Kaepernick National Anthem Protest

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Kaepernick said he felt it would be hypocritical for him to vote because it would be the equivalent of showing support for a system he doesn't believe in. He also said the choice of Trump should increase the urgency for everyone to work toward solutions to make the system better.

I don't think he should be criticized for that I think his logic is sound. If his reason for not voting is because he believes the process is broken and corrupt, then he's right. He also said there are other ways to create change which is absolutely right. Now, whether or not what he's doing personally is creating change that's up for debate but he had created a whole lot of conversation that's for certain.

I agree with you though, on a local level you can accomplish a lot more and I'm not sure if that's something he considered or if he was just focused on the presidential election. I don't know his motives other than what he stated but throughout history there are plenty of examples of voter boycotts.

One example that immediately comes to mind is The Bolsheviks advocated an active boycott of the Duma. Lenin called the Duma, introduced into the Russian Empire by Tsar Nicholas II in 1906, a "fraud that must be exposed". Boycott meaning refusing to take part in the elections. "Why do we refuse to take part in the elections?
Because by taking part in the elections we should involuntarily foster belief in the Duma among the people and thereby weaken the effectiveness of our struggle against this travesty of popular representation." And he goes on to list more reasons here - Lenin: Should We Boycott the State Duma?
Great explanation.

I am still not understanding how someone making a capitalist $14plus million salary claims he doesn't want to take part in a system he doesn't believe in, as if the US political system is separate from the US financial and economic systems, which it isn't.....

I guess he only partakes in the parts that benefit him the most (quite typical of humans in general) and airs a faux change expressionism to appear is making some great stand. When he gives that whole salary to the cause, then we should believe him. Word to Manute Bol.
 
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Yes my biggest take-away from it apart from the never-ending meddling in foreign affairs is the question of whether a government can successfully govern in a time when people rely more on, and derive their sense of self from corporations and banks than on the government or nation itself.
At the end of the day it is almost expected that to successfully govern this many people you will need to please all important players in said people's lives.
 
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This Is Weird, I Thought About It. Most All People That Say Standing For The Nation Is The Most Important Thing, But God Is The Most Important Thing. Then The Nation Doesn't Stand For God And No Body Is Counting On Them Too Either But Still "Stand For The Flag." But By Far We Have In Motion At least Something To Stand For In This Nation I Believe More Things Than To Sit But Not Everyone. God Bless, Jah Above Em All The Flag.

Edit: Boycott The NFL Or Boycott The Government? "Jehovah Nissi - The Lord Is My Banner, What Is The Fact That Tripoli Said Never To Stand For Him As The Nation Itself? Which Flag, Solitude Standing For Something Has Never Meant So Much For Kapaernick Or The Nation?

My Liberty Isn't In Which The Nation Stands, All My Liberty Is In My Master. My Statue Of Liberty Is That Of Christ Or Something Resembling Christ, So To The Flag. I Pull For Kaepernick Because He Is A Human Being And I Have A Relationship Of Being Fed Up On Being Told How Devine This Nation Is Also.

I'm A Direct Descendant Of A Signer Of The Declaration Of Independence, And You Can Form Any Government Into Any Form You Want, But It Doesn't Have To Be The One We Have. We Can See That Government Has Sentimental Things Towards God, But No Past Obtaining Him Or His Commands. And All I Mean By Forming Your Own Government Is There Is Already Mold.

The United States To Me Is A Friendly Foreign Nation So Is It Affairs It Shares With Me, The Bible Says We Are Aliens. Also If You Don't Build On The Foundation That Is Christ It Will Be Burned In The Fire And Destroyed, So Why Put Myself In Something And Build On It That Will Be Burned And Destroyed, Unless It Is To Reconcile God To It?

So Stand For God, Stand For Our Nation, Why Should We Turn A Blind Eye?
 
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Great explanation.

I am still not understanding how someone making a capitalist $14plus million salary claims he doesn't want to take part in a system he doesn't believe in, as if the US political system is separate from the US financial and economic systems, which it isn't.....

I guess he only partakes in the parts that benefit him the most (quite typical of humans in general) and airs a faux change expressionism to appear is making some great stand. When he gives that whole salary to the cause, then we should believe him. Word to Manute Bol.
I doubt Kaepernick is all that deep and it seems he was just recently woken to certain aspects of this country, I'm assuming this is very early on in whatever journey or path he's headed towards, basically he's going through what a lot of us went through when we were 14/15 years old. Except he's going through it as a famous millionaire. Before all of this, he always struck me as kind of an idiot to be honest, but I think it's good to see him interested in positive change and things going on with this country outside of football, whereas before he seemed like your typical young famous athlete, posting pictures nonstop of all his material wealth like his sneaker collection and whatnot. To his credit a lot of athletes don't care or stay silent, for exactly this reason (backlash, potentially hurting his career) so in that regard it's admirable.

There have been plenty of other star athletes over the years who have taken stands, like Jim Brown. They are too far and in-between though, especially these days it seems, besides whatever celebrity charity their managers get them involved in.
 
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I doubt Kaepernick is all that deep and it seems he was just recently woken to certain aspects of this country, I'm assuming this is very early on in whatever journey or path he's headed towards, basically he's going through what a lot of us went through when we were 14/15 years old. Except he's going through it as a famous millionaire. Before all of this, he always struck me as kind of an idiot to be honest, but I think it's good to see him interested in positive change and things going on with this country outside of football, whereas before he seemed like your typical young famous athlete, posting pictures nonstop of all his material wealth like his sneaker collection and whatnot. To his credit a lot of athletes don't care or stay silent, for exactly this reason (backlash, potentially hurting his career) so in that regard it's admirable.

There have been plenty of other star athletes over the years who have taken stands, like Jim Brown. They are too far and in-between though, especially these days it seems, besides whatever celebrity charity their managers get them involved in.
I wonder what actually "woke" him up? I'm curious to know.
I always had doubts about what was being fed to me in school. Started having real doubts when I discovered slavery when I was 9 years old. Didn't actually wake up until around the age you described, 16 years old in 11th grade english. Did a paper on the bay of pigs. Did another paper on the CIA fake war on drugs which blew me away while doing research for it. Ever since then i've been a tinfoil head!
 

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I wonder what actually "woke" him up? I'm curious to know.
I always had doubts about what was being fed to me in school. Started having real doubts when I discovered slavery when I was 9 years old. Didn't actually wake up until around the age you described, 16 years old in 11th grade english. Did a paper on the bay of pigs. Did another paper on the CIA fake war on drugs which blew me away while doing research for it. Ever since then i've been a tinfoil head!
He started dating one of those black power liberal islamic dykes. Not even kidding lol
 
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Being that he was adopted by well-off white "American Dream" parents, he was probably more coddled and helicoptered, and could be why he is so easily swayed by a woman's opinions aka pussy-whipped. He probably grew up without a sense of identity and he is still seeking that.
 
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Being that he was adopted by well-off white "American Dream" parents, he was probably more coddled and helicoptered, and could be why he is so easily swayed by a woman's opinions.
The coddling blinded him. Nessa woke him up. I'm all for it no matter the source. Not kneeling for the anthem ain't gonna cut it though imo.
 
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agreed, stand for something or fall for anything.....
As poetic and beautiful as your statement is--usually people are still falling for anything even when they think they are standing for something.
All options are the same shit twisted hypocritical nonsense.

It boggles my mind when I see people vouching with their body heart and soul for the truth of their convictions, whilst all along fitting snug into the demographic that birthed them and in full compliance with the anticipation of every nuance in their voice and every landmark on their face and everything held near and dear to them.
They kill for it. They die for it.

Can we understand that the injustice would be the same if the circumstances made the weak strong and the strong weak?
Would the poor palestinians share the land with the jews if they were shipped wholesale into it and empowered with so much funding?

Not at all. Because at the end of the day we are all environment playing itself out. The circumstances use us. You can move around the players all you want and the circumstances will give rise to the same situation.
 
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Good Questions Or Theory Overlooked Is A Stumbling Block To Those Who Stand For Something, The Good Will Power To Get Back Up Can Cancel The Hurt And Foolishness Of Which You Fell.

Don't Stand Surely On Something Unless You Know It Is A Rock, And How Many Things That Aren't A Rock, Are?

Edit: If Something Re-arranged Me, I Would Re-arrange It Back With The Compliance Of Learning Of What May Be Taught From It.
 
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Good Questions Or Theory Overlooked Is A Stumbling Block To Those Who Stand For Something, The Good Will Power To Get Back Up Can Cancel The Hurt And Foolishness Of Which You Fell.

Don't Stand Surely On Something Unless You Know It Is A Rock, And How Many Things That Aren't A Rock, Are?

Edit: If Something Re-arranged Me, I Would Re-arrange It Back With The Compliance Of Learning Of What May Be Taught From It.
Is this a title of a book or something?