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antilabs

antilabs

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imho if someone's music and career in general is gassing on your's in general, your negative opinion of it should be taken with a grain of salt.

like people don't do that in other jobs. you don't hear a emt talking shit on a successful ass world-reknown neurosurgeon. or like a person who likes to take walks at the park talking shit on someone climbing mt everest.
 
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antilabs said:
imho if someone's music and career in general is gassing on your's in general, your negative opinion of it should be taken with a grain of salt.

like people don't do that in other jobs. you don't hear a emt talking shit on a successful ass world-reknown neurosurgeon. or like a person who likes to take walks at the park talking shit on someone climbing mt everest.
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^^^ THIS
 
Gemini

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antilabs said:
imho if someone's music and career in general is gassing on your's in general, your negative opinion of it should be taken with a grain of salt.

like people don't do that in other jobs. you don't hear a emt talking shit on a successful ass world-reknown neurosurgeon. or like a person who likes to take walks at the park talking shit on someone climbing mt everest.
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Oh, you mean like broke unknown rappers and their handful of fans who hate on the mainstream real known rappers for the stupidest things? And try to find anything to dislike the song getting rotation play on the radio? Then try & say fuck the radio, but really wish the radio would play their garbage instead? LMAO! :cheeky:
 
wheregoliathat

wheregoliathat

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I agree with AntiLabs in theory,

but the difference is the subjectivity of one's taste as it relates to rap, or any other mass consumer good.

A surgeon's results are measured in successful surgeries and people not dieing on the table. A climbers success for the most part is measured in reaching the summit of said chosen endeavor. These are very quantifiable results the consumer/ critic can't argue with.

Now if I say fuck Tide that shit stinks, Downey is hella better. This should not imply I can make laundry detergent better than either company but simply that my tastes lead me towards one but both will clean my clothes.

Drake's market share compared to everyone's favorite "trap rapper" is undeniable, dudes dominatin. But it's just that, a market share. Not every rap consumer likes his shit, he doesn't monopolize the rap game in that every fan did not buy his album and here are his detractors.


I haven't liked Drake but dude spits and I think the MOtto video is hella ill and his verse is clean too.
 
antilabs

antilabs

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the difficulty and necessity of a number of talents, not just rapping, required for making it to the top of the entertainment industry, or even one's given genre isn't subjective.

when you're an amateur laundry detergent maker talking shit on tide when your shit doesn't even get clothes clean or make them smell good, your opinion should be taken with a grain of salt.
 
wheregoliathat

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antilabs said:
the difficulty and necessity of a number of talents, not just rapping, required for making it to the top of the entertainment industry, or even one's given genre isn't subjective.

when you're an amateur laundry detergent maker talking shit on tide when your shit doesn't even get clothes clean or make them smell good, your opinion should be taken with a grain of salt.
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Are were arguing about Drake's business acumen or his musical appeal to rap fans?


Also I don't look at anybody talkin shit on here as amateur rappers. On this site (with a very few exceptions) you have consumers of rap industry final product (albums and shows) and then you have consumers of a wider array of rap industry goods or services (purchasers of beat making equipment, loops, software, hooks, maybe even verses) but they are still consumers. Phreakey would fall in with the latter group, and I would fall in with the former. Our opinions of Drake's rap are based on our taste, and consumer taste is what drives capitalism and the supply and demand continuum.


I'm just bustin tho, it was my 2011 New Years resolution to use this Economics degree for somethin and I was running out of time lol
 
antilabs

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it's more difficult to attain and service mass & critical appeal (drake has both) than it is to rhyme polysyllabically. that point seems lost on a lot of people.

imho a true rap fan should respect at least that much, and i don't even fuck w/drake. your point is predicated on the ideal that success in rap is solely a product of intangibles and subjective characteristics relative to audience response, and that success in humanities can't be compared to accomplishment in less objective arenas. my point is that the sheer objective difficulty of the attainment of accomplishment in the entertainment industry is bait for a lot of people to show their lack of understanding of the consumer mindset and the real world (and often the misguided frustration bundled with it), which means their opinion should be taken with a grain of salt.
 
wheregoliathat

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Ma dude Labs don't play.

Since everyone on here moves for the money and this cat Drake is cheddared up like a box of Cheez-It's, he's got a lot more figured out about this shit then any of us.

The feedback consumers give any company, corporation or business should be coveted and shape the way they bring their product to the marketplace. The caveat here is that you cannot please everyone, and by trying to do so you lose out on your network of core customers down to occasional users as you focus attention on the market share your attempting to infiltrate. Especially if pursuing these consumers takes resources and the chances of profit are small (example: "fuck Drake he's Canadian/ Jewish" or "fuck Drake he can't rap")

Them dudes never gonna fuck with Drake (point proven here in the Bay after this Motto video fallout) and Drake shouldn't even listen to these super jealous types, they will only bring you down
 
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i havent said anything about drakes music. i just feel like they was perpetrating and i dont respect that. a lot of artists are guilty of this and i dont respect that. you know you got artists that will jump on the bandwagon and do anything for a buck and you got artists that dont. i respect artists that dont jump on the bandwagon. a good example is richie rich. he told me e40 and too short was tryna get him on that hyphy shit and he wasnt fucking with it. i respect people like him. idk what you guys have experienced in the music business but let me tell you................ its a bunch of bullshit. thats all i can really say about that without saying too much and having quite a few people really butt hurt right now. lol.
 
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i don't know how people expect to get far in music (or any business endeavor) with negative outlooks. phreakey, give it up. you have no excuse. independent is gradually becoming the norm in the grand scheme of things in music, you have as equal of an opportunity as anyone else. no conspiracy theory needed.
 
Rasan

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How does a 2pac and biggie remix have anything to do with the motto? Please explain that to me.
Drake didn't have to shoot the video in the bay, invite fellow bay area rappers, etc. He did it out of love and respect. Stop making it bigger than what it is. If you in this rap game, u would hope to be on the level he is at, regardless if u feel his music or not.
 
wheregoliathat

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Heyo Labs that was a pretty ill video.

I'm not up on TKO but I respect the way he views this as a business. He studies the market place and tries to evolve with the tastes of the people man, he ain't on all the sentimental "Fuck this new shit, I hate the industry now" bullshit. That dude is businessman in this shit fasho.

If your solely a casual rap fan/ consumer you have the ability to be stubborn and solely listen to shit from an era or area you like. You will always be able to find more music you ain't heard from that era. Like my old man dude like Motown and listens to shit that ain't been made for 20+ years and he's cool with that.

If your a avid fan than you should be able to repect and rock with the evolution of this shit.

If rap is your business you gotta look at it in a way similar to how TKO outlined game in that vid. You gotta supply the demand. Imagine if Nintendo was like, "I hate the game industry now that shits on disc's, mothafuck this we rockin with these cassette til we go outta business". You woulda never heard of Nintendo after like 2001. Instead them dudes took a step back and revolutionized the gaming world with games on discs that cats can move around to and shit in their living room.


Businesses progress and evolve and businessman have to do the same if they want to make it big. If you wanna eeek out a living you can do that shit too tho but you should respect people that perservere and dominate their industry.
 
antilabs

antilabs

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the reason why to me, building out your image and making music to appeal to a wider fan base isn't an integrity issue, because music isn't the most important thing in the world. integrity comes into play when there's a possibility of malevolence, a dr. doing something unethical, for instance. or a politician taking a bribe.

a rapper making music so that more people will like his output and image isn't an integrity issue because music isn't important. the CEO of kraft foods isn't eating mac and cheese every night lol, that boy eating foie gras with grass fed organic vegetables. does that inherently make him unethical because he produces a product he himself doesn't consume? entertainment is a lowest denominator in art. the art is entertaining people, and occasionally it has glimmers of beauty. rap is an entertainment artform, so why talk out on someone that does it well?

all this hip hop is dead shit comes from taking rap too seriously.
 
wheregoliathat

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No shit huh.

Most business people have entertainment interests that greatly diverge from the field in which they make their bread.

This fool Larry Ellison ain't calibrating server capabilities on Saturdays does that mean he's fuckin sellout? Dudes sailin boats and swimmin in a Scrooge McDuck vault of money and talkin basketball.
 
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