IYO..What came befor the ''big bang theory''
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This kid.
Have you ever read another book and believed everything in it as well?
Have you ever read another book and believed everything in it as well?
in that case, why is it ok to jump to a conclusion that there is no god based on misinformation. we obviously dont have enough information about prayer to make it work every time, or even to make it work for everyone, but for some people it works. so according to your statement its illogical to rule it out. and there is missing information about god being that you cant observe him really, so his existence is ruled out? is there a double standard or can you use some big words to try and prove my questions and logic fallacious?
wait, wait, this is not true
everybody who has ever been healed after being prayed for could have and almost certainly did so because his condition was treatable or reversible...
when you do the proper controlled experiment, you always get the same results: prayers DOES NOT WORK
You can not count only the positive results, much less when they occur after medical treatment or in cases where it was possible for the disease to go away by itself
Only a miracle like an amputated limb growing back can support the idea that prayer work, and nothing of this sort has ever happened
everybody who has ever been healed after being prayed for could have and almost certainly did so because his condition was treatable or reversible...
when you do the proper controlled experiment, you always get the same results: prayers DOES NOT WORK
You can not count only the positive results, much less when they occur after medical treatment or in cases where it was possible for the disease to go away by itself
Only a miracle like an amputated limb growing back can support the idea that prayer work, and nothing of this sort has ever happened
Because the time for miracles has passed and the bible says that in the time of the end, god will not perform miracles as the world lies in the power of the wicked one. So God does not heal those that are sick at this time. No one that has been "miraculously" cured has been cured by God, and most of those are marketing ploys by false religions to get you to convert/join their religion.
Then under this logic the same can be said about the universe - the universe has always existed, or existence has always existed. You cannot rule this out as a possibility if you accept it true for "god."
Also Big E, you cannot use the bible to prove the bible :eyecross: it's just stupid. It's like a Hindu trying to prove to you something by referring to their religious texts.
@thatguy, when did I ever jump to the conclusion that there is no god based on misinformation???
The missing data I speak of has nothing to do with my Atheism. My Atheism is based on 1). No evidence for a god or gods (not missing data, there is NONE) and 2). No evidence for the supernatural.
Regarding prayer, the largest scientific study ever conducted on prayer proved it does not work SOURCE
The only thing prayer may do is make believers feel a little better about themselves (if they are aware people are praying for them of course), but this has to do with positive thinking (your chances of recovering from an illness are higher when a person is happy/optimistic vs. sad/depressed).
Also Big E, you cannot use the bible to prove the bible :eyecross: it's just stupid. It's like a Hindu trying to prove to you something by referring to their religious texts.
@thatguy, when did I ever jump to the conclusion that there is no god based on misinformation???
The missing data I speak of has nothing to do with my Atheism. My Atheism is based on 1). No evidence for a god or gods (not missing data, there is NONE) and 2). No evidence for the supernatural.
Regarding prayer, the largest scientific study ever conducted on prayer proved it does not work SOURCE
The only thing prayer may do is make believers feel a little better about themselves (if they are aware people are praying for them of course), but this has to do with positive thinking (your chances of recovering from an illness are higher when a person is happy/optimistic vs. sad/depressed).
EH! Wrong, he listens to all prayers and he answers them all. The answer you will get is Yes, No, or Wait! Even if an atheist prays God will hear his prayers regardless, but that does not mean he will truly harken unto them. Now the Only Prayer God hears is that of John 9:31, the prayers of the righteous. In the book of proverbs God says the prayer of an unrighteous man is in vain. But if you pray for Salvation and truly seek him, he will come and hear you. You are being foolish in what you say, if you Study hard enough you won't be blinded by these man made creeds and dogmas which you follow.
If you really want the truth, go beyond what men what you to understand, Walk with YHWH. I am a Jehovah's Witness, why? Because I follow and live his word, not those of Men.
This too in False, If I explain it to you it would be in Vain. If you understand the concept of the Holy Ghost then you would understand what I'm taking about. But I'll save it for later dude.
Again your causing more confusion, adding a list to the many discrepancies about modern healing and miracles. Just put it to rest and get out a real bible not the watch tower Bible. Miracles and Healings are different. Miracles happen in an instant, Healings occur during a space of time, it's a process not an instant.
Just like the Jehovah witnesses, who will sell their God, SAYING IF you're not a Jehovah Witness you're going to hell. Truth is, Salvation comes through Jesus Christ his Son, not a denomination, a lodge, a cult, a church, but through his son.
If you really want the truth, go beyond what men what you to understand, Walk with YHWH. I am a Jehovah's Witness, why? Because I follow and live his word, not those of Men.
This too in False, If I explain it to you it would be in Vain. If you understand the concept of the Holy Ghost then you would understand what I'm taking about. But I'll save it for later dude.
Again your causing more confusion, adding a list to the many discrepancies about modern healing and miracles. Just put it to rest and get out a real bible not the watch tower Bible. Miracles and Healings are different. Miracles happen in an instant, Healings occur during a space of time, it's a process not an instant.
Just like the Jehovah witnesses, who will sell their God, SAYING IF you're not a Jehovah Witness you're going to hell. Truth is, Salvation comes through Jesus Christ his Son, not a denomination, a lodge, a cult, a church, but through his son.
Well if you honestly believe this, then I suggest suicide right away as your remedy.
and actually you DONT KNOW, but you believe you will have to answer to GOD.
What is amazing to me is that you believe the BIBLE is inspired by GOD, but..........do you know how many other books were inspired by "God" as well?
MANY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
God was a ancient Steven King! He was writing all sorts of fucked up stories!
how do you know there is none? you dont. just cause YOU havent found god doesnt mean he isnt out there, and yes this is missing information being that some talk with god and others dont, they dont have the information on how to do such cause they dont look for it. you have missing info on how to observe god, so therefor you havent found a way, which you automatically jump to the idea there is no god due to this. this makes no sense to me. it makes no sense to rule something completely when you cant prove it doesnt exist
Then under this logic the same can be said about the universe - the universe has always existed, or existence has always existed. You cannot rule this out as a possibility if you accept it true for "god."
No, the universe was created by God. Even Space was created by God. Planets, Stars, Etc.
Also Big E, you cannot use the bible to prove the bible :eyecross: it's just stupid. It's like a Hindu trying to prove to you something by referring to their religious texts.
All I'm saying is that the answers are in the bible and the bible alone.
@thatguy, when did I ever jump to the conclusion that there is no god based on misinformation???
The missing data I speak of has nothing to do with my Atheism. My Atheism is based on 1). No evidence for a god or gods (not missing data, there is NONE) and 2). No evidence for the supernatural.
There is no physical evidence of his presence other than everything you see around you, because As I told you last night, the time for miracles has past and until world has been made perfect by God, it is in the power of the wicked one. That's why we have to have faith, this is all a test, a test to prove Satan wrong and to the rest of all creation that Jehovah knows what's best for us and no to go against him.
Regarding prayer, the largest scientific study ever conducted on prayer proved it does not work SOURCE
How can you prove by science if god is listening to you talk to him? That's all that prayer is, talking to god, thanking him, and asking for forgiveness, wisdom, disernment,. You don't ask god for miracles, for the power to heal, for more $$$, for anything materially, THE TIME FOR MIRACLES IS OVER AS I STATED LAST NIGHT. There is no scientific test for proving that prayer works.
The only thing prayer may do is make believers feel a little better about themselves (if they are aware people are praying for them of course), but this has to do with positive thinking (your chances of recovering from an illness are higher when a person is happy/optimistic vs. sad/depressed).
The purpose of prayer is NOT to please you, but to form a better relationship with god.
No, the universe was created by God. Even Space was created by God. Planets, Stars, Etc.
Also Big E, you cannot use the bible to prove the bible :eyecross: it's just stupid. It's like a Hindu trying to prove to you something by referring to their religious texts.
All I'm saying is that the answers are in the bible and the bible alone.
@thatguy, when did I ever jump to the conclusion that there is no god based on misinformation???
The missing data I speak of has nothing to do with my Atheism. My Atheism is based on 1). No evidence for a god or gods (not missing data, there is NONE) and 2). No evidence for the supernatural.
There is no physical evidence of his presence other than everything you see around you, because As I told you last night, the time for miracles has past and until world has been made perfect by God, it is in the power of the wicked one. That's why we have to have faith, this is all a test, a test to prove Satan wrong and to the rest of all creation that Jehovah knows what's best for us and no to go against him.
Regarding prayer, the largest scientific study ever conducted on prayer proved it does not work SOURCE
How can you prove by science if god is listening to you talk to him? That's all that prayer is, talking to god, thanking him, and asking for forgiveness, wisdom, disernment,. You don't ask god for miracles, for the power to heal, for more $$$, for anything materially, THE TIME FOR MIRACLES IS OVER AS I STATED LAST NIGHT. There is no scientific test for proving that prayer works.
The only thing prayer may do is make believers feel a little better about themselves (if they are aware people are praying for them of course), but this has to do with positive thinking (your chances of recovering from an illness are higher when a person is happy/optimistic vs. sad/depressed).
The purpose of prayer is NOT to please you, but to form a better relationship with god.
im saying lack of knowledge shouldnt mean lack of existence. you should never rule something out because you dont have all the knowledge, doesnt mean you should believe it, but at least consider it unless you can without a doubt disprove it. and miracles will either not be believed or people will explain it as some type of science, so who will record it without seeing it himself?