2011-12?
A. There are no dates chiseled in stone by which a deal must be struck for next season to escape unscathed. But if history is a guide, a lockout in 1995 lasted 74 days - into September - without changes in preseason or regular season schedules. In 1998, the NBA cancelled preseason games once the lockout reached Sept. 24. On Oct. 13, the first two weeks of the regular schedule were zapped.

The league kept pushing about a month out in terms of cancellations, until NBA commissioner David Stern issued a Jan. 7 drop-dead date to stage even a 50-game game season. Free agency, training camps and two preseason games were crammed into a period of less than three weeks once the new agreement was ratified.


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blunt_hogg559
Jul 6, 2005
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next NBA season would have been epic tho.

gives bitch ass Kobe more time to heal his faggot ass knee.
 

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blunt_hogg559
Jul 6, 2005
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yeah I have direct tv, only for nba tv.

@858, you don't fuck with the nfl?

I am huge into the nba, semi into the nfl and boxing, but love mma. but the judges in mma fucking suck.

iono, breh.
 

Rossibreath

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Sep 1, 2005
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The players in all sports are stupid for tryna cut into the owners profits. They make enough money and cutting into the owners profits will just make them less likely to continue over paying players. I read somewhere that all but 2 NBA teams lost money last year. Owners prolly wanna get rid of garunteed contracts so there's not turds like Dan Gadzuric sitting on the bench makin 7 million