i usually try to buy both the 2k and EA series of both basketball and football and the 2k series just ends up sittin...so i hate when ppl try to say i only buy madden or live cause EA has brain-washed me or some shit,or i'm "buying into the hype" if by hype they mean a superior game than so be it....but like i said,i try both,and the 2k basketball is dope,probably the closest a game has gotten to competing with an EA title,but last year i just stopped playing 2k and have been off live ever since...and as far as football goes,there is no competition...madden is for true football fans,espn is for video game football fans