IYO..What came befor the ''big bang theory''

[PERV_ART]

Its hard for my mind to ponder what was out there befor the ''big bang''...
Was the universe a nothingless hole of anti matter A.K.A. dark matter?
Or is the earth we know today just a random series of events leading to microbs from space landing on earth and starting from one celled micro organism over billions of years evolution.
To what we know today as our earth/ solor system.
Did god create dinosours and if he did for what reason?
Why not just start out with man as he intented to in the first place..
Why waste a couple million years on creatures that have no skills other than eating each other for survival...It makes no since to me. ''IF'' gods plan was to in habit the earth with people why didnt he do it first . Instead of having billions of years of dinosaurs and creatures with no real problem solving skills.


I would just like to know what some other peoples opinions are on this matter...Thanks for your time...

 

[PERV_ART]

Thanks for your input .....

 

[ThaG]

nobody knows the answer

as nhojsmith said, the problem of how we perceive time is crucial here;

but I want to point that we not only don't know what happened before the bang (if this question even makes sense), we don't know what happened immediately after the bang (the first 10^-43 seconds) and it will be necessary to develop understanding of these very early stage before we can go even further back

 

[FreedomLost]

Some answers will remain that due to the limitation of human understanding.

.Why waste a couple million years on creatures that have no skills other than eating each other for survival

Fossil fuels

 

[thatguy]

^ hit the nail on the head, i was about to say that

 

[Formaldehyde Rx]

Yeah look how great fossil fuels have worked out or was that just part of the plan to make Izreal the center of the world?

Your answer from my perspective is this:
A hypothesis compounded from theorys.
There was an infinate void with one minute interdimentional singularity which expanded superexponentially concentrating all or maybe a portion of the substance we call matter from that other dimension at that one tiny point until a critical mass was reached at its core and then BANG!!!

 

[PERV_ART]

Thanks guys I just wanted to see it from some other prospectives...

 

[HiLsyde707Kloun]

The Foreplay Theory

 

[HiLsyde707Kloun]

I'm one of those cooky Christians who believe that God, or a higher being, created the universe and everything good and natural in it. But that is a very interesting and thought provoking question that no one can answer because none of us were there to witness or have any legit evidence as to what happened. That's just what I think, if you wanna bash me, go ahead, but I'm not in the mood for arguing.

 

[ParkBoyz]

this is a classic philosphical question.

More like a scientific one.

the common answer is that whether its "god" or nature, either existence has always been, or at some point something came from nothing.

The evidence clearly suggests that there was a beginning. Nothing beyond speculation has been demonstrated to the contrary.

for example, if you say god is responsible for eveything, then what was here before god? most people would say god always existed.

The fallacy here, and the illogic behind it is to dispute the very possibility that it was an invocation from an external force (a stagnant entity cannot go into motion unless acted on by an external force. Basic physics), even though it is allowed.

if you reject the idea of the bearded man in the throne, and simply believe in natural law, you still have the same problem, what came before the big bang, what came before existence? you get the same answers, either it always existed, or something came from nothing.

I agree with this actually, which was most likely your initial point of view, from a agnostic perspective, which is a lot more logically sound than the reductionist atheist approach.

remember this is all affected by our biased understanding of time.

Good insight..

 

[ParkBoyz]

I'm one of those cooky Christians who believe that God, or a higher being, created the universe and everything good and natural in it. But that is a very interesting and thought provoking question that no one can answer because none of us were there to witness or have any legit evidence as to what happened. That's just what I think, if you wanna bash me, go ahead, but I'm not in the mood for arguing.

This is the question that leave atheists running with their tail between their legs while they change the subject, or conveniently appeal to mystery. It works every single time since there's only two answers to the question, both of which are supposedly illogical.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

This is the question that leave atheists running with their tail between their legs while they change the subject, or conveniently appeal to mystery. It works every single time since there's only two answers to the question, both of which are supposedly illogical.

LOL@running with our tails between our legs!

The answer is we simply do not know - there is missing data. That of course doesn't suggest there is a god, because it would be illogical of course to jump to a conclusion simply because there is missing information.

 

[ParkBoyz]

LOL@running with our tails between our legs!

My bad. Was that just rhetoric? It was harmless, nonetheless.

The answer is we simply do not know - there is missing data.

Where? How do you know that? What are the other possibilities that this "missing data" may reveal?

That of course doesn't suggest there is a god

Nor does it suggest that there isn't and it certainly allows for one.

, because it would be illogical of course to jump to a conclusion simply because there is missing information.

Not really, since it is an inference. An inference consisting of something being able to come from nothing or something, and what you choose to label that "something" given your position on which is more plausible (nothing or something).

 

[Syko Sniper]

I have always wondered how time and space or anything started. God doesnt just appear this is BS, who made him and what the was before him? when did space first exist?

 

[ParkBoyz]

I have always wondered how time and space or anything started. God doesnt just appear this is BS, who made him and what the was before him? when did space first exist?

Asking what came before God is like asking what is time. Does time also need a creator (?) is the question, seeing as how prior to the big bang, neither time nor space even existed.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

My bad. Was that just rhetoric? It was harmless, nonetheless.

no worries

Where? How do you know that? What are the other possibilities that this "missing data" may reveal?

What do you mean how do I know? We don't have any information on what happened prior to the big bang. I don't know what the missing data will reveal.

Nor does it suggest that there isn't

And I never said it doesn't disprove God. We are in agreeance here.

and it certainly allows for one.

Depends on how you define god.

Not really, since it is an inference. An inference consisting of something being able to come from nothing or something, and what you choose to label that "something" given your position on which is more plausible (nothing or something).

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[JLMACN]

Interesting to see this thread develope. As one can see, some of us want to know more, some of us think the answer is already revealed, and some of us simply do not care.

5000

 

[chronicicetea]

LOL@running with our tails between our legs!

The answer is we simply do not know - there is missing data. That of course doesn't suggest there is a god, because it would be illogical of course to jump to a conclusion simply because there is missing information.

sounds like the big bang theory? As others have pointed out perception of time is a very important part of this question. If you are asking this question and are stuck in the view of a linear since of time, you are going to have fun.

 

[Big E]

I have always wondered how time and space or anything started. God doesnt just appear this is BS, who made him and what the was before him? when did space first exist?

The bible says that Jehovah has always existed and his first creation was Michael the archangel or Jesus

 

[JLMACN]

The bible says that Jehovah has always existed and his first creation was Michael the archangel or Jesus

This kid.




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