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Gringo Starr said:
THATS ALONG THE SAME LINES AS SAYIN YOU DONT LIKE BLACK PEOPLE CUS YOU GOT ROBBED BY ONE WHEN YOU WERE 12...IT MAY FUCK YOU UP....BUT ITS CONFUSION AS OPPOSED TO BEIN BIOLOGICALLY AND LEGITAMINTLLY GAY...THATS MY POINT...

BUT 2-0-SIXX PINNED IT RIGHT...YOU FONT LIKE GAY MEN...BUT GAY WOMEN ARE OK IN YOUR BOOK...YOU FIGURE IT OUT...
if you wanna use that as an example whatva, but what im telling you is that the a past experience can lead someone to being gay, thats all i was sayin, whateva way you slice it...anyone who doesnt believe that is naive, if you agree then leave it alone..i already said why i didnt like gay men..this is from my perspective as a man and father so you figure it out
 
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^^Actually comrade, people with gay parents have the same incidence of homosexuality as the general population, about 10%. No research has ever shown that gay parents have any affect on the sexuality of their children.

The only thing the research has shown is that these kids grow up to be more “open-minded” and accepting of all types of people.
 
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Home-E said:
http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn3008
http://www.narth.com/docs/biological.html
http://www.narth.com/docs/bioresearch.html
http://www.utexas.edu/courses/bio30...s/Gay/Text.html

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none of this information proves being gay is biological. Terms like "evidence suggests" and "possible link" and research done on "gay" sheep does not prove anything. There is no concrete evidence that supports being gay is biological. imo, i think gay people and supporters are funding research like this so that they won't be persecuted anymore, because then they would be able to say without a doubt its not their fault. Im christian and I think its wrong period. But i don't hate them, just their lifestyle which i believe is wrong.

Exactly...

Like I said before, until somebody offers PROOF that scientists know for SURE it's bioligical, you can't tell me shit about it being biological. So everybody shouting "ignorant ignorant, don't you know it's B I O L O G I C A L" You can miss me wit that shiet, cuz there aint no proof to say it is biological. As far as I'm concerned, gays become gays, or they're born that way by a DEFECT. Just like some folks are predisposed to being murderers because of their temporal lobes, some people may be predisposed to be gay, but it's still unnatural.

I agree, gay folks aint got no business raising kids. I might be ignorant on homosexuality, but so are all of y'all cuz nobody understands it. That's why kids should not be made to grow up in a gay household. Should gays get married? I'm against it, but legally I think they should be allowed to do that. However, they should NEVER be allowed to raise kids. That's just wrong.
 
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2-0-Sixx said:
^^Actually comrade, people with gay parents have the same incidence of homosexuality as the general population, about 10%. No research has ever shown that gay parents have any affect on the sexuality of their children.

The only thing the research has shown is that these kids grow up to be more “open-minded” and accepting of all types of people.
Can you offer proof of these studies? MULTIPLE studies at that? Not just one study or a couple studies. Also, what about other personality defects?
 
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2-0-Sixx said:
I'm leaving work in 2 minutes, but there have been tons of studies bro. Check Google
Ok, I found some information that back up your claim that the children of gay parents are more "open minded", but it also backs up Contagious Locc's, and contradicts yours, that they're MORE likely to become gay.
http://www.narth.com/docs/does.html

The new study by two University of Southern California sociologists says children with lesbian or gay parents show more empathy for social diversity, are less confined by gender stereotypes, and are probably more likely to explore homosexual activity themselves....

One study examined by the researchers indicated that a significantly greater proportion of young adult children raised by lesbians had engaged in a same-sex relationship (six of 25 interviewed) than those raised by a heterosexual mother (none of 20 interviewed)....

Teen-age and young adult girls raised by lesbian mothers appear to be more sexually adventurous and less chaste than girls raised by heterosexual mothers...


So, according to this article, there aren't enough studies to conclude whether or not gay parenting is healthy or not; it's still inconclusive. Also, what they did find, is that the children of gay couples are moree likely to become gay, and their daughters are more likely to become sluts. Also, their sons are more likely to be less masculine than most boys.

The fact that the children of gay parents tend to become gay at a larger rate than the kids of straight parents brings up the question of "is homosexuality biological?" Nonetheless, the data is still inconclusive, sufficient tests have not been carried out, and your claims that children of gay marriages turn out as normal as children of straight marriages holds little, to no, weight.
 
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Jae iLL said:
Ok, I found some information that back up your claim that the children of gay parents are more "open minded", but it also backs up Contagious Locc's, and contradicts yours, that they're MORE likely to become gay.
http://www.narth.com/docs/does.html

The new study by two University of Southern California sociologists says children with lesbian or gay parents show more empathy for social diversity, are less confined by gender stereotypes, and are probably more likely to explore homosexual activity themselves....


First, I'd like to point out that before your Bold sentence, the first word prior is probably.

Second, in the very same article it states that this research was conducted by TWO people.

Third, it also states that prior to this study, 20 years of prior research concluded that there was no difference.

So, according to this article, there aren't enough studies to conclude whether or not gay parenting is healthy or not; it's still inconclusive.
IMO, 20 years of research is a pretty damn significant amount of research.

Also, what they did find, is that the children of gay couples are moree likely to become gay, and their daughters are more likely to become sluts. Also, their sons are more likely to be less masculine than most boys.
I'd like to see the numbers of how many families this was based on.

In the article it states:
"Indeed, what she found makes sense -- lesbian mothers tend to have a feminizing effect on their sons, and a masculinizing effect on their daughters."

The exact same can be said about single moms raising boys and single fathers raising girls.

The fact that the children of gay parents tend to become gay at a larger rate than the kids of straight parents brings up the question of "is homosexuality biological?"
I assume you're making these conclusions based upon the article you provided, which btw in the article it states "(six of 25 interviewed)." That’s a whopping 25 total families.

Nonetheless, the data is still inconclusive
But yet you came to the conclusion that children of gay parents tend to become gay at a larger rate??

sufficient tests have not been carried out, and your claims that children of gay marriages turn out as normal as children of straight marriages holds little, to no, weight.
Again, you're making conclusions on one article, one study, led by two people. I on the other hand am making my conclusions of 20+ years of research.

With all this put aside, the only issue I do have is how the children would be and are treated by other children. That, IMO, is probably the hardest part for a child. But, this of course is a fault with society, not with the parents.
 
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Joe DiMaggio said:
Idiotic. People chose to convert to christianity in the middle ages and be fed to lions. Were they "born christian" ?

Think before you ever speak again.
Arrogant lil fuck shut the hell up. Believing in a religion (a set of beliefs, values and practices) is completely different from being physically attracted to a person of the same gender. Dude said that they're gay by choice. My point was that I don't see why they would 'choose to be gay' when all they'd get out if it was negative reprocussions (and I don't see how any guy could chose to like another guy- just not possible from how i see it).

How the fuck does chosing to convert to christianity relate to being gay? My whole point was that being gay is not a choice and that it's something you're born with (or molested, or whatever makes you gay) obviously religion is not biological... People that die for religion usually do so because they believe in the end they'll be rewarded some how (heaven, etc), and that their way of life is the correct one. Homosexuals are gay because that's WHAT they are.

Dumb ass bitch.
 
Apr 27, 2005
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Senchent said:
Arrogant lil fuck shut the hell up. Believing in a religion (a set of beliefs, values and practices) is completely different from being physically attracted to a person of the same gender. Dude said that they're gay by choice. My point was that I don't see why they would 'choose to be gay' when all they'd get out if it was negative reprocussions (and I don't see how any guy could chose to like another guy- just not possible from how i see it).

How the fuck does chosing to convert to christianity relate to being gay? My whole point was that being gay is not a choice and that it's something you're born with (or molested, or whatever makes you gay) obviously religion is not biological... People that die for religion usually do so because they believe in the end they'll be rewarded some how (heaven, etc), and that their way of life is the correct one. Homosexuals are gay because that's WHAT they are.

Dumb ass bitch.
LOL, what he said is an analogy, and it was a good one at that
 
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Gringo Starr said:
THATS ALONG THE SAME LINES AS SAYIN YOU DONT LIKE BLACK PEOPLE CUS YOU GOT ROBBED BY ONE WHEN YOU WERE 12...IT MAY FUCK YOU UP....BUT ITS CONFUSION AS OPPOSED TO BEIN BIOLOGICALLY AND LEGITAMINTLLY GAY...THATS MY POINT...
Its actually really different. A young child's brain in its formative years will learn to accept and, a lot of times, learn pleasure from the feelings and compulsions of repeated sexual abuse. I don't think its just confusion at that point.
 
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2-0-Sixx said:
First, I'd like to point out that before your Bold sentence, the first word prior is probably.
Right, and the probably exists in every other study that says "they're probably normal". So like I said, it's inconclusive, and therefore my opinion stands.
2-0-Sixx said:
Second, in the very same article it states that this research was conducted by TWO people.

Third, it also states that prior to this study, 20 years of prior research concluded that there was no difference.
20 Years of prior reserach which was done for COURTS by psychologists determining CUSTODY suits. No RANDOM SAMPLING or anything of that nature.


2-0-Sixx said:
IMO, 20 years of research is a pretty damn significant amount of research.
Not when there's never been a random sample aimed at the MAJORITY of children raised in gay homes. How many studies have been conducted abroad?


2-0-Sixx said:
I'd like to see the numbers of how many families this was based on.

In the article it states:
"Indeed, what she found makes sense -- lesbian mothers tend to have a feminizing effect on their sons, and a masculinizing effect on their daughters."

The exact same can be said about single moms raising boys and single fathers raising girls.
And I think, as most people do, that it's unfortunate when children are brought up in single family households.


2-0-Sixx said:
I assume you're making these conclusions based upon the article you provided, which btw in the article it states "(six of 25 interviewed)." That’s a whopping 25 total families.
Actually no, in MOST studies conducted since the 80s this holds to be true.


2-0-Sixx said:
But yet you came to the conclusion that children of gay parents tend to become gay at a larger rate??
According to the ONLY studies that have been conducted thus far, this pattern tends to hold true. However, like I said before there have been no random samples, most of these studies were conducted by psychologists for custody suits.


2-0-Sixx said:
Again, you're making conclusions on one article, one study, led by two people. I on the other hand am making my conclusions of 20+ years of research.
I am also making conclusion on 20+ years of research. The conclusion is that there IS NO Conclusion. Nobody knows if it IS healthy or not. There have been some consistencies, which I pointed out, however no scientific research has really been conducted.

2-0-Sixx said:
With all this put aside, the only issue I do have is how the children would be and are treated by other children. That, IMO, is probably the hardest part for a child. But, this of course is a fault with society, not with the parents.
I also agree with that, but why put children in that position? It's one thing if the parent came out of the closet after having a child, but adopting???? That's not fair to the child who cannot convey their wishes as an infant.

Once again, all research you can come up with is still inconclusive and therefore, my opinion does not change.

@ Viet Loc - My personal opinion is that homosexuality is nasty; a perversion. For people who say it's biological, I say so are the traits that make a serial killer... If someone you loved was a killer would you still love them? Sure you would, but you'd hate what they did. That's how I feel, it's a nasty perversion, and perhaps a mental illness. I don't know, but neither do scientists or anybody else for that matter.
 
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Jae iLL said:
Right, and the probably exists in every other study that says "they're probably normal". So like I said, it's inconclusive, and therefore my opinion stands.


20 Years of prior reserach which was done for COURTS by psychologists determining CUSTODY suits. No RANDOM SAMPLING or anything of that nature.
Um, no comrade. (Where the hell did you get this idea from?!?). There has been tons of studies comrade, by universities, psychologists, etc.

Not when there's never been a random sample aimed at the MAJORITY of children raised in gay homes. How many studies have been conducted abroad?
Again, where the hell did you get this idea from?!?

And I think, as most people do, that it's unfortunate when children are brought up in single family households.
So should we make that illegal?

On a side note, I'd much rather have two loving gay parents than a single drunken mom or an abusive father, which I'm sure there are tens of millions in Amerika.

Point is, we don’t outlaw bad parents or single parents, which obviously has a huge effect on the child. But at the same time, it's wrong for two good, loving parents to raise a child simply because of their sexual preference?

Shit, I was raised by a single father and you know comrade, at times it was very hard when I was young, but that’s life. We grow, we learn and we deal with it.

Actually no, in MOST studies conducted since the 80s this holds to be true.
Ok, now you're just pulling shit out of your ass. Please provide sources for this claim.

According to the ONLY studies that have been conducted thus far, this pattern tends to hold true. However, like I said before there have been no random samples, most of these studies were conducted by psychologists for custody suits.
Again, where the hell did you get this idea? Seriously bro, I think you’re misinformed; there have been dozens upon dozens of studies.

I am also making conclusion on 20+ years of research. The conclusion is that there IS NO Conclusion.
So, wait a second comrade. Don’t you see what you're doing? You just stated that after 20 years there was no conclusion, but above you clearly state that there is a conclusion. How can that be comrade? Please, explain to me how on one hand there are no conclusions, but yet on the other hand you're making conclusions based on the research that supposedly has no conclusions!!

Nobody knows if it IS healthy or not. There have been some consistencies, which I pointed out, however no scientific research has really been conducted.
See above.

I also agree with that, but why put children in that position?
I'm sure it’s difficult for a black child who is adopted by a white family, but that doesn’t make it wrong nor does it mean the child cannot live a full and happy life.

Once again, all research you can come up with is still inconclusive and therefore, my opinion does not change.
@ Viet Loc - My personal opinion is that homosexuality is nasty; a perversion.
See, this is exactly what I said to Locc. You simply think its "nasty", its "gross", you are disgusted by it. In other words, you're simply reacting to the "Gross Factor." I'm sure you've looked at lesbian porn many times in you're life and I bet you've even been turned on by it. Why is that? Isn’t that gay? Could it be comrade that it’s because you're attracted to women? See what I’m saying, you're against homosexuality simply because you're not attracted to men and you think it's gross, but deep inside, you don’t really have an issue with gay lesbians because two hot chicks going at it isn’t gross or “nasty”, now is it?

Well you know what comrade, two men kissing or whatever is gross to me too. But so are two fat heterosexual people kissing. Or two heterosexuals who engage in S&M or blood sucking or other kinky sexual fetishes, or heterosexuals that are just plain ugly. But what these people do in the bedroom in the privacy of their own homes does not concern me; it's none of my business nor is it any of yours.



For people who say it's biological, I say so are the traits that make a serial killer... If someone you loved was a killer would you still love them? Sure you would, but you'd hate what they did. That's how I feel, it's a nasty perversion, and perhaps a mental illness. I don't know, but neither do scientists or anybody else for that matter.
Dude, comparing being gay to a serial killer is just fucking retarted. If you found out your dad was gay, it is not the same as finding out your dad killed a dozen people. Stupid comment. If your dad was gay, sure, you may not understand him being with another man, but what if your dad hooked up with some fat blob of a women? Probably wouldn’t like that either, would you? But you know what, it doesn’t matter what you think or what you approve of, it's his life, not yours, and you should always remember that. What you may not like, other people do. The world doesn’t revolve around you and your opinions.
 
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I have a few gay friends, and one of them actually was ostracized from his family because it got out. He was raised in an American Hindi household. His parents came from India when they were really young, but they're still kind of old fashioned. My friend is the most awesome, loyal buddy you could ever have and he knew from a young age that he wasn't into girls. He didn't "decide". He just didn't feel an attraction. He didn't want to lose his family, but he wasn't attracted to women at all. So his own brother ratted on him to his father and my friend got kicked out of his house at 17. He didn't choose any of that. He was wired that way.

And yes, I have heard that they link DNA to serial killers. Like, something about a certain chromosome pair. And in certain environments, these people are "more prone" to acts of violence. Like a violent gene? And they had that study while back about how you can tell if a man is an angry guy by the length of his ringfinger compared to his middle finger.

There's biological traits that you can attach to anything really. But there's a big difference between a serial killer and being gay. Huge difference. No comparrison at all.

I notice the majority of the fear of gays is that a man is afraid he'll be mistaken for gay, or that a gay man will try to hit on him. Most of the guys that are so afraid of this don't even have females hit on them, so they shouldn't worry about a gay man.
 
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MeloTrauma said:
Its actually really different. A young child's brain in its formative years will learn to accept and, a lot of times, learn pleasure from the feelings and compulsions of repeated sexual abuse. I don't think its just confusion at that point.
Thats what i was trynna get at...the brain is a tricky thing...
 
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Jae iLL said:
Exactly...

Like I said before, until somebody offers PROOF that scientists know for SURE it's bioligical, you can't tell me shit about it being biological. So everybody shouting "ignorant ignorant, don't you know it's B I O L O G I C A L" You can miss me wit that shiet, cuz there aint no proof to say it is biological. As far as I'm concerned, gays become gays, or they're born that way by a DEFECT. Just like some folks are predisposed to being murderers because of their temporal lobes, some people may be predisposed to be gay, but it's still unnatural.

DAWG, from what u just said...ur saying its biological.....

"some people maybe be predisposed to be gay".... "gay becomes gay"

OBVIOUSLY that means they r born with it...

just cuz u believe there is no proof doesnt mean its not true....ive heard MANY testimonies over my academic time to lead me to belive they r born that way....ive KNOWN people who you could tell growing up that they were going to be gay....

one reason people do not want to accept that is cuz then society would be more obligated to accept homosexuals.....if they r born that way then it would be discimination...also with a lot of white christians in power homosexuality is portrayed as pretty much evil

i could go on and on but i dont really want to....for the most part i could care less about gay people...as long as they mind their business, i mind mine....more women for me...

@ the person who said "we dont ride around with STRAIGHT PRIDE"

man, ur a RETARD......straight up....they do it cuz they r a MINORITY....naimean???....they r considered "different" by societys standards....so they just expressing themselves cuz they r hated on....

like do u think peopl,e in mexico ride around with mexican flags in shiut around their cars??? NO.....but in America where they r a minority they do to express a point...