Juan Williams: Fired for saying this?

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hey I resemble that remark. I think there's a certain place for humor that's inappropriate but still funny. Death shouldn't be a funny subject but we all laugh when Kenny from South Park is killed. I think though, if you're in a news environment you shouldn't press your views onto the people, it should be unbiased unless given the expressed notion that it is comical views based on actual evens such as the daily show or the colbert report or fox news network.
There is a certain place for humor, I agree.

The point is, dude said something that may not have been acceptable to some, and he's being treated like a racist. He made a statement about a religion and traditional clothing linked to that religion. He didn't say "Muslims are crazy terrorists and I hate them all." He said he feels uncomfortable around them at the airport. I feel uncomfortable around Jehova's Witnesses...does that make me a bigot?

Everybody in this country needs a fuckin' enema. Political correctness is out of control, and so is this censorship bullshit.
 
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The point is, dude said something that may not have been acceptable to some, and he's being treated like a racist. He made a statement about a religion and traditional clothing linked to that religion. He didn't say "Muslims are crazy terrorists and I hate them all." He said he feels uncomfortable around them at the airport. I feel uncomfortable around Jehova's Witnesses...does that make me a bigot?

Everybody in this country needs a fuckin' enema. Political correctness is out of control, and so is this censorship bullshit.
spoken like a true racist
 
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Issues should be explored, through objective reporting. I don't give a fuck what Juan Williams BELIEVES, but when he starts publicly stating his biases, hes lost the ability to be a passive observer and joined the dialogue as a participant. NPR employees arent allowed to go the the Stewart/Colbert rally, or go as participants to public political events of any kind. Its not about his feeling its about the innappropriet forum he chose to express them in.
I agree except for I think it's through discussion that issues should be explored and I think Muslims could do a lot more to lead that discussion..
 

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I agree except for I think it's through discussion that issues should be explored and I think Muslims could do a lot more to lead that discussion..
There's definately a place for discussion, but its not the role of a journalist to participate in that discussion, only to encourage it. If williams wants to participate--as is his right--then he shouldn't be employed by a news agency, and Fox is probably the right place for him, not NPR.
 
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spoken like a true racist
LOL! Nothing I said pertains to race.

That's another thing. Race gets thrown into EVERYTHING...even when it's not the topic of discussion.

My advice is to go back to school and learn the difference between religion and race...and then explain to me how hating this politically correct bullshit makes somebody racist. I don't condone racism one bit, nor do I condone hate speech...but I do condone free speech.
 
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i dont feel nervous around muslims. i go to mosques. one of my best friends is muslim, and my brother is on his way to converting

thats still a common view. even though tv, ie fox news, has pushed that view...its still a common view and doesn't need to be censored

should labels fire rappers for all the homophobic shit they say??
lol here we go...
 
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I still don't get the big deal when somebody says "My best friend is...."

You can't be that close to something you can't stand. You can't ride or die for somebody who is part of a group you supposedly "hate". So if your numero uno is white and you're black...is muslim and you're Christian...is gay and you're straight...you can't really qualify as a "bigot".

If you grew up knowing some racist cats and homophobes, you'd understand. And if they are "racist" or "bigots" but stay in close contact with those they "hate", they are just full of shit.
 
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^^^???. or i could of said ive spent more quality time in mosques and with muslims (in and out of america) than you (unless you're muslim yourself)...and many on the sicc...

..but thats besides the point and this has nothing to do with that.

ultimately, though, i guess fox news is probably a better place for juan and where he preferred to be.

but i would just like to hear npr delve into the issue and discuss it more (it would of been even better to have done that with juan). we know fox news will discuss, but it in a slanted way. all the npr listeners should be treated to a healthy dialogue on the issue....cause as liberal as npr's fanbase seems to be, i know it has its yuppy listeners who deep down inside may feel the same way as juan. again, it'd be good for them to listen to a discussion of why having such fears is ultimately silly
 
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An Open Letter to Juan Williams from Michael Moore

Dear Juan,

Sorry to hear you got fired by National Public Radio for saying on Fox that you get nervous when you see Muslims on a plane with you. It was dumb to say such a thing, but I don't think saying one dumb thing should be a firing offense. (I do think an NPR journalist wanting to take money from Fox News to be a regular commentator should be a firing offense, but that's another story).

But there's more to this -- and some important things that everyone is missing.

For instance, what you said about Faisal Shazad, the Pakistani immigrant who wanted to bomb Times Square. When he was being sentenced this month, he claimed, according to you, that his attempted attack was just "the first drop of blood." We can't let political correctness blind us to this, you explained.

I guess Shahzad made a big impression on you, because after being fired you went back on Fox and told them, "You can't ignore the fact what has recently been said in court with regard to 'this is the first drop of blood in a Muslim war against America.'"

Sadly for you (and this is also why you shouldn't be working for a real news organization like NPR), Shahzad never said that. If you were a real journalist, you would have quoted him accurately. What he actually said was that he was the "first droplet of the flood," not blood. But I know how easy it is to mishear things when scary Muslims are talking. And I guess it's not a huge difference anyway.

What really matters is that you're 100% right: We shouldn't let political correctness stop us from paying close attention to what people like Shahzad say. The problem is you just haven't taken it far enough.

So Juan, I'm asking you to join me on a crusade -- whoops! scratch that, let's call it a "mission" -- to publicize these statements by Faisal Shahzad as widely as possible. Because most of the media have not spent much time on what he had to say.

Here's what he said at his recent sentencing (after talking about being a droplet in a flood):

[Saladin] liberated Muslim lands... And that's what we Muslims are trying do, because you're occupying Iraq and Afghanistan... So, the past nine years the war with Muslims has achieved nothing for the U.S., except for it has waken up the Muslims for Islam. We are only Muslims trying to defend our people, honor, and land. But if you call us terrorists for doing that, then we are proud terrorists, and we will keep on terrorizing until you leave our land and people at peace.

And this is what Shahzad said when he plead guilty back in June:

I want to plead guilty, and I'm going to plead guilty 100 times over, because until the hour the U.S. pulls its forces from Iraq and Afghanistan, and stops the drone strikes in Somalia and Yemen and in Pakistan, and stops the occupation of Muslim lands, and stops killing the Muslims, and stops reporting the Muslims to its government, we will be attacking U.S., and I plead guilty to that.

Then there's email that Shahzad sent to a friend in 2006:

Everyone knows the current situation of Muslim World... Friends with peaceful protest! Can you tell me a way to save the oppressed? And a way to fight back when rockets are fired at us and Muslim blood flows? In Palestine, Afghan, Iraq, Chechnya and else where.

And then there's what Shahzad was telling friends and relatives even before that:

Mr. Shahzad had long been critical of American foreign policy. "He was always very upset about the fabrication of the W.M.D. stunt to attack Iraq and killing non-combatants such as the sons and grandson of Saddam Hussein," said a close relative. In 2003, Mr. Shahzad had been copied on a Google Groups e-mail message bearing photographs of Guantánamo Bay detainees, handcuffed and crouching, below the words "Shame on you, Bush. Shame on You."

So what do you say, Juan? Now that you have a new $2 million contract with Fox, let me come on with you for some in-depth discussions about the terrorists' real motivations. We can't let another day go by letting the PC brigade stop us from telling the truth: Terrorists aren't trying to kill us because they hate our freedom. They're killing us because we're in their countries killing them.

Yours,

Michael Moore

P.S. If you want to understand suicide bombings, be sure to read the new book that studied every instance of it for the past 30 years. It's been used by many groups of many religions, not just Arabs and not just Muslims. And almost all such terrorism has one motivation in common: occupation by foreign militaries.


P.P.S. Here's something else that I'd sincerely love to talk about with you: what do you think when you see rich middle-aged white men talking on TV about how they get nervous around African Americans on the street? And then they explain that we can't let political correctness stop us from talking about black-on-white crime?


Does it drive you crazy that they say this without even being conscious of the history of far greater violence by white people toward blacks? And do you maybe understand now how those middle-aged white guys get it so wrong?

UPDATE: Juan, you probably remember in 1986 when the Washington Post Magazine ran a Richard Cohen column defending jewelry store owners who wouldn't buzz in young black men. It caused such a big controversy that the New Republic ran a bunch of responses to it, including one by you. You might find it interesting to go back and read what you wrote then -- for instance, "Racism is a lazy man's substitute for using good judgment... Common sense becomes racism when skin color becomes a formula for figuring out who is a danger to me."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-moore/juan-williams-is-right-po_b_772766.html