If every one followed the bible.. wouldn't the world be a better place?

[n9newunsixx5150]

If everyone followed the Bible leaves the variable, as Heresy mentioned, pertaining to interpretation. The same may be said with any general religious designation: Islam, Hinduism, Judaism, etc.

And then even within the sects that are within these general religious designations, it sometimes happens that they break up over some dispute, creating new sects. This is the age we are living in: quarrel & hypocrisy.

If there were no desire for material opulence, then there would be no degradation, as there has been. In some cases it is harder because we're dealing with texts in another language and are without a bonafide representative of God to rightly explain these texts. Therefore speculation results.

Personally, I could say that if everyone followed Vedanta texts like Bhagavad-Gita, Srimad Bhagavatam, Sri Isopanisad, Brahma Samhita, etc. as they have been passed down through the Brahma-Madhva-Gaudiya Sampradaya, then the world would be a better place, and I would have more faith in saying this than simply saying, "if everyone followed the Vedas..." or "if everyone followed the Bible..." or "if everyone followed the Koran..."

 

[HERESY]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannibalism_(zoology)

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n..._cannibal.html

canibalism was commonspread until very recently in South America, Central Africa and Papua and is still widespread in the latter two, the list of tribes practicing it is long

obviously you have to kill people to eat them

1. Why did you post those links?

2. You don't have to KILL people to eat them. There have been KNOWN cases where people have died and others consumed their flesh in order to survive. They didn't have to KILL these people because they died on their own (due to starvation or some other factor) so what is your point? That all cannibals KILL? If so that is a misconception on your part not mine.

 

[Deadpool]

If we all followed the bible there would still be rape, incest, thievery, murder, etc.

Daughters seducing fathers.

Brothers killing whole towns.

Sons raping sisters.

Etc.

Etc.

Etc.

 

[HERESY]

the Bible wasn't the cause of human sacrifice amongst the Aztecs but it was a major cause of their extermination (!)

How was it a major cause of their extermination, and thanks for failing to address the other points I made. +1,000,000 for me.

So far it hasn't done much to stop the process either...

When you say "it" are you making reference to the bible or mankind?

many out of many more isn't that many

Son, you aren't making ANY sense right about now. How am I supoosed to make any sense out of this:

many people follow the Bible just because there are too god damn people out there

What do YOU mean by, "many people follow the Bible just because there are too god damn people out there"????????????

then you have to think over it again...

Son, when you type the madness that you do I need to do more than think over it again. What exactly are you trying to convey or what do you want to convey because your words don't make any sense. READ WHAT YOU ARE TYPING. It doesn't make ANY sense at all. Go back, correct the typos and spend more time trying to clarify your points, because I simply don't get what you're talking about.

it's the people who USE these products who should be blamed...

So the people who develop these products for financial gain have no responsibility? The people who develop due to special interest have no responsibility? Where did the need to use these products come from?

very simple - if you:

1. understand how you having 10 children will affect the planet, you won't have 10 children

Wrong. You may STILL go ahead and have ten children because there is nothing PROHIBITING you from doing it.

2. are enitrely focused on proving theorems in abstract algebra, you definitely won't have 10 children

Why not?

3. know basic biology well enough, you will use condoms

What if you are allergic to them or don't like the way they feel?

I have no problems derived from premarital sex, while a lot of otherwise "good christians" have think about it

It is obvious you are discussing something you know nothing about and seek only to bible bash.

yes, I'm not a native speaker, I hope this will make you a little happier

Ok, that explains it. No it doesn't make ME happier, but it should make YOU happier.

BTW have you ever thought how many great philosophers have english speaking countries produced and how many came out of Germany for example?

The only good thing to ever come from Germany is a Maybach. Nothing else remotely important or useful has ever come from germany.

There is an interesting theory that the underlying cause is the simplicity of English compared to the complexity of some of the other languages which develop your brain better suited for abstract thinking

That is interesting considering the english language is actually a bastardization of several others. I'll look into that.

think about it before you insult people you don't know

I will as soon as you make sure you proof read your material before it is posted.

 

[HERESY]

If we all followed the bible there would still be rape, incest, thievery, murder, etc.

Daughters seducing fathers.

Brothers killing whole towns.

Sons raping sisters.

Etc.

Etc.

Etc.

The same would happen if we read comics.

 

[Deadpool]

The same would happen if we read comics.

Exactly! Of course you would have to base your culture and morality around them. Not regard them as fiction and believe them to be absolute, perfect, and unchangeable. You would need to accept their content as universal and disregard any rational analysis of the world around you in exchange for their word. And somehow, amongst it all, believe you’re not deluding yourself.



:dead: 'ed yourself

 

[iaoish]

@ Heresy - Spain, Italy, Japan etc. were all affiliated with the Nazi's and they are not really blond or have blue eyes. I'm not even gonna start talkin about the middle east affiliates. I'm not saying that the world would be a better place though...

Anyway, I think Buddhism would take the number one spot in this discussion!

Most Spanish and Italian consider themselfes white.

I think it depends if you want to follow the old or the new testament. If we all started to follow the old testament we all be still living in a pretty messed up world, God did send his son for a reason...

 

[ThaG]

@HERESY

I posted a thread yeasterday, nobody has yet replied

http://www.siccness.net/vb/showthread.php?t=223014

I'm curious what you have to say about it

 

[HERESY]

Exactly! Of course you would have to base your culture and morality around them.

Some people actually do this.

Not regard them as fiction and believe them to be absolute, perfect, and unchangeable.

Whats wrong with looking at certain aspects of morality as absolute, perfect and unchangeable?

You would need to accept their content as universal and disregard any rational analysis of the world around you in exchange for their word.

If you were more focused on the stories and stencil styles that would be the case.

And somehow, amongst it all, believe you’re not deluding yourself.

By reading comics right?

'ed yourself

Sure Peter.

 

[HERESY]

murder, stealing, and rape are all natural in the animal kingdom to which we belong,

Those things would be natural for them due to their level of intelligence and reasoning behind their actions. How many animals murder, steal or rape because their parents couldn't give birth to them in a cave instead of the grasslands? 0. No compare that to the average white male (upper or middle class doesn't really matter) who commits suicide or guns down tweleve people because he lost money in stock trading or because his wife cheated on him.

well those of us not handpicked by god to party in heaven after our cells die.

Good, thats more food for me!

 

[Hutch]

Yet these people are responsible for experimenting on animals, creating weapons of mass destruction, and developing products that destroy the ozone layer and contribute to global warming.

And I suppose those of us in the field of scientific/technological research forced you and your kin to use these products which were tested on animals and that contributes to global warming? Did we hold your families at ransom and threatened to kill them if you didn't use these products? I don't remember that, if so however, then I apologise on behalf of the entire scientific community.

I love how you place the blame on all scientists for these 'wrongdoings'. And there you are telling me not to generalize about religion! On the flipside, there are scientists performing research to save animals lives and research on sustainable energy. Sure, weapons of mass destruction are nasty and the world would be a better place if they didn't exist, but if they are to be used, it won't be scientists pushing the button.

 

[I AM]

I was thinking that if everyone in the whole world followed the bible..

There would be no killing, hate, aids, murder, greed hunger etc.

No there would still be aging and death... But a lot of other problems like war would not exist.

I'm not saying the world would be better if we were all one religion...
but if everyone followed the morals in the bible..
lots of problems could be avoided...

what do you think?

I think it would suck (if everyone believed the bible was true, not if they had the same morals) cause everyone would be the same and nobody would ever ask any important questions about the universe or otherwise. Science wouldn't exist, therefore much of the things we "know" today wouldn't be around....probably like most medicine (especially chinese herbs)...and the countless items of technology...

as for the same morals...not killing, not stealing, not raping, etc...I actually agree with that, unless someone fucks with someone I care about...then I might think about killing...but it's not likely...stealing, yeah if someone jacked me, i'd fuck them up and take my shit back and any of their shit i could carry....but no on the rape..that's just uncalled for...

the thing is, most religions are the same at the basics....they pretty much all say don't be a fucking asshole, don't rape people, don't "murder" people, and shit like that...

Most people just SAY they are Christian, Catholic, etc but they really aren't.

but right and wrong is subjective....you can argue anything, and if you're logical you could make a good case on either side of any issue...

 

[I AM]

im jealous, seriously, i wish i could buy into the whole eternal paradise thing

You don't know exactly how he's experiencing what he is though, so you don't necessarily know anything that he's thinking, or how he thinks of it.

Just cause you might think he thinks of God as a persona type entity that he hangs out with and plays cars with, doesn't mean that Heresy thinks of it like that. For all you know, he thinks of the universe the same way you do, he just has different principles and ways of relating to it. :devious:

 

[HERESY]

And I suppose those of us in the field of scientific/technological research forced you and your kin to use these products which were tested on animals and that contributes to global warming?

For the most part you have.

Did we hold your families at ransom and threatened to kill them if you didn't use these products?

For most families thats exactly what you did. You held them at ransom mentally and didn't speak up when the big companies pumped adverts on the idiot-box 24-7, 365.

I love how you place the blame on all scientists for these 'wrongdoings'.

I didn't place the blame on all scientists. I placed the blame on those who THAg made reference to. He made reference to a specific group of scientists. Go back and read it, son.

And there you are telling me not to generalize about religion!

SEE ABOVE. Read next time.:classic:

On the flipside, there are scientists performing research to save animals lives and research on sustainable energy.

I agree, but thats not who we are talking about. Again, go back and read exactly what I was replying to.

Sure, weapons of mass destruction are nasty and the world would be a better place if they didn't exist, but if they are to be used, it won't be scientists pushing the button.

Aren't you the same person who argued with nhojsmith about selling weapons of mass destruction? Were you the person who implied that a certain country was responsible for another countries use of weapons? Are you implying that if a scientist develops a weapon, but he is not the one who pressed the button to launch a silo and kill 4,908,998 people, that he is not responsible? If so, what of your argument with nhojsmith?

 

[ThaG]

I think it would suck (if everyone believed the bible was true, not if they had the same morals) cause everyone would be the same and nobody would ever ask any important questions about the universe or otherwise. Science wouldn't exist, therefore much of the things we "know" today wouldn't be around....probably like most medicine (especially chinese herbs)...and the countless items of technology...

you don't need the bible to follow theses morals

neither you need any religion

the only thing religion can bring is hate and war (and it has given the world plenty of both)

we don't need religion to explain the surrounding world, we have science for that

do we need religion then?

 

[HERESY]

you don't need the bible to follow theses morals

Everyone partaking in this thread knows this, but some people DO need something that is structured and has guidelines.

neither you need any religion

see above.

the only thing religion can bring is hate and war (and it has given the world plenty of both)

One of the dumbest things posted on the siccness in 2007. If the ONLY thing religion can bring is hate and war, I need you to explain why certain people who are considered "religious" or "spiritual" take their own money, and their own time and feed the homeless. I also need you to explain why these individuals take their own money, put gas in their own car, drive 120 miles away from their home and speak to battered women and children in juvenile facilities.

So far, you have shown that you lack common sense, have a deep rooted hatred for "religion" (specificially the bible and christianity) and rely on generalizations because you don't have sufficient info. Son, just stop while you are ahead. You come on here, type madness that no one can understand (except for yourself), and avoid every single question that is derived from your own words. If I had a penny for everytime some "johnny come lately" came on here and was utterly cremated, I'd be like Bill Gates...only I'd be black, years younger and more handsome.

we don't need religion to explain the surrounding world, we have science for that

Yet science can't give a 100% factual answer that BOTH sides have been trying to give since recorded history. "How did the universe start?"

do we need religion then?

See above son.

 

[JLMACN]

Yet science can't give a 100% factual answer that BOTH sides have been trying to give since recorded history. "How did the universe start?"

The longer we go on in time...
the more science will figure out..

5000

 

[I AM]

you don't need the bible to follow theses morals

neither you need any religion

the only thing religion can bring is hate and war (and it has given the world plenty of both)

we don't need religion to explain the surrounding world, we have science for that

do we need religion then?

certain people need it, and if they need it, let them use it. if they're too weak minded to deal with reality as it is, let them do whatever they want to make themsevles happy as long as they're not out killing, and raping and shit.

it's not religion that is fucked up, it's THE PEOPLE WHO FOLLOW THE RELIGION.

You can say all day that you are a Christian. But when you go and kill someone, that proves you're full of shit.

There are MILLIONS of people that CLAIM to be Christian, Catholic, etc but NEVER practice in their own homes (church is a waste of time), they don't even read their fucking bible/book, and they don't even follow the basic guidelines in the book.

I am more Christian (because I don't kill, rape, steal, etc and I'm a respectful person when I feel I should be) than probably 60% of people that CLAIM they are Christian.

I'm NOT Christian, I don't follow any denomination and I'm pretty much anti-organized religion. However, there are some good ideas in the Bible...the rest of the message is just cluttered with bullshit for people to get caught up in...

Like worshiping the image of god or Jesus...that shit is BLASPHEMY. None of these fucking religious people have ANY fucking idea what they are doing...WHY? They don't READ their fucking book. They listen to some OTHER FUCKING IDIOT that TELLS them what to believe (pastor, priest, etc).

 

[JLMACN]

^^^ i agree with him!!


5000

 

[ThaG]

One of the dumbest things posted on the siccness in 2007. If the ONLY thing religion can bring is hate and war, I need you to explain why certain people who are considered "religious" or "spiritual" take their own money, and their own time and feed the homeless. I also need you to explain why these individuals take their own money, put gas in their own car, drive 120 miles away from their home and speak to battered women and children in juvenile facilities.

First answer the question why is that there are homeless people and battered women and children in juvenile facilities. The answer is in world history and religion IS one of the things to be blamed for that

So far, you have shown that you lack common sense, have a deep rooted hatred for "religion" (specificially the bible and christianity) and rely on generalizations because you don't have sufficient info

Again, you don't know me, so don't qualify me as having insufficient info.

If I hate religion, there is a reason and it is because I hate lies and religion is the BIGGEST LIE EVER.

A typical case that I recently read about:

a San Diego newspaper comes with a report on new theories about the big Bang and the beginning of the universe and a reader's comment is something like this: "These stupid scientists must stop messign with what is only God's work"

Well, this type of mentality - just accepting what the religion tells you without any questioning, even things that have been proven to be wrong and things that contradict the common sense is what pisses me off

It's not just because I'm a scientists, it's because people like the aforementioned person and many like him are BLOCKING THE PROGRES OF HUMANITY. OK, let's shut up, be happy and stop trying to understand the laws of nature, just because we already have an explanation in the Bible; it doesn't matter that the explanation in the Bible doesn't match the observations

Of course it's much easier to believe im God, Allah, or whatever else you believe in than to deal with abstract math or protein signaling networks

Yet science can't give a 100% factual answer that BOTH sides have been trying to give since recorded history. "How did the universe start?"

Science can't give a 100% answer now, research is an ongoing process and these answers will be found some day. You must be have very little common sense to deny the progress of science towards our better understanding of the world during the last 350 years